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Questions still remain at QB

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin-O, Nov 26, 2015.

  1. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh, and as for this comment... I reference this, simply because, I know how the trolls in the mains work. They hang on every word to fit their agenda.

    I'm simply saying... from what I recall at the time, thats what happened. I reserve the right to review the play again at a later time. I'm confident in what I saw. It was confirmed by several others in the game thread, and in the club chat. So, I'm good, but I know people like you, tend to want to hang on every little thing, because you are more concerned with being "right", than anything else.

    You watch the play. You watch the CBS cuts of Rishard down. Pryor celebrating. I'm pretty sure they cut to him celebrating. Then Rishard down. Then Pryor still celebrating.

    Again, I need to watch it again to say so for sure, becuase I know, people like you will call people out on anything and everyting to prove your pointless point, but thats what I recall. I watch each game at least twice. So, I'll confirm it then. In the meantime, you can keep rambling on and on about nonsense, k?
     
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  2. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe... wait and see what his injury is? Then act all tough..
     
  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    So, now we're back to the blindside sack, which Tannehill was lucky to get up from, and the resulting fumble is Tannehill's fault?

    Come on, man. A sack from your blind side is ANYWAYS the fault of the left tackle, for a right handed QB.
     
  4. Fin-O

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    Funny thing is that same character was asking where he could "report trolling"

    The irony.
     
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  5. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I can tell his ribs were injured. I said it as soon as it happened. Had my phone on me all game. Doesn't change anything. Nobody saw his ribs break or fracture.

    Not acting tough. I'm debating.


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  6. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    He could've diagnosed the blitz. He didn't.


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  7. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yup. He's just as questionable as some of those guys that swing the other way on the issue.

    ****, why can't we just discuss this **** normally.
     
  8. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    "swing the other way" :lol:

    Leave Res out of this!
     
  9. djphinfan

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    can I get a clean stance as to where your at with ryan right now...just so I know moving forward.
     
  10. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Oh wow. Can't even debate with anybody. He's the one saying I don't know what a good QB looks like. I didn't report him. I addressed him directly and told him not to misrepresent me or speak down to me.


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  11. djphinfan

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    lol
     
  12. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Debating? Not really... you're being ridiculous. You just admitted to the guy having a fractured rib, broken rib, or something like that... which.. is pretty painfull.. you know, do to its proximity to the lungs, and being the main protective part of your body to some of the most important internal organs of the human body... and... its apparently ok, for the opponent to celebrate that, then... bash the QB for calling the defense out over it? Hmm... seems like a pointless debate no? Unless of course... you want to just bash the QB?
     
  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, I've been pointing that it since the hit. That hit really shows people's bias though. Accusing Tannehill of getting him hurt. Others saying that Tannehill shouldn't have thrown it, knowing Matthews would get hit. Such BS. it's one thing if you throw a poor ball that a guy has to lay out for, making him exposed to a big hit. You don't just not throw to a receiver because he will get hit.

    This stuff is ridiculous.
     
  14. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] ah, Res. Good guy to debate with.


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  15. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    As far he goes, you don't need to explain yourself my man.
     
  16. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Appreciate it. I have no problem with him otherwise.


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  17. brandon27

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    I'm not going there. but... you know what I mean. :lol:

    It's good to question the QB for his play... but IMO, his comments on the Matthews issue, are spot on. That's not me defending his play in any way... he sucked. everyone around him sucked. We sucked. We sucked right through the mouth, the blowhole and every other hole on the body of a dolphin. But... lets at least be realistic about our complaints.
     
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  18. Shane Falco

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    The funny thing is that he was the ONLY WR who's route had him close to the first down. If Tannehill would have checked down he would be called out for that.

    Dude can't win lol.
     
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  19. resnor

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    How do you know? What is your evidence that says that people aren't simply blowing their assignments?
     
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  20. Fin-O

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    My take is the pass was bad, but he would've likely got blown up anyways. Although we also have to acknowledge Ryan seems to hang his Wrs out to dry sometimes. Not intentionally....its an awareness thing.
     
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  21. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I guess you could have a point there. But you'd think he'd keep his eye on the blitzing players if he knew they were coming.


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  22. resnor

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    I don't think I have a clear stance.

    1. I'm not happy with Tannehill this season but...
    I think Lazor is a big problem, and the oline is a massive. problem
    2. I have no issue with shopping Tannehill, and if you can get a second rounder, you take it.
    3. I'm not happy with the lack of running by Tanne

    Honestly, DJ, after last season, I expected much more from Tannehill this season. I'm certainly not confident in Tannehill like I was last season, but I really believe that this oline hinders him far more than people want to admit. I completely understand if someone says "I want a QB who isn't dependent on their oline playing well. " I will never accept the myriad of things people want to put on Tannehill, when's it's obvious to everyone that these losses are on the entire team, although the defense has been better the last couple games. The defense has done their job the last couple.
     
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  23. resnor

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    Yeah, but then, he'd be watching his left side, the middle, and the right, at the same time, then he'd need a fourth set of eyes to find a receiver. I kind of like that he keeps trying to trust his line, believing that they're going to hold a block allowing him to throw.
     
  24. Fin-O

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    Also remember when people were saying that Tannehill was better than Russel Wilson and it was his DEFENSE and RB that propelled him???

    His OL, is actually worse than Miami's, his best WR is Doug Baldwin, his RB is hurt and has been a shell of himself this year, and his defense is in the bottom 3 in 4th qtr points allowed and middle of the pack in ppg allowed.

    His 5th Td pass today won them the game and Wilson has excelled despite his surroundings.

    This isn't a knock at Ryan as I think most agreed the comparison was laughable, but props to a 5'11 Qb from the Big Ten who is one hell of a QB.
     
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  25. brandon27

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    All true, but if you watch the play again, what other choice does he have? It's either he hands Rishard out to dry in attempt to pick up the first down, or we check it down and fail miserably due to a terrible play, and play call?

    I mean... this play, from my views of it earlier today, are a perfect example of why this entire offense is set up to fail under Bill Lazor.

    Again, for those who are slow (not you Fin-O), the throw was poorly placed, behind the WR, but... its a terrible, terrible playcall.

    I'll watch it again later in the week, I hope I see something else. I hope theres a route I missed. My initial view, and reaction though, is Tannehill made probably the best read/throw he could have, given the playcall. Regardless of the placement of the throw, it was destined to fail.
     
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  26. Shane Falco

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    Dave Hyde wrote:
    6. We can debate Tannehill and his game, because this offense is floundering. He completed 33 of 58 passes for 358 yards and three touchdowns. But at halftime Hall of Famer Bill Polian said Tannehill wasn't the problem. The offensive line was. Here's what you can't debate: He takes some of the hardest hits you can take and still get up from. He did again Sunday.
     
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  27. resnor

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    Seattle runs the offense to his strengths, though.

    I doubt his line is worse than what Tannehill is going to play through the rest of the season with. But, like I've said a million times, a QB with elite lateral agility, who looks like Barry Sanders, can do work behind a terrible oline. Tannehill does not have that. The discussion around skill came in with people saying that Tannehill is a better pocket passer than Wilson.

    Whether that is true or not can certainly be debated.
     
  28. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I think everybody agrees with your three points, Res and most of what you said in the following paragraph.

    There's better questions though like, do you feel Tannehill should do more individually with this current supporting cast? Do you feel that he's overpaid for what he does? Do you feel that we might as well go with Moore, invest in other positions and then go for another young QB with a QB friendly team?


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  29. Fin-O

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    I for one can not wait until we can drop this ridiculous Spread offense, I've always liked the Air Coryell offense although that may be to sophisticated for Ryan.

    All I know is Chip Kelly's pion is failing miserably.
     
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  30. brandon27

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    I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. Ryan struggled early on IMO with his placement.

    Ryan also struggles with his reluctance/inability/unawareness to escape the pocket (or lack there of) when it breaks down. I dont know why he doesnt move. Is it because of the offense scheme, being so timing and spot throw based, or is it because he cant process it all. Nobody here knows. I can guarantee that. This whole system though, it's just not right htis year. None of it. and yes... for those of you... that includes Ryan. Sad that we have to always mentioned that now around here
     
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  31. brandon27

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    He certainly is. If there's one thing he learned from Chip, it's his stubbornness to stick with something that he believes in, that isnt working. Adjustments, are not their strong suits.
     
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    My thought is always "If he is not playing will we be worse"? As far as the QB situation, I think not. I have felt that way since the beginning. Just my thoughts. I respect all other thoughts also.
     
  33. finsfandan

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    I don't believe it was an all out blitz but I get your point that he has no confidence in his OL regardless of a blitz or not. I somewhat agree but still believe he should pay extra attention to blitzers.

    It's debatable, really. Not that cut and dry.


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  34. Fin-O

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    I recall the discussion being centered around who was the better QB. But you are spot on in regards to skill sets and bad OL's.
     
  35. resnor

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    Honestly, I didn't think he was overpaid after last season. Also, I don't see Moore being successful in this offense, behind this line, but I'd like to see it, just to see a different QB in there. I don't think this offense is going to be successful with some other young QB as it is, so, unless there's an Andrew Luck type guy coming in this next draft, I say you spend you're picks on oline and defense. If you can find someone willing to drop at least a second on Tannehill, I take it, and roll with Moore next season, or someone we draft. With an extra second we could move up pretty good in the first, and grab the best QB, if there were one to be found.

    I do think, if Lazor is gone, and we put a competent line in the field, though, that Tannehill would look really good. He just isn't able to overcome terrible oline play.
     
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    Anybody hear anything about Pouncey? Douglas was HORRIBLE at center. If Pouncey is out we need to sign a center. Who's out there?
     
  37. finsfandan

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    All very true. And I hope Luck returns with a vengeance next year so we never have to hear that comparison ever again. Or Tannehill somehow earns that comparison. Either way I'd be happy.


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  38. resnor

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    Yeah, but when some were saying "better QB"they were referring to traditional QBs, I believe, not about mobile running QBs.
     
  39. Dol Fan99

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    My question is why a qb in his 4th season is supposed to be "in his prime?" If I'm watching the same league everyone else is then I think we're seeing qbs play their best football at around 30+ years old. Andy Daltons 4th year consisted of 3300 yards 19 tds 17 ints, now followed by the best year of his career.

    I'm not saying that Tannehill does not lack awareness and confidence but I think we need to relax a bit. A good qb is difficult to come by.
     
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  40. brandon27

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    I wasn't asked, I'm aware of that...

    But, should he do more? Yes. I think we'd all like that. Is it as possible as we all think? Probably not. He's got to at least stand in there and wait for the play called, to develop before taking off.

    Is he overpaid? I don't care. I don't pay him. For his current production? Probably, yes. However... what other option did we have going into this season?

    Moore? I believe we should have benched Tannehill at some point today to send a message... but to Start Moore... that's a mistake IMO. It's not going to accomplish anything. He's a backup for a reason, and the season is over.

    Moving forward, due to Tannehill's contract, I'd invest in a coaching staff that specializes in offense, and QB's. Real, experienced coaches. Not Philbins. Not Lazors. Real coaches. You're committed to Ryan by that contract for a little longer. So, try and fix the "problem". The kid can throw the football. The kid is struggling mentally, which can likely be contributed to inexperience, and poor coaching (Taylor, Lazor, Philbin, Cambpell).

    Hire Hue Jackson. He's helped Dalton who last year, was in the same position as Tannehill this year. See where it goes. If it fails, Rid yourselves of Tannehill, and keep, what is apparently a good all around football coach, who's coached almost every position there is on a staff.
     
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