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Tannehill Running

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan7171, Nov 20, 2015.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    coordinator doesnt move pocket..qb doesnt run, qb is most sacked qb in league over a 3 1/2 year period...I think we all have enough sense to disregard your singular example of last year..there's more concern as to what they and he are doing staying status quo, seems weird that you are at least not acknowledging that point..my goodness you are locked in.
     
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  2. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Some people Knock Wilson because Seattle has him move so much but ... That's probably what Tanny needs
     
  3. normaldude

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    If Tannehill was regularly posting a 100+ passer rating every season, then I would agree with you.

    But it's become apparent that Tannehill will never be an elite pocket passer.

    Tannehill is more like Russell Wilson. They both have pocket limitations (Tannehill's pocket disadvantage is his weak pocket presence, and Russell Wilson's pocket disadvantage is his height). And both are good disciplined runners, who will slide, go out of bounds, avoid the big hit, without trying to be a hero.

    As I noted on the 2nd page of this thread, ALL of the crushing hits that Tannehill has taken have been in the pocket or when flushed from the pocket. Tannehill has never taken a crushing hit on a read-option run or designed rollout. For QBs like Tannehill & Wilson, it makes sense to give them plenty of designed runs.

    If we lock Tannehill in the pocket, he might have a longer healthier career. But that's like playing scared, playing not to lose. We could just be locking ourselves into 10 more mediocre years of 8-8 seasons.

    At this point, we need to go all-in on maximizing Tannehill's offensive firepower, work with his strengths & weaknesses, recognize that he's not a Brady/Manning/Marino elite pocket passer, and use his 4.5 speed & WR skills on read-option runs and designed rollouts. Essentially step on the gas, and see what happens. Maybe it works, and he takes us to multiple Super Bowls like Russell Wilson. Maybe he gets injured, falls apart, and we go back to the draft.

    Besides, if your 4.5 speed QB has weak pocket presence, and your o-line provides weak pocket protection, the last thing you should do is lock him in the pocket. Let him use his legs, and get him away from the weakest part of the offense.
     
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  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you stated he avoids hits. tannehill is a straight line runner. i gave you an example of one play where got blown up on a play
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    he's a strait line runner that has a quick jab step to avoid full impact, your iso play does not disprove that...his countless crushing hits in the pocket prove you may be wrong, and that maybe you should reconsider how you would use the skill set, especially considering the variables around him involved, won loss record, offensive production, no playoff appearances, and that he's the most sacked qb over four year period..sometimes you gotta say WTF and do everything possible to win a game..like 2maro.
     
  6. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Only stoopid people.
     
  7. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    honestly i couldnt care if we win another game or not this year (other than i kinda like campbell and am leaning on wanting to retain him). we dont have the personnell to make a run at the super bowl. until we do i want tannehill in the pocket. if its late in the game and we have a chance to win the game, then let him run. otherwise keep him in the pocket. force him to keep getting quicker with his reads. it will all pay off if we can finally build a team worthy of a super bowl run. once we have that team, then tanny can run on every play for all i care. thats when you risk your QBs health. when you're playing for something. right now we're just playing for pride. keep him in the pocket and let him evolve from good pocket passer to great pocket passer. if it sets our team back in the short term so what. the long term advantages far outweigh the short term gains
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can respect that point, but if we win we retain the coach, determine momentum for next year, gain valuable experience, if we lose a lot of our remaining games, all things can fall apart ya know..Im not sure how to contextualize your pov.
     
  9. cbrad

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    Tannehill doesn't seem to have the football smarts to know when to run.. yet. I don't think he can just turn that "on" in the future. He should be getting experience leading an offense and not be shackled as a pocket passer until someday somehow we have a better team around him (which btw isn't that easy to do). Best to try and make the QB better in these remaining games by forcing him to learn IMO.
     
  10. adamprez2003

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    yeah thats the catch 22. i kind of like campbell and want him to retain his job so i dont want to just tank the games but looking at our linebackers, secondary and offensive line i feel every week we go into the game at a disadvantage to the other team's personnell. matchupwise we should have lost to the eagles but by sheer grit and determination we pulled off a win. its why i'm ok with letting him run in the 4th. show me that him running will count for something other than meaningless yards. show me that you can play with this team and that his running will be the difference maker

    sometimes you learn alot about yourselves when the chips are down. parcells pulled phil simms and stuck in hostetler during a regular season game once just to see how his team would function with the backup qb in the game. i think belichik does that sometmes too. he'll pick games when he plays to his weaknesses just to get his guys better at those weaknesses. pays off during the playoffs. obviously you have to be better than us to be able to risk regular season losses like that but there is something to be said for maintaining the course and not panicking even if its taking a weapon away from your arsenal
     
  11. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    we are literally two offensive linemen away from having a decent line and if they happen to be good a good offensive line though i would take average at this point. i mean honestly, a GM that cant find two average offensive linemen in one offseason using free agency, the waiver wire and the draft should be fired immediately
     
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  12. cbrad

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    That's just the line. What about all the other holes we have? I mean.. you were talking about the personnel needed to make a SB run (playoffs is fine for me).

