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Breaking: Bill Lazor fired per SI

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Nov 30, 2015.

  1. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Did they even watch the game? What did he do for three quarters? What did he do with 3 great starting field positions at the beginning of the game? How many drops were on him? He nearly got two receivers injured, one actually was.

    There's a radio personality here in SFL called Big O. He calls Tannehill Tannekill. Know why? He gets pass catchers killed. Keller, career over. Sims, concussed. Matthews, likely broken ribs. Williams, hit right in the gut.


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  2. cbrad

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    I don’t remember exactly what I posted before, but here are updated correlations between wins and the described stat for all Dolphins games from 2012-2015:

    Offensive rushing yards: 0.449
    Offensive passing yards: 0.044
    Defensive rushing yards: -0.267
    Defensive passing yards: -0.004
    Dolphins rushing yards minus opponent rushing yards: 0.443
    Dolphins passing yards minus opponent passing yards: 0.033

    As a reminder, correlation ranges between 1 and -1. The closer to 1 means the more one stat varies the other stat does in the same direction, while closer to -1 means the more one stat varies the other stat does in the opposite direction. Correlation of 0 means they're statistically independent (variation in one has no effect on the other). So clearly what matters is offensive rushing yards, the difference between offensive rushing and defense rushing yards, and to a lesser degree defensive rushing yards by itself.


    Having said all that, let me repost some graphs I created in another thread that shows these aren’t really the right stats to look at anyway. While rushing yards seems to be far more important than passing yards for winning, passing efficiency is what really matters if you want to be a playoff team or Super Bowl winner.

    These graphs show rushing Y/A and passing Y/A in terms of standard deviations above or below the league average for playoff teams and the Super Bowl winner from 2002-2014. The league average (blue diamond) is at zero, the green circles are playoff teams, and the red circle is the Super Bowl winner:

    http://postimg.org/image/886p3gq8b/ (rushing Y/A)
    http://postimg.org/image/8d1tg0or3/ (passing Y/A)
    http://postimg.org/image/und4y7q31/ (opponent rushing Y/A)
    http://postimg.org/image/5vyp5vdmz/ (opponent passing Y/A)

    That clearly shows that what matters for playoff teams and Super Bowl winners is above average passing Y/A and above average defensive passing Y/A. Rushing efficiency, both on offense and defense doesn’t matter much.

    Here are some other graphs I created that show the difference between playoff and non-playoff teams:

    http://postimg.org/image/61s9vowrx/ (passing offense vs. passing defense for playoff teams)
    http://postimg.org/image/gcxs92957/ (passing offense vs. passing defense for non-playoff teams)

    Note how for pass offense vs. pass defense, the playoff teams tend to be in the upper left quadrant (efficient in both offense and defense) while non-playoff teams tend not to be in the upper left quadrant. The other combinations don't show as strong a difference:

    http://postimg.org/image/dn03l7955/ (passing offense vs. rushing defense for playoff teams)
    http://postimg.org/image/tasb9tn5h/ (passing offense vs. rushing defense for non-playoff teams)

    http://postimg.org/image/tcbpxp0or/ (rushing offense vs. passing defense for playoff teams)
    http://postimg.org/image/akdeq4nal/ (rushing offense vs. passing defense for non-playoff teams)

    http://postimg.org/image/yle3nfeah/ (rushing offense vs. rushing defense for playoff teams)
    http://postimg.org/image/7mh9hwk6b/ (rushing offense vs. rushing defense for non-playoff teams)
     
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  3. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Excellent information as usual. Definitely worth following.

    I'm thinking the playoff and Super Bowl teams likely already have good defense against the run at the very least because it's so easy to abuse teams when they don't.

    So, let's say we get at that point. You said passing yards per attempt are more important for playoff and Super Bowl teams. Tannehill's is atrocious throughout his career.


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  4. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    They watch every game and review actual game footage and each player. They give credit where credit is due and criticism as well. For instance, they were highly critical of Douglas at center and Stills at WR. Both were named as worst at their respective positions for the weekend games. They know what each player is supposed to be doing at the snap and grade them on what they actually did. You should try it sometime instead of ranting.

    And personally, I could give a **** what Big O thinks. He's a mouthpiece who does not watch film. Keller's career was ended by a low and direct hit on the knee by a guy known for such hits in Swearinger. Sims hit his head on the turf extending for a catch. Guys get hurt hitting their head on the turf at least once a game each weekend. Happened last night in the Browns game and Landry hurt his head in the last game on a tackle. Matthews was injured due to a "hit", not a guy trying to make a tackle or break up a pass attempt. It was a bad throw, but such throws happen with every QB under constant pressure. I thought the ref should have flagged the guy for a hit on a defenseless player, but whatever.

    YMMV.
     
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  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    PFF is a very flawed evaluation process. Has been since day 1. Fun to read though.
     
  6. brandon27

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    There's the problem with this "logic". Listen to some guys on the radio, or on tv that know what they're talking about, and that don't blab on to create drama on their shows to get people fired up, to help drive up their ratings.

    Someone, I think it was in this thread earlier said nobody says anything positive about Tannehill in the media... When you want to listen to a guy that most would probably classify as a radio/media personality, rather than a credible source of information, that's what you're going to get. Go listen to the guys that actually talk, study, and know football.

    Bob Papa and Solomon Wilcotts had a great chat on Sirius NFL radio this morning about Tannehill with some callers. It's refreshing to hear guys that played, and are around it constantly (Papa is a broadcaster for the Giants) speak and give their opinions on players. Both are of the opinion that Tannehill doesn't look great, but both attribute it to the lack of a running game, lack of an OL. Saying you can win with him, and you need to fix the mess around him first. We'll see if firing Lazor is the start to that. Know who else shares that opinion? Rich Gannon.

    On the other hand, Pat Kirwan yesterday, also on Sirius, stated that things might not be looking up right now for him. The decision needs to be made, ASAP because of that contract on whether its Tannehill, or the team around him. He gave the impression everything there is a mess. Inexperienced coach, fired OC now, non existent OL, inconsistent play due to the poor coaching... all making it very hard to make a decision. Kirwan also mentioned to the caller, how does he look when he has time? Can he make throws if guys are open. We've seen it, and we've seen struggles. How prepared is this guy? Or something to that effect... Kirwan also said... you've got a new head coach coming. If candidate #1 doesn't want to stick with Tannehill, you've got a lot to consider. He's stuck with him for the immediate future, but if the top guy on your list, doesn't think he's the guy, then you've got to take a look at yourselves as the FO with the player evaluation. Are you right on the player? Or is the coach right on the player? Or... are you right on the coach you're talking to being your #1.

    So, there's positivity, and negativity... but you're getting your information from a pretty poor source if that's what you want to listen to. A guy crafting up a lame nickname, to poorly describe a situation, to fire people up, and get ratings. Those guys make their livings off struggle sports teams, because it's an easy target audience to fire up and drive attention to yourself and your show by being controversial. It may make it entertaining, but it doesn't make for ammo for great football talk.
     
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  7. AdamC13

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    SB Winners = Offensively, since the merger of the league's in 1970, the average YPA is 7.61 and average rank is 6.80 in that category for that year. Defensively, the average YPA for opposing QBs is 6.32 and average rank is 6.73 in the category for that year.

    SB Losers = Offensively, the average YPA is 7.60 and average rank is 6.58. Defensively, the average YPA is 6.48 for opposing QBs and average rank is 9.31.
     
  8. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    This team is like a meatloaf we've re-warmed too many times, adding other leftover ingredients so it becomes a lesser and lesser version of itself.
     
  9. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    It'll also put you on the toilet for a couple hours on Sunday.
     
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  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    qb runs 10 times a game....our qb runs no times a game...maybe that will change now that lazor is gone...it needs to..
     
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  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    instincts for this game I do not correlate to intellect..intellect can obviously help in certain areas, but manipulating the pocket comes under the instincts umbrella..I believe part of what makes a good manipulator of the pocket is the ability to see your olineman get beat..there has to be a vision where your focus is on two things, you cannot ignore one over the other.
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ours is one that has big green peppers and big chunks of onion sticking out of it...
     
  13. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    It's more than that. They have a gamebreaker at the QB position. Let's not try to marginalize what Cam's doing with that juggernaut of an offensive roster they have.
     
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  14. cuchulainn

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    In fairness - when he has tried to run, it's the same story as with the passing game - either OL shats the bed in blocking assignments or it gets called back due to penalty on either the OL or the TEs for holding or illegal shifts. He'd have had what looked to be a very good game against the Cowboys if not for his surrounding cast constantly negating plays. (Thomas, Fox, Cameron, Sims).
     
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  15. jdang307

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    I take PFF ratings with a grain of salt, but their stats are a different matter.
     
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  16. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Same here.
     
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  17. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I'm not getting info from anybody. I have my own mind and my own eyes.


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  18. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill's career YPA is much lower, isn't it?


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  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Dude, you referenced the Big O as evidence of what Tannehill does badly. Can't really go back and say you only get info from your own eyes and mind.
     
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  20. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    It's not a reference for my info. It's a matter of fact statement for dramatic effect. Jesus Christ.


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  21. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's really not a matter of fact statement. I mean, sure, it's a fact that Big-O the big moron probably said it, but that's about it. There isn't really anymore fact to it. Although I'm pretty sure you've referenced RT by that name earlier in here or another thread as well. You also went on to explain it as to why... although I'm assuming (and hoping) those were this clown BigO's reasons for the nickname. All of which really prove there's no reason to listen to anything he has to say. Dramatic, or comedic, or seriously. It's just not worth it. He's not good at anything but being a jackass, and stirring the pot, and getting ratings. TBH... it's not even worth mentioning here IMO.
     
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  22. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Agreed. Citing Big O is like citing Miko as an actual authority, then feigning righteous indignation when questioned about it. They aren't subject matter expects, they're simply loudmouths.

    Like, agree, or disagree with PPF ratings or stats, at least they study the film and express why they formed their ratings and data. I've often watched games and thought one thing at the time, then reviewed the film and realized I was completely wrong. Too many people base opinions on what they saw live from a sideline angle in real time without being able to breakdown the film or review what was really happening. This isn't a defense of Tannehill, just saying there's a lot that we all miss with each player.
     
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  23. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. You'd be amazed at how many people watch broadcast footage live and come away thinking they know the details of what happened in the game.
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    lots of folks told me you cant win with that type of system and qb skill set..lots of folks..wilson already proved that wrong, newton working on the 2nd.
     
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  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the minimal attempts at running have been ill timed and totally inconsistent..thus making them futile...when they become part of the fabric of the gameplan then judge..
     
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  26. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    DJ, who told you that you couldn't win with that system? I think the argument was, that an all-time great defense and great running game made it so almost any QB could win, and masked deficiencies. Not to mention, an offense tailored around his strengths.
     
  27. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Who has an all time great defense??
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You wouldn't characterize the Seattle defense for his first three seasons as all-time great? K, maybe a bit of hyperbole, but they were the number one defense in the league, allowing like 16 ppg on average.
     
  29. Fin-O

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    I thought you were referring to Carolina who has a good defense but far from legendary.
     
  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    By the way, DAMN IT, Fin-O!! Your newfound posting style has forced me to take you off ignore!

    It's actually been pleasant conversing with you recently.

    LOL
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    lots of folks res [especially back in the day, like when kaepernik was coming out, then wilson}...''zone read was a gimmick offense, cant win with a qb getting that many carries, the pocket is where a qb has to eventually win from.''..I heard it all...now there were some Cam newton fans like CK and others who believed in the guys skill set and thought he was worthy of that #1 overall..

    I dont like the guy personally, couldn't stand his personality coming out, but I'm on record saying if he dropped I wouldn't be able to resist the skill set.

    I'm also on record saying i didn't think his pocket skills would be enough to make him complete, but what I underestimated, was his ability to read defense at the los..he's pretty damn innately inaccurate, but he works off the zone read so well, their so balanced, he threatens a defense with his legs so well, he's hardly ever put in a traditional type pocket setting where he has to throw a lot consecutively, first team that can stop the legs, I'm sure they will see him resort to something that aint pretty, problem is, his legs are setting up the pass..and thats pretty freakin cool...
     
  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I dont know what you mean when you ''the offense was tailored around his strengths''....am I supposed to take points away from him for that..

    our offense should be tailored around ryans strengths, but they haven't been since he came into the league..
     
  33. WhiteIbanez

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    Lazor went rogue lately? Does that shock anyone really?
    He told us Tannehill had full control. His lying ego made him believe that. Billy boy can burn in hell.
    Ryan went backwards this season folks. There is something to this. Campbell got screwed.
    He never had a chance. His previous boss saw to that.
     
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  34. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Nothing feels better than a solid backhanded compliment. :knucks:
     
  35. resnor

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    No, it's not a knock. It's an advantage.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    my bad, as in ryan has never had that....yes I will agree with that, ryan has never been properly exploited..

    prez will come in here and say, '' the pocket is where he will win from, screw the running, I dont want him bailing, I want him standing tall, stare down that Farrell, thats not what wins, the almighty pocket is where it all happens...all the while were 4 and 7 and have gone four years without coming close to the playoffs..

    that type of mentality is partly whats going wrong around here, which is to ignore the qbs true entire skill set, and make him try to be something else..year 5 coming up.
     
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  37. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    So, my question to the board is this...is Taylor going to rely more on Miller and the ground game moving forward?
     
  38. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I can't mention a funny nickname of Tannehill that has truth to it. Cover your eyes next time I post it.


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  39. finsfandan

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    I just noticed a few posts complaining about me mentioning something Big O says.

    Some of you have said that I use him for info to try to belittle my intelligence. It's a joke. Tannekill is a joke, but like a lot of jokes, there's truth to it.

    Sorry, but it's true. Keller's career is over. Sims was concussed going after a bad pass. Matthews likely has broken ribs going after a ball that shouldn't have been thrown. The Williams one is debatable but I believe that was also a poor decision.

    Get over it. Big O is fun to listen to and I'm gonna keep calling Tannehill Tannekill. Big O isn't an authority, I don't learn about football from him, he's just fun to listen to. That's all.


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  40. Rocky Raccoon

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    Definitely. We need balance to be most effective.
     

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