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Breaking: Bill Lazor fired per SI

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  1. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Do you really actually watch the game? not ALL of the routes are 5 yards short of the route LOL OMG
     
  2. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Agreed. It's just Tanny that is choosing to throw it to the short routes. Could be deeper routes were always being covered or Tanny missed them
     
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  3. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I don't know, but it's ballsy as hell.
     
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  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Lazor usually had one drive per game that I would be "man, that was pure genius" and then he would have about four or five where the Benny Hill theme song should have been playing over the loudspeakers
     
  5. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    On his way.....? He's there my friend.
     
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  6. Shane Falco

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    Who cares if he kills coach's careers, they shouldn't be in the NFL from the looks of it?


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  7. keypusher

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    Kind of a moot point, but I really don't mind a draw on 3rd and 25, at least not in the first half. The odds of something bad happening are much better than the odds of converting. There are plenty of things to be legitimately upset about (like five-yard passes on third and 8) but that particular call doesn't bother me.
     
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  8. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    The number of people that were on Philbins staff that deserve their jobs are...what, Kacy Rogers? The rest are uninspiring nepotistic hires that are entirely unqualified (not exactly uncommon in the nfl) or too low on the totem pole to make a noticible impact.
     
  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, a good coach doesn't get fired because he has a crappy QB.

    Calling Tannehill a coach killer is stupid. He certainly seems to be good at identifying who the bad ones are, though. We should now refer to him as Ryan "The Litmus Test" Tannehill.
     
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  10. Brasfin

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    One thing that caught my attention after seeing Campbell's PC today was that he said he (paraphrasing) wanted Tannehill to plant and throw... if his first read wasn't open, throw to the check down. Guess he doesn't want Tannehill scanning the field and taking much time to throw.

    He also said he wanted to move the pocket more as well. Zac Taylor also said they were thinking about also giving Tannehill the ability to audible. Those three things would change the offense tremendously. I actually wouldn't be surprised if we ended the season 7-9 or 8-8 now.
     
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  11. Unlucky 13

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    Yeah, those long, slow developing plays, combined with the trouble on the OL and the fact that teams are defending the short areas well vs us are all combining to destroy our offense. Fixing the one thing that we really have control over is a no brainer.
     
  12. Silverphin

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    So, Tannehill's a coach killer now?

    Oh man, we made a mistake. Let's bring back Philbin, Sherman, and Kevin Coyle!
     
  13. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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  14. Wildcat23

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    TBH, if hes just taking over play calling responsibilities, a month or so should be enough time to get familiar with the offense. Hes not implementing an offense, just calling the plays. He doesnt even have to memorize them.
     
  15. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    It's a great analogy aside from the fact that those 'other' drives often didn't last long enough to get any tune going.
     
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  16. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Here's my thing; there's something amiss here. You have multiple reports that Tannehill can't audible, and now we're thinking about letting him do it? What gives? Are we really supposed to believe that someone who had sights for Med school has this much trouble being familiar with a play book he had going on two seasons now? We are supposed to believe that he has no ability to know of another play in certain formations that he can check to?

    Apparently Tannehill spends a lot of time at the building doing work, yet he has no idea how to audible? What the **** are we installing that in two seasons we can't cover some of this? We certainly haven't seen anything special come out of the offense to indicate all this other work on everything other than audibles is doing anything.

    In short, something does not make sense with this. Either we have the dumbest SOB in the history of the NFl - the same one who saw Terry Bradshaw win in, and he isn't that bright himself, or the whole offensive staff outside of Campbell and a couple of others is worse than inept. These people were paid well for this?

    Where does one sign up? You'd have a good year before anyone caught on. It would be the greatest Costanzo ever and it would be real.
     
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  17. vt_dolfan

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    It's funny...I was thinking.of Bradshaw when people said Tannehill wasnt smart enough to Audible..lol.
     
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  18. cbrad

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    It makes sense if the problem is the speed at which he processes information. The question isn't whether he understands things in the abstract (per your Med school reference), the question is whether he can process what's going on fast enough, and there it really doesn't look like Tannehill is up to par. He stares down receivers precisely because he can't process what's going on fast enough so he can scan the entire field. He has little pocket awareness because he has to concentrate on what's downfield.

    Having said that, they should force him to audible so we can see if he can learn how to do it under realistic conditions. Season is over anyway.. best to find out what we really have in different players, and with respect to audibling.. that includes Tannehill.
     
