Even when factoring those in hard not come out of it realizing Wilson is a stud. He certainly hasn't had a decent group of WRs to throw to. His senior season in college he transferred to a new school (Wisconsin) and the team voted him a team captain before the season even started, now that is leadership. All did was respond by putting up the all-time highest single season college QB rating and a trip to the Rose Bowl (losing to Oregon 45-38). A record he still holds. 48-19 record (6-2 in playoffs) as a starter in the NFL, 2 trips to the Super Bowl including 1 win, 99.5 QB rating, 17 GWD including 2 in the playoffs and the kid is only in his 4th year. Really, what's not to like? On his way to being an all-time great if he keeps this up for another 10 years.
wilson..= best playmaker in the game...ryan..0 ...of course there would be a difference..come on Piston, you know this..wilson is a great player, a proven player, from the pocket and from an improv angle.
Who is? Ryan lovers have attempted to belittle other superior QB's by claiming it was their surroundings and not them that was the reason for their success. Just another failed argument. Would Ryan benefit from that defensive help?? Yes, but so would any QB in the league so thats silly to use as an outlet for an unsuccessful 4 seasons from Ryan.
The wilson debate is soooooooo over it aint even funny...folks holding onto the overrated term are either jealous or holding onto their college eval.
Ironically, I think the Jax game best exemplifies why I think Tannehill will never be the answer at QB for Miami: Even when Tannehill has what is considered a "good" game for him, Miami only puts up 20 points against a porous defense currently ranked 29th in the league in points allowed (27.2) and FAILED to score in the 4th quarter (5 drives amassing 39 total yards) as the score was tied 20-20 to start. Then after Jax takes the lead and Miami gets the ball on the 20 with 40 seconds to go and no timeouts, Tannehill misses an open Matthews on the sideline and instead spots and passes the ball to Landry who is in the middle of the field at the 29 yard line and two defenders right there. Landry had no chance to make it to the sideline and is easily tackled. Miami wastes 14 seconds by the time they are able to spike the ball and essentially the game is over. That 9 yard pass, imo, summed up Tannehill in a nutshell...lack of game awareness or just clueless, lack of field awareness missing Matthews on the sidelines, poor decision-making throwing the ball to Landry instead of throwing it away, anti-clutch, weak leadership, and I could say more...that was a throw I remember yelling at the TV, "A F'ing high school QB knows not to make that throw in that context!"...but heck, at least he was able to add to his statistics on that 9 yard pass. And I am VERY confident in saying that play wasn't the fault of Philbin, Lazor, our OL, our WRs or our D. That is just who Tannehill is.
Looking at Ryan's career stats he goes from a solid QB to one of the worst Qbs in the league when......its 3rd down, 4th qtr and vs divisional opponents and in December... Some pretty GD crucial moments.. Something like that its hard to blame everything around him like some prefer to do....as we sit here today we certainly do NOT have a franchise QB in a Miami Dolphins uniform.
Then for the hell of it I look up Russel Wilson and see he elevates his play in the 4th qtr, 3rd down, and vs divisional opponents and has a 100.7 qb rating in December. This shnit is depressing.
Who, Wilson? http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015112910/2015/REG12/steelers@seahawks I seriously can't believe we are debating Wilson. Wilson is better than Tannehill. By a country mile. It's not even close. Wilson is a stud and owner of the 2nd highest QB rating of all time (yes I know, post-2004 inflation). Would he win a super bowl here? Naw, our team is crappy. But Wilson would do better here, and Tanny would do MUCH worse there. There is no debate.
That was the only game. I have a hard time believing it would be much worse with Tannehill in Seattle.
So now the OL blocks worse than normal on 3rd down and in the 4th qtr?? Sounds silly, they pretty much suck throughout the game. In those situations Ryan just flat out is terrible, really no polite way to say it.
Ryan would be sacked at an even higher rate in Seattle, you basically admitted this yesterday. And you are correct, due to skill set.
He might be sacked more, or maybe not, due to having coordinators who would call to his strengths. Like, if he had coordinators routinely rolling him out, etc, his sack rate might be lower here. Which, if then in Seattle, if they have a worse line, you may see an increase, but maybe not that much worse. It's ask purely speculation, though. But, yes, he can't function like Wilson behind a bad line, as far as escaping. The oline certainly seems to find a way to play even worse than usual whend behind in the fourth quarter. Let's recall, Tannehill actually has pretty good numbers when playing with a lead in the fourth. It's not like fourth quarter is so crap for him. He's struggled, as has the entire team.
Not, its crap. His rating drops higher in the fourth than any other quarter...he has only 18 pass attempts while leading with less than 4 minutes. Not exactly a huge sample size. I feel like you are getting defensive like I'm "shi--ing on Ryan" when in reality Iam simply showing that in the most critical of times be it a 3rd down, 4th qtr, div game or December the dude just comes up way short. I recognize he is at an overall disadvantage due to the OL, but I gave you an example of a QB with an even worse rated OL (whatever thats worth) who's game elevates in the most crucial of times. I take zero joy in being right about Ryan's struggles, like many I thought he was ready to make a huge jump as a QB....I was wrong and it's disappointing.