    Either way, I think just as the coaches forced Tannehill early in his career to stay in the pocket and become a better pocket passer, they should use the remaining games to force him to audible and learn how to be the general out there. I'd really like to know how well he can learn to do that.
     
  13. adamprez2003

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    i dont know if you can do that in the regular season if you mean audibling using the entire playbook. i cant think of any QB who ever started audibling in the middle of the season. Usually its an offseason decision and you prepare the QB to audible and you prepare the other players too. i mean you need a whole language set up. you cant just call out the plays on the line. do they have a terminology set up for audibles? not that it would take too long but how quickly can you install an audibling component to an offense and have all the players learn it?one week? one month?

    i definitely want him to start next season and i would be cool if they started this season but i think thats going to have to wait till the offseason
     
  14. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I think the bigger issue is why they're not letting him call any audibles. Time to take the training wheels off guys. But, yeah...if the play breaks down and the pressure is there, tuck it and run Tanny.

    And Lazor needs to call some more roll outs and read option plays.
     
  15. cbrad

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    Doesn't have to be all at once. As you said, they don't have the entire offseason to practice it. But Tannehill needs to practice, and really .. what better time to do than during actual NFL games that don't matter that much (unless we suddenly make a highly unlikely run for the playoffs.. but then one could say it was partly DUE to the increased responsibilities put on the QB).
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    I just think its best to do whatever it takes to win this game, and to me thats moving, running and ryan running early and often..dictate, set tone, show early looks like this to the defense for residual gain later..its a must win..
     
  17. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    If they're camping the short stuff (which they will be) and have a spy on RT (teams have been doing that this year), then no way do I want him running...unless he can push that middle back a bit with some vertical.

    In a perfect world, your run game would open up stuff for the passing game...but our team seems to like to try to do the opposite. If we can get their LBs and safeties a little deeper than right on the line's ***, sure...get some runs in.
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ugh, you dont get it.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    well, he got one more carry than his normal average..nothing unscripted though..1 scripted roll out..

    poopoo
     
  20. Sceeto

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    This is what I want to see.

    I've mentioned before that I would like to see Ryan have the dimension to his game, I just don't think the scripted runs is where he will ever excel. I've given up on that one. However, it's the non-scripted runs where I would want to see more and where I do think he can excel. I mean, for years, you've seen QBs drop back to pass and there's nothing open and they run usually into a wide open field for at least a first down. I was always thinking why don't QBs do that more. Not scripted, but always have that option and encourage it if things breakdown or you just see that wide open field. Coaching could help there. We're seeing it more these days with all the QBs being more mobile, but this is where Lazor needs to encourage him to do so, however that would take him reading the field better and faster, but I think it's possible.
     
  21. muskrat21

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    it's the offense system not tannehill... sherman's system let tannehill call audibles and that is when tannehill was excellent vs the blitz. lazor has the opposite problem as sherman. he gets way too cute and calls ridiculous plays. sherman was too boring and called to predictable plays and was un creative. both of them abandoned the run all the time.
     
  22. Phins Up Wins Up

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    The only place he is running is out of Miami after next season. Hopefully to the Jets.
     
  23. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    That would be a dream come true. I'd love for the Phins to play tannehilll twice a year.
     
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  24. LI phinfan

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    I guess you don't watch our defense much.... QB's a lot worse than RT over the last few years have killed us


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  25. miamiron

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    This year Tannehill has run for 2 first downs
    last year he ran for 18...OUCH
     
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  26. Shane Falco

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    Tannehill would light up our secondary lol
     
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  27. jdang307

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    Nonsense. I was reading a Tannehill article a couple weeks ago and a miami fan was shi**ing on RT. Then Jets' fans chimed in and said it is so hard to find a serviceable QB that Dolphins fans should count their blessings and the Jets would take Ryan in a heartbeat.
     
  28. Rocky Raccoon

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    I'd like to know why he's not running more. He had a lot of success last year doing so.

    I'd also like to know why we don't use the out route to the sidelines that was his bread and butter the first three years. He's so good on that route and we don't run it anymore.
     
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