  19. Rock Sexton

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    He had his "sights on Med School" lol ...... that one sounds great and all, but c'mon bruh. Probably one of the most abused statements outside of being "pre-law".

    I'm not going to sit here and defend Lazor for everything. However, it was his decision to scale back the passing offense last year and that manufactured Tanny's best #'s to date. We've had two OC's four years in. They see this kid everyday in practice. If it was painfully obvious they had a "cerebral QB" back I doubt we'd be having this discussion.

    There's clearly trepidation about what Tanny is capable of processing out there. The coaching staff has spelled it out for everyone over the last couple of days ..... and in the nicest way possible.
     
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  20. Rock Sexton

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    Tanny often has cement shoes on if his first option from his pre-snap read isn't there. I can only imagine how much worse it would get if he had the whole playbook in his head while trying to dissect a defense.

    I watched a little more of Blake Bortles yesterday. He's still far from being a complete QB, but what I noticed yet again was his ability to extend plays with his feet and slipping the pass rush in the pocket. Much like Big Ben (whom he's often compared), you can tell it's just a natural talent and one which Tannehill has not shown even with all that athletic ability.

    We should be rolling the kid out more to perhaps loosen him up, but part me of is concerned about always needing to do that just to get him going. That breeds tendencies and defenses eat those alive, much like the underneath stuff.
     
  21. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    You see, Tannehill just isn't "football smart".

    Oh, you don't know what football smart is? That's because you're not football smart. Like Tannehill. He's not football smart.

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  22. AdamC13

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    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...lack-of-freedom-on-audibles-um-coach-sea.html

    This got addressed about two weeks ago:


    “He had a lot of options he could do. He did a good job of getting us into the right plays and protection, but we felt like it slowed him down a little bit with his rhythm. We felt like he could be a better passer by taking a little bit of a load off of him. And he is throwing the ball better.”

    Translation: Tannehill didn't handle both calling plays and passing the ball well.
     
  23. AdamC13

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    Dan Marino scored a 15 on the wonderlic (think Forrest Gump). Yet, Coach Shula once said that Dan's best asset is that it doesn't take long for it to go from Dan's brain to his feet and to his arm. No one will ever accuse Tannehill of that.

    It appears to me some people are confusing the ability to comprehend complex information with processing speed and reaction time. Those are very different. Perhaps there is a reason not too many Ivy league QBs end up stars in the NFL.
     
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  24. Fin-O

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    This.

    Two totally different animals that frankly have very little correlation.
     
  25. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think the answer was lazor was a control freak. He called plays to set up other plays and he didnt want his qb messing with that...............you know...all that success we had
     
  26. adamprez2003

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    you mean the coaching staff that just got fired while the remaining coaching staff basically said audibling is on the near term menu
     
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  27. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    yeah i think he's ranked somewhere around 28th in football smarts and 25th in processing what he sees on the field to the electrical impulses going to his big toe. I mean you can just see it in the kid. How long should it take to process they are rushing three guys who will get pressure on me immediately and all my receivers are covered because they have eight men flooding all the pass lanes. Maybe I'll run? damn sacked again
     
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  28. Conuficus

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    You're second paragraph is exactly my point. What are we doing that we haven't done this to the point of in case of x do y. **** it isn't that hard. And to those that say I'm getting book smarts confused with this or that, maybe or maybe I just expect someone with a decent IQ to have at least memorized what to do in certain situations. Your brain does it all the time;it's called experience.

    That's what I'm saying. Either he is just ****ing dumb, or he has an issue and as I've said several times in the last week; TRADE him to the Rams and be done with it. Grab a defensive piece from them and a late round pick and run, and I mean run. Don't get fancy, lose on the deal who cares, get him out of here if this is an issue.

    I mean honestly, there are situations you'll face all the time with our staple plays that you have to know how to get out of them and into another play, you will face similar fronts to that all the time as you'll use them in more predictable down and distances etc. thus, you will know one other play that will work out of that formation. If you don't by now either you're dumb as a rock or you have an issue that will prevent you from getting over the hump.

    It's as if he wants someone to write him a letter letting him know it's ok to be successful. Get on with it or get the **** out the way for the guy who can. It's not complicated.

    Just consider this how much competition have we actually brought in for that position in the last five years? We had better invest dome resources in it this year or this team is going to be a nightmare for at least another three years as we have to deal with someone else's growing pains. Ron Wolfe used to draft QBs all the time, you could never have enough of them. We need to start doing some of that, bringing guys in on a more frequent basis with lower round picks and see if one sticks in a real capacity. Moore has been grandfathered into the role just for the sake of continuity, but the reality is it hasn't helped. We are in deep **** at the position if Tannehill is indeed just a waste of time. We have nothing behind him, and I mean nothing even worth dressing up to look at. No one has been groomed in any capacity. Good teams groom talent on a constant basis.
     
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  29. Rock Sexton

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    Always a jailbreak with 3 guys on every single pass play. Yeaaaaah. :pointlol:
     
  30. muskrat21

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    um, Tannehill has the capabilities to audible as in smarts. The SYSTEM doesn't allow for audibles. Under sherman's system tannehill was allowed to audible and that is when tannehill had a really high rating against the blitz. Just because the SYSTEM doesn't have audibles doesn't mean tannehill doesn't know how to. He just isn't allowed to bc bill lazor's system is a one play will work system which one play doesn't work for any defense.
     
  31. Itsdahumidity

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    The next five weeks will put this theory to a test, but what amazes me is the fact that some posters believe the problems are "either/or." Either it's lazor's fault b/c he's a bad OC or it's THill's fault b/c he's a limited qb. Well I say it's both. However, Lazor's firing shouldn't compel the THill crowd to pump their chest.
     
  32. AdamC13

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    An excellent plan.
     
  33. resnor

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    With all the tape out there this season of teams rushing 3 or 4 guys and getting fast pressure, why do you guys continue to demean the idea that teams are doing it? Really, why would any DC rush extra blitzers when he has tons of tape showing that 3 or 4 will get the job done, while allowing 7 or 8 to be in coverage?
     
  34. Fin-O

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    Cant hold my tongue....have you not paid attention to how many times we have been blitzed lately!!?? We had a team blitz the same CB 3 consecutive plays because A. We can't block it, and B. Ryan doesn't make you pay for blitzing.
     
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  35. Fin-O

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    Post from Mando's Pre gamer Sunday...shows how Ryan has faired when he is not being blitzed. He actually is a much better QB with those 7-8 in coverage.


    Tannehill? Not good, especially when teams apply blitz pressure. When blitzed, Tannehill has six touchdowns, five interceptions and has been sacked 14 times. When he isn't blitzed, Tannehill has thrown 11 TDs and 5 INTs with 16 sacks. That suggests a tough day against the New York Jets on Sunday because the Jets bring the heat.


     
  36. adamprez2003

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    yeah it does. I mean so far its two years in a row the front office agrees with us. Last year the big debate was the deep ball. The Tannehill defenders said Mike Wallace sucked and we needed someone who could adjust to a pass. This offseason bang wallace gone, stills is our new guy and everyone sees the improvement. you have people saying tannehill improved his deep ball. BS. What improved is having a receiver who sees the ball thrown then adjusts his route to the ball and one that doesnt hug the sideline an inch from the boundary like wallace used to do every time

    this year the tanny defenders said its the oline and the playcalling. boom. offensive coordinator finally fired. Guarantee you we will see at least two new, expensive offensive linemen protecting tanny next year

    tannenbaum is on our side
     
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  37. Nappy Roots

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    Its not about being able to remember what plays in what situations, its about understanding the situation. Pre-snap reads! Good Lord, there will be clear blitzers, and he stands back there and takes a sack rather then getting it out to his immediate read. Then the offensive line gets blamed because they didn't hold up well under the blitz.

    Well no ****. Neither does 99% of the leagues OLines. How about having a QB that can read whats going on presnap and figure out where his hot read is going. CLEARLY Ryan cannot handle doing that task.

    But you know...lets just continue to blame everyone else(not targeting you, Tannehill apologist all together)
     
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  38. Nappy Roots

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    Nice! So we will have 4 highly paid offensive lineman, and a 3rd year removed 1st round pick. Thats what it takes to keep that statue from leading the league in sacks. Brilliant.
     
  39. adamprez2003

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    damn straight its brilliant. you found your franchise QB now build him a wall to protect him. football 101
     
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  40. Nappy Roots

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    Franchise QBs don't need "walls" or 30 seconds of protection to win football games.

    Sounds like you just found an average QB and your goal is to surround him with greatness in order to make the team win.

    Which is fine. Just call a square a square.


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