Whatever the effects are of coaching, OL, etc.. on Tannehill, they're not hugely different in clutch situations. The OL makes life hard on Tannehill in many non-clutch situations right? Coaching is a problem not just on 3rd down or when down in the 4th quarter. I think it's very difficult to ascribe most of the blame for Tannehill's "clutch" stats to others when those others are influencing his play in both clutch and non-clutch situations. Just my opinion, but I think the default argument here (for the difference between clutch vs. non-clutch stats) is it's mostly an indication of something about Tannehill, not his supporting cast.
I just think that there's so much dysfunction on the offense in general, that it suggests to me that Tannehill looks worse than he really is. Again, though, if you want to direct all resources to getting an elite QB, you'll get no argument from me. I've been advocating this year to try trading Tannehill, something I've never said before the last week. If we could get a second, I'd be all for grabbing a rookie in the draft. Honestly, I don't think they could do much worse, and they'd be much cheaper. I do think Tannehill can be successful, though.
bottom line, it is a level of performance achieved that went against all that have been bashing the dude...time to move on..rewatch, watch the individual plays add up..now you know what you can count on from his position..lou rawls and alec baldwin were his biggest weapons.. lockett is a lil beast though.
Ryan Tannehill's numbers in December are better than his numbers in September, and they're not "worst in the league" numbers. In December he has 21 TD and 10 INT. Worst in the league? Not even close. DJ Ryan Tannehill scoffs at your attempt.
Ryan my brotha.....when I say amongst the worst in the league I mean in those crucial situations as a whole, not at each individual breakdown. And you are correct Ryan, you are worse in Sept, my mistake. Although you still are -avg qtr in DEC. What you been doing with that 90M contract those morons gave you? Tell Lauren I said hey.
As Miami is 7-8 in games Tannehill started in December. Miami averages 17.87 PPG under Tannehill in December. The offense has scored 16 points or less in 8 of the 15 games. That is just soooooo Tannehill.
Lolllll of ALL the people you've been debating with, you decide to use ME as being Ryan Tannehill? Really? If you haven't noticed, I'm taking this argument light-hearted. Hence the picture. This has been going on for weeks and nothing has changed. It's funny to me now and I'm embracing it. Either you believe in him or you don't. No one is changing anyone's minds.
You talk all day about the Oline yet their oline has been terrible. There was analysis done showing Wilson faced more rushers per pass attempt, and his time to throw has been at, around, and worse than Tannehill. In 2013 essentially their whole oline was injured. Imagine Tannehill behind that line throwing to Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse. He'd be ded.
Whats with the oversensitivity on this site lately? Is it the Holidays?? I was replying to the guy in the pictures you posted not calling YOU Ryan Tannehill.
Cool. Now tell me how many points we've given up in December. Last year: 13. 28. 41. 35. 37. That's 30.8 points a game. Throw records at me all you want. Football is a team game. Which is something that's been said here for weeks now. Seriously, how do you guys have the energy to keep this going? We are literally stating the same things over and over again.
To be fair that wasn't clear from your posts. I mean, we're entering silly season when you're talking to a photo posted on a forum ...
Just saw a sequence of pics of the guy and ran with it. Do you think he is engaging in relations with Lauren as we speak? If so, I wonder if she is on top. Thoughts? Nice visual atleast? Amiright?
Lol...when all else fails blame the defense. Have you noticed yet that the only posts that don't get involved in the back-and-forth are ones along the lines of, "What about when Tannehill carried this team to the playoffs" or "What about these games that Tannehill stepped it up in the 4th quarter" or "What about these games when Tannehill won it on a last second drive" or "What about Tannehill being in the top 10..."?
Exactly. Which has been a major part of the back and forth. It's literally the same thing over and over. Just different words.
And Tannehill has won what? 5 games on a last second drive? He's had what? Another 2 or 3 to tie the game? Not exactly bad.
Yeah, I'm with jdang for the most part. Cute girl but not my cup of tea. Wayyyyy too skinny. Plus, it's 11. He's been sleeping for like 2 or 3 hours. He told Dan Patrick he goes to sleep at like 8:30.
Something I just saw when examining Ryans splits.... He is much better when under Center, his YPA is 8, he has a 96.3 QBR 18 Tds and 3 Ints and we are talking a good sample size. Yet he has been put in the shotgun 3X as much as he has been Under center. He also is a totally different QB on 2nd 4-9 tallying 17 Tds and only 2 INT's..... You guys see where Im going with this? Lineup and run the ball on 1st down then keep your QB under center and from the looks of things we have a whole different QB. I said earlier how I thought he would thrive with Norv Turner and that MIN offensive scheme....this just confirmed it. So yea , Zac (not you RR) if you are reading this? Listen to FinO and use this information to your advantage.
I have been wondering why Lazor ran shotgun so much, thought maybe it was an attempt to buy Ryan more time from the rush. Send like all it does, though, is further take away the threat of the run, since our runs out of shotgun were horrible.
And Bill Lazor was having him receive shotgun snaps from a guy who COULDN'T SNAP THE BALL IN SHOTGUN. It's kind of funny how much I had soured on Lazor. First play of the game and I saw we were in shotgun and I actually got angry.
