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How far in draft did we fall

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I am to lazy to look it up but anybody know how far the win dropped us in draft?
    Its crazy how bad the league is this year I know we were 6th pick going into today but everybody is so jumbled together this year.4 games to go a couple of meaningless wins can really screw our draft spot up.I would rather go 0-4 and pick in top 10 or lower.
     
  2. cbrad

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    10 teams with 4 wins or less, and 4 other teams with 5 wins that could potentially go before us (excepting whoever wins the NFC East), so we pick between 11-15 right now.

    Since the season's over.. hopefully we end up with a top 10 pick. Maybe we could draft a good QB then.
     
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  3. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    10-15 range right now. Believe it or not there are a big handful of teams worse than us.
     
  4. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of things. You'd think it would but with our history, it really doesn't matter.


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  5. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    I agree. That's why i'm always opposed to tanking esp. in football. A good GM will scout the best players for the NFL regardless of where we pick. Tannebaum needs to do his job. But like most of this team I have no faith in him either.
     
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  6. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    That's right. Good players slip in every NFL draft too. We don't have much to judge Hickey on though.


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  7. CitizenSnips

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    This thread literally exists to potentially complain about us winning a game.

    You guys deserve a worse team.
     
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  8. cbrad

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    We deserve a better team. It would make such a thread unnecessary.

    And I'm happy to see the team win more games. This thread is a consolation in case we lose more.
     
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  9. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    They want a better draft pick to potentially benefit their team. Do you get that? They want their team to be better off.


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  10. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    You don't. You want the team to suck so you can continue your "woe is me" shtick. The team owes you nothing.
     
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  11. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Woe is me? Why do you insist on personally attacking me? I already reported you and the mods deleted your posts.

    All I said was the Dolphins have been a source of sadness my entire life because I'm only 23 and have never seen anything to be happy about. I'm not depressed, my happiness doesn't depend on them. You don't like me so you're spinning what I said to attack me.

    Please block me, I can't do it from this app.

    I hope the mods ban you for repeating this.


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  12. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    Is that possible?

    No hope at the playoffs. No hope at the top pick. Don't even have a QB on the bench worthy of starting a controversy over, so hopeless there too.
     
  13. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Wow really!So going 6-10-8-8 is really that important to you?I unlike you am sick of this mediocre crap season we have every year!Who know maybe a better draft slot will help draw a better coach than joe philbin types we have had the last 7 or 8 years.
    I am sure you are one of the people that wanted to win when we were 0-7 instead of losing out and getting andrew luck.
     
  14. yoge

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    We wont be in the spot to take the best QB available. Many teams have worse records than us and need a QB as well.
     
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  15. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    You are probally right about that.
     
  16. dullfandan

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    I'm pretty sure if we had the #1 overall they would not draft a qb
     
  17. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I think if we want to draft a quarterback, there will be options in the second round or third if that's what we choose to do. I still think we go BPA which will no doubt also be a need. I'll be dissapointed if we reach for a quarterback and once again pass on a Luke Kuechley. There just aren't really any surefire QBs in this draft. Each one that is considered a high ranking prospect has flaws that we already complain about with Tannehill. Honestly I think Tannehill is better than what's available in this draft QB wise. That doesn't mean we should pass on one in the other rounds though. If Goff/Hackenburg are sitting there in the next round when we pick you almost have to pull the trigger on one of them, but I feel like our first should be the most talented football player available and I don't think it'll be a quarterback.
     
  18. Shane Falco

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    Yeah. The Colts look awesome these days lmao


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  19. AdamC13

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    Had Miami lost yesterday they would currently be in position to draft #5. Having won they are currently in position to draft #12.
     
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    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2015/12/6/9859838/2016-nfl-draft-order-cleveland-browns-no-1



    **** man....if Tucker makes that kick there's a chance we could be 5th right now SMH
     
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  21. AdamC13

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    Three teams ahead of Miami in the draft I believe would take Lynch if he is available...Cleveland, Dallas, SF...Cleveland is currently slotted with the #1 pick. QB position is so valuable a lot of times players get drafted higher than their value so Goff, Cook and/or Doughty may be off the board as well.
     
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  23. Kud_II

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    I remember sitting through every game of that 1-15 season. Never again please God.
     
  24. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    If you're not first, you're last.


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  25. brandon27

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    But in the draft, if you're last, you were first.

    :lol:

    I really want to be last in the draft in the first round.
     
  26. finsfandan

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    Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to draft last? And not because of a trade lol


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  27. pumpdogs

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    The Dolphins are the first in a group of six with 5-7 records, too. That’s due to their odoriferous strength of schedule percent of .474 – the lowest of any team in the top 15 of the draft, meaning the bottom 15 of the standings. In other words, they’re playing as easy a schedule as anyone that’s bad.

    You have to try to win, of course. No one’s saying to tank, though the “Suck for Luck” idea does have its merits as history shows. If the Dolphins go to 6-7 against the Giants this coming game, for instance, they could drop out of the Top 15 of the draft altogether.

    That would really pain this season in depressing colors. Bad-to-mediocre on the field. And a mid-round draft pick. Here is the Top 15 of the draft with four games to go (via NFL.com):

    1. Cleveland: 2-10 (.531 strength of schedule)
    2. Tennessee: 3-9 (.495 SOS)
    3. San Diego: 3-9 (.526 SOS)
    4. Dallas: 3-8 (.532 SOS)
    5. Jacksonville: 4-8 (.484 SOS)
    6. Baltimore: 4-8 (.502 SOS)
    7. New Orleans: 4-8 (.521 SOS)
    8. San Francisco: 4-8 (.526 SOS - 3-7 in conference)
    9. Detroit: 4-8 (.526 SOS - 3-5 in conference)
    10. St. Louis: 4-8 (.529 SOS)
    11. Miami Dolphins: 5-7 (.474 SOS)
    12. New York Giants: 5-7 (.500 SOS)
    13. Oakland: 5-7 (.510 SOS)
    14. Philadelphia: 5-7 (.511 SOS)
    15. Chicago: 5-7 (.529 SOS)
     
  28. The_Dark_Knight

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    Some of you guys put way too much stock in the value of a top 10 pick in the draft. Don't have the time to look it up, but over the last 10-15 years, how many top 10 draft picks are either still in the league or more importantly, have made a significant impact on the success of their team(s)?

    If having a top 10 draft pick was that important; that significant, then the Detroit Lions should be the be all, end all MONSTER of the NFL. For a decade they had a top 10 draft pick in nearly every draft and where are they now?

    Don't get me wrong, the draft is important. There are college players coming out that have the potential to make a significant impact on the teams in which they are drafted, but the success or failure of these draftees doesn't fall upon which round or which overall pick they are. It falls on the coaching staff of the team in which they are drafted. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it over and over...the most important players on any team is the coaching staff.
     
  29. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Some of you guys put way too much stock in the value of a top 10 pick in the draft. Don't have the time to look it up, but over the last 10-15 years, how many top 10 draft picks are either still in the league or more importantly, have made a significant impact on the success of their team(s)?

    If having a top 10 draft pick was that important; that significant, then the Detroit Lions should be the be all, end all MONSTER of the NFL. For a decade they had a top 10 draft pick in nearly every draft and where are they now?

    Don't get me wrong, the draft is important. There are college players coming out that have the potential to make a significant impact on the teams in which they are drafted, but the success or failure of these draftees doesn't fall upon which round or which overall pick they are. It falls on the coaching staff of the team in which they are drafted. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it over and over...the most important players on any team is the coaching staff.
     
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  30. pumpdogs

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    Well here is 3 recent top 10 picks off top of my head,Luck,bