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Armando Stirring the Pot with the Tannehill Debate

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  1. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article46974905.html

    Claims there is a disconnect between the front office and coaching staff when it comes to Tannehill.

    This should give us some insight into the coaching search in the offseason. Personally, I think you should give the incoming coach the ultimate authority to determine the position.. Taking such a strong stance may scare away a potential candidate that may not buy into Tannehill as a top 10 QB
     
  2. Wildcat23

    Wildcat23 Here kitty kitty

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    Good. That means they will be all in on getting some coaches that will work with tannehill, not against. Right or wrong, atleast we will have no debate the next few seasons.
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Let him hit on 30 td's, that is the bar
     
  4. cbrad

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    Interesting article. The question is whether Armando's getting accurate information there. Does the Dolphins front office REALLY think Tannehill is a better long-term prospect than Cam Newton?? He claims that's what they told him, but whether that's what they really believe is another story, and I'm not convinced that's what they really believe.

    The quotes from the coaches were useful too. Basically shows they don't think Tannehill can process information fast, i.e. he doesn't have much football smarts. At least it's comforting to know they think Tannehill isn't that smart a QB (shows coaches aren't THAT dumb).
     
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  5. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    They value Tannehill so high yet he isn't even allowed to audible
     
  6. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    SWEET! Long live 8-8
     
  7. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    If this is the result of a "build a long term roster" thought exercise, I'm a little horrified at the age distribution of these QBs. They're either pretty old or very young. The only median is Cam Newton.

    But if this is more of a "build a roster for this year" thought exercise, the selections are more understandable.

    As for the coaching staff, most of them will not be here next year, and their opinions can be safely disregarded.
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    This all reminds me a bit of the Jay Cutler debate.

    Just from what I'm seeing from Tannehill, he appears like a really frustrated Qb

    2 td's per game, on avg, will have him knocking on the 30 td club, to me that is where the rubber meets the road
     
  9. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I think Armando uses a ton of conjecture there. I didn't read anything new in any of that..hes just trying to connect dogs to get them to lead somewhere
     
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  10. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Can you imagine this type of reporting allowed in a reputable newspaper like the NY Times?
     
  11. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Coaching staff is speaking the truth and the front office is saying what they need to say knowing well that there is an escape hatch in his contract if any of this is truth.
     
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  12. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    That was my first thought as well, just not sure you can take the FO at their word, are they just backing their product to show stability, because midseason they aren't going to admit anything, and guys get fired right after they get extensions that show how much the FO believes in their guy, so you can't take the FO at their word.
     
  13. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    If one of the top QBs in the draft falls to us, you would have to give it strong consideration. Bring him in and let him compete. See what happens. Maybe you get an Aaron Rodgers type situation and he sits for a bit, but pays off down the road.
     
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  14. Phins Up Wins Up

    Phins Up Wins Up Banned

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    How bad will tannehill play against a divisional opponent this time?
     
  15. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Of course the front office is going to sit there and back up their 1st round draft pick who is still starting at the moment. Especially mid season. It is more telling how the coaches don't have a lot of confidence in him.
     
  16. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    They are looking at Memphis and no he wont fall to us. It will have to be a splash.
     
  17. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Like Matt Moore but with less balls? Sorry I went there
     
  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Better question is, how bad will the team play against another divisional opponent?
     
  19. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    If that is accurate we officially have the DUMBEST front office in the NFL. You almost could argue the age factor with a couple guys then you see a Cam Newton and are forced to just shake your head and prepare to keep being a crappy franchise.
     
  20. cbrad

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    Except that Tannenbaum is known for giving up picks and what-not to go up and get a player he really likes. Maybe all this is a smokescreen for just such a move. Personally, I wouldn't mind. Better to take a gamble and fail than play it safe and stay average.
     
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  21. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    They cant say what they want to say in the middle of the season. C'mon man
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    armando is also telling us that the he's heard from sources that the from office loves paxton from memphis...
     
  23. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Couldnt agree more although he is known for mortgaging the future to his demise and the teams. We do have a lot of escape clauses right now on big contracts.
     
  24. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    This talk has been circulating for more than a month.
     
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  25. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Do you see how these reports conflict??

    Feeling like an attempt to save face that we are interested in replacing our 90M QB.
     
  26. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Or retain our perception of value of him
     
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  27. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I see nothing earth shattering in this article. The front office is backing and showing confidence in their quarterback. That's what they should be doing.
     
  28. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Considering Landry and Matthews might not play, the state of our OL, and our incompetent OC, and our inexperienced HC, combined with a QB who hasn't had a real QB coach in his career in the NFL... I'd say the chances are pretty good he plays like ****, just like all year.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know you know you can evaluate a qb regardless of the pieces round him?..

    I don't see him playing like sh##, he better not play like sh##.
     
  30. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Like this?

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  31. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Coaching staff sucks. Lazor needs to go. Personnel department is right on this one. If there is this disconnect its guaranteed that Lazor is gone next season which should make all of us happy
     
  32. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the front office views him the same way we do. Which is good. It means Lazor is out next year and we will be getting some offensive linemen in the offseason.
     
  33. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    no. we have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL though
     
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  34. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    To me, Tannehill is miscast in this style of offense, as in wildly miscast.

    Remember the up tempo/no huddle offense Lazor was supposed to install?

    Yeah, that was fun..never saw it out on the field.

    IIRC THill's magic number of passes is 35, below that number he is quite good, instead the offense features Miller maybe getting 12 carries and Tannehill pass pass pass, which does not mesh will with our offensive line *cough* talent, nor Tannehill at this point strengths....

    We've watched him improve his deep passing tremendously this season, to me that also means he will sharpen up as a passer as he gains more experience especially in the right offense.
     
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  35. Limbo

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    No one I trust more than our staff and FO to evaluate the QB position. Great track records, all.

    My issue with sticking only with Tannehill is that, in doing so, you're expecting him to progress in a very very uncommon manner. You're expecting him to be an exception to the rule. QBs hardly ever get suddenly good after their first 3-4 years. If they haven't flashed a really good season by then, odds are they never will, let alone consistently. By that point you generally are who you are. Looking around the League at who you'd take over him is a small part of the thinking; you need to ask how you can find/develop a great QB.

    Look at Drew Brees. Ups and downs in SD, injuries, etc...but in his 3rd year as a starter he had the 3rd-highest passer rating in the League. Flashed legit hi-end potential. People who are surprised by Cam's 2015 success I guess forgot his rookie season when he was a total force (OROY, pro bowl, 35 TDs, boosted CAR by +4 in the W column). Those are the kinds of track records and guys you should be gambling on with a high projection.

    Projecting great things from a guy who has shown it before is one thing; projecting greatness from a guy who has never shown it before is, imo, foolish. And waiting for someone to become an exception to the rule is an even bigger mistake.
     
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  36. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    The same front office that wants to draft Paxton Lynch reportedly??? :up:
     
  37. Disgustipate

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    They're not drafting a quarterback high this year, and I'm not sure why people think that's even marginally realistic for a lot of reasons.
     
  38. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    All that article tells me is that this team is dysfunctional on all levels of football.. LOL @ they would pick him over Cam Newton.. A borderline Top 5 quarterback.. a leader, a real captain.

    Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Rivers are all better than Tannehill that's not even remotely debatable. Bortles and Bridgewater are on his level but Bortles is showing something lately.
     
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  39. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Some of the names you mention, the article stated , they view Tannehill better in the LONG TERM....not now. I have no problem with the Dolphins doing due diligence on one of the better players in the upcoming draft. I expect no less. I think it's crazy ,but expected, that people will try to spin this to fit what they want to happen. People who view him as "Matt Moore with no balls" or Tannehill has progressed every year , see this article as a definitive "the FO see him as the problem ....or the FO sees him as the answer.



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  40. Buckeyetroop

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    And we wonder why we are a joke in this league....................Look squarely at the front office if this article is accurate.
     
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