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Suh holds team meeting

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phins_Fan_87, Nov 23, 2015.

  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Better than folding for 4 quarters which this offense has done way too often this season.
     
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  2. Shane Falco

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    Interesting.

    Except how do you explain in the Denver, GB and Detroit games last year, the offense provided the defense with the lead in the 4th quarter, and the defense gave it away? Can't blame the offense for those losses, they were on the sideline with the lead.
     
  3. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Im guessing you didn't watch that Detroit game, our defense played MUCH better than our offense...Yes they blew a game last year vs Peyton Manning and to a lesser extent Aaron Rodgers (we had ball with a chance to clinch it)

    So not sure how two late scores by two of the best 5 QB's ever is supposed to be an indictment.
     
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  4. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Wow. The offense scored a whopping 16pts agains the Lions. The Packers game you're kidding yourself if you thought you could count on the defense to stop one of the league's most lethal offenses in the 2min drill when they couldn't stop them all game long. We needed the offense to ice the game but they couldn't. Typically that's been the case the last 3-4 years.

    The Denver game was definitely on the D.
     
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  5. Shane Falco

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    I watch all the games. I haven't missed one in 18 years.

    In the Detroit game we had the lead with little time left, the defense got burned by Riddick.

    Offense did their job, they had the lead at the end. That's all they have to do.

    Defense didn't do their jobs.

    And if we would have won those 3 games, we would have made the playoffs. So there's that.
     
  6. Fin-O

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    Obviously Im not going to be able to show you how ridiculous that is to say...so I will simply move right along in hopes of some better football conversation. If you think all the offense needs to do is score one TD in a football game then I can't help you.
     
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  7. Shane Falco

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    My brother, all the offense has to do is score more points than the defense allows.

    That's it.

    Atlanta beat Tenn 10-7, we put 38 up on them.

    Atlanta doesn't care, a win is a win.
     
  8. Fin-O

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    A win is a win, but I can't imagine many reasonable Titans fans are pissing and moaning about losing that game because of their defense.
     
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  9. Shane Falco

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    If their defense held us to 7 points, they would have won.

    It goes both ways.

    We just need to beat the team on the field that day.
     
  10. Kud_II

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    Good, he's finally settling into his role as leader. Unfortunately I think this is a lost season, but we could easily rebound big in 16'

    We can't make up for Mccain, Taylor, and Aikens, in the secondary, and this depleted LB corps, no Wake.

    Just too many holes to exploit. All we have back there to count on now is Suh Jones and Grimes Vernon... may as well be our entire defense.
     
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  11. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    where is lamar fletcher when you need him?
     
  12. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Detroit great team last year. Defense held them to 16 points. Offense time and time again could have put the game away. You hold a team like that to 16 and it should be a win. The offense kept giving them more chances and it finally hit them in the butt at the end. Really offense scoring 13 is good enough for you? And the only TD the offense had that game came off a blocked punt that put them inside the 10. So the defense that game pretty much scored their only TD too. Offense was absolute garbage. So if a team holds someone to a 3-0 lead the whole game and the opposing team gets a TD to win you're gonna blame the defense? That Green Bay game the offense played way too conservative in the 4th quarter giving Rodgers and the Packers opportunity after opportunity trying to run out the clock. Which is stupid going up against a QB like Rodgers. One more first down game is over. You can't keep stalling and keep giving the ball back to a team like Green Bay.
     
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  13. resnor

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    Didn't Green Bay get two unanswered scores in the fourth to win?

    Yes, wasn't ideal by the offense, but the way the defense folded in the fourth is why people put the blame on them.

    The offense hasn't been very good, but, the oline has been terrible. That affects so much.

    Although I'm souring on Tannehill a bit, I'm not naive enough to think that simply replacing the QB is going to have some sort of dramatic effect.
     
  14. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Again you misrepresent us. How many times you going to keep doing that? No one said a better QB means instant success. But that is one of the holes on this team. Replacing an average QB who can't play in the big games or against the division. And you can claim you're souring on Tannehill all you want but I see you still defending him and this offense.
     
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  15. resnor

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    Yes, I'm not as set on Tannehill as I was last season, but I'm not going to join you on this crusade against him, because I do believe that, despite his shortcomings, he's being hampered by his team.

    Again, I'd prefer to fix the gaping holes on the roster before replacing the guy who's at least pretty good. Spending big resources, like draft picks, on a QB won't help fix the big problems, like oline, linebackers, and corner. It's why I've been advocating recently to spend on those this offseason, and worry about QB the following year. OR, try and trade Tannehill for a second round pick. Then use your picks to move up for whoever the concensus best QB is, and use your other picks for oline and defense.

    Yes, I am souring on Tannehill. When have you seen me advocate trading him, in any scenario, in the past three years?

    I also wouldn't be at all surprised to see Tannehill be successful on a different team.
     
  16. Vertical Limit

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    He would be successful on another team just like Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer were successful. It wont be because of them, but because the defense was elite or he has a badasss runningback behind him.

    Lets face it, the real leaders of our offense is Landry, Albert and Pouncey. And thats a problem. The "franchise" quarterback is suppose to be the ultimate leader, and he isnt.
     
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  17. dolphin25

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    Landry was screaming at him to snap the ball on the Matthews non catch, but Tannehill just doesn't get it.
     
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  18. SuhMe

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    Landry also should have f****** caught that ball in the first quarter. I love him but it wasn't his first critical drop this season, he's gotta cut that s*** out and stay focused. Physically he's not a Mike Evans or a A.J Green type, athletically he doesn't wow you, so obviously those hands are absolutely critical to his and our success. Really disappointed in DvP, thought he would be a stud by now, but just like with Tanny I ain't giving up on him yet. In regards to Tannehill, he's definitely regressed this year, but he also needs a better H.C/O.C. You also have to keep in mind, Tannehill was supposed to be a project coming into this league due to his lack of experience at the position. His overall body of work has been just fine compared to the vast majority of his peers around the same age. To me, outside of Cam, there seems to be a real dearth of elite young QB's in this league so I find it logical to stay the course with Tannehill AT LEAST 1 more year.
     
  19. dolphin25

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    Landry would have caught it if it had been a proper throw. The defender should never have been a factor in the play.

    There are a lot of good QB's out there now. Raiders, Titans, Bucs, they all have good young QB's.

    I like D Parker, but drafting a WR with a foot injury was just not a good move. No question he is really talented.
     
  20. SuhMe

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    The ball wasn't perfectly thrown, but a top tier WR is supposed to make that catch. Also in the Jacksonville game I believe it was he also dropped a CRITICAL 3rd down that he had absolutely no business dropping and it easily could have cost us the game. Look I love Landry, I'm just saying, he's got to concentrate better on both of these plays I'm referring to. A guy like Fitz probably catches both of those balls, Jarvis's hands aren't quite elite yet. And Tannehill beat MM str8 up, Winston looks impressive but so did RGbust, so don't take too much stock in a rookie season, NFL defenses adjust. Carr is also impressive but he still hasn't proven much in this league yet so pump the brakes on his hype as well. There's a ton of teams out there that have worse QB situation than ours. Most the elite QB's in this game right now are very old, hell even Hasselbeck>Luck this year, pretty sure that changes in the very near future. Luck like Tannehill is still developing, and neither of them have been very good this year in truth. Difference is, most Colts fans aren't being stupid and throwing their QB under the bus.
     
  21. jdang307

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    Re Landry and tough catch ...

    [video=twitter;667552843658850304]https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/667552843658850304[/video]

    Who we should have drafted last year.
     
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  22. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    In the Green Bay game,Green Bay had a time of possession advantage of 37.12 to 22.48
    Denver had the TOP advantage of 34.17 to 25.43
    Detroit had the TOP advantage of 31.34 to 28.26

    You just cant leave a defense on the field with that kind of disadvantage in time of possession
    Even a good defense would have problems never mind a suspect defense like Miami has.

    Yesterday against Dallas the time of possession was even worse with Dallas having the ball
    for 38.50 compared to our offense which had the ball for 21.10 but that should be of no
    surprise when your offense converts only 1 out of 10 3rd downs. How about this offense
    give the defense a fighting chance instead of sending the defense out to play 65 % of the game
     
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  23. SuhMe

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    He was drafted 2 picks ahead of juice. But yea, he's a beast.
     
  24. dolphin25

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    Luck has been injured a large part of the year.

    I agree Landry should catch every ball.
     
  25. SuhMe

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    And he's also played like s*** when not injured, his picks have been horrendous this year. And yea, especially on that critical 3rd down against Jacksonville when Tannehill put the ball right in Landry's hands on a short slant, he's pretty much supposed to catch that ball and not cost his team possession/the game.

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    Luck must really suck too comparing so unfavorably statistically to such a lousy QB :confused2:
     
  26. jdang307

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    We traded 50 with San Diego and got 57 and 125. Robinson was still there at 57. Traded with SF (they took Hyde) and got 63 and 171.

    So we got 63, 125 and 171 out of the trade downs of our 2nd.

    Of course if we stay put, everything behind changes, but the players we got were Landry, and Walt Aikens and Jordan Tripp. The pick used on Jordan Tripp is what we got for trading down past Robinson.
     
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  27. SuhMe

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    I forgot about that, you make a good point but overall I'm still very happy with Juice. We have plenty of other problems on this team to worry about that imo but it definitely makes you think.
     
  28. Finster

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    The thing is drops are part of the game, he has a low drop rate so he's doing well, but you seem to expect perfection from other players and gloss over all the imperfections of Tanne, not perfect throw, but expect perfect catch, that's not being objective.
     
  29. jdang307

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    Juice is good. Robinson is already top 10. It it is what it is.
     
  30. SuhMe

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    You're not being objective either. they both f***** up. And the easy drop in the Jax game REALLY hurt too, just saying, it's true.
     
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  31. PhinFan1968

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    Its a bit of a chicken/egg argument though. The defense kind of allowed that % too didn't they? I mean, the offense should've done better, ya, but they allowed some clock-drainers. The lack of discipline as well has become a MAJOR problem (even aside from the officiating COMPLETELY sucking in that game). The team isn't there...and won't be this year barring some miracle.
     
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  32. Finster

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    How am I not being objective?
     
  33. djphinfan

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    I have found a weakness in landrys game that needs to get better..and that is his cuts, he's rounding them off pretty regularly, little stiff in the hips, not sinking his hips at the break, not planting and making sharp cuts on in and out routes..
     
  34. resnor

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    Yeah, can anyone point me to the rule that states that if you're offense is struggling to get into rhythm and maintain drives that the defense has to give up long drive after long drive? Why can't our defense dictate a game? Why can't they force some three and outs?

    Oh, I know why, because for seemingly the past three years, our defense has routinely allowed third and longs to be converted on them at will.
     
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    While true, I think our team talent-wise looks relatively balanced on offense and defense, so when the offense is anemic it looks like the bigger problem (relative to expectations based on talent).

    Also.. not sure if I'm the only one feeling this (I say "feeling" because I don't have any stats handy to prove it) but we seem to be better on 3rd and long this year than many years ago (and I'm going back further than just the Philbin era), at least based on memory. I remember constantly getting upset at one after another 3rd and long being converted years ago. Now, it's just on occasion I think that. But like I said I have no stats to back up that (possibly faulty) memory.
     
  36. resnor

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    We still give up tons of third and long, just my feeling.
     
  37. jdang307

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    Because when the defense is on the field too much, it gets tired. Defensive players tire more easily than offensive players because of relentless pursuit of the football.
     
  38. resnor

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    Let me try again:

    Why does the defense have to give up long drives? Why can't they force three and outs?

    I understand being on the field alot is tiring. I reject that it is all on the offense, especially early in games. Allowing long drives, and consistent giving up third downs, is an indictment of the defense.
     
  39. Finster

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    This is a one sided view however, you want to give the O a pass and put it on the D, the O is just as responsible, if not moreso.
     
  40. Dorfdad

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    little to late for that.. Bottom feeders in the division, no chance at anything meaningful for once I hope this team just tanks it so we have a great draft pick. Tired of the 7-9 9-7 records and ending up missing on the key players...

    Also the team should be holding practices not meetings, they cant do basic things right anymore..

    Also on offense until we get road grader Offensive lineman or our quaterback learns to get the ball out faster were never going to be a good offensive team....
     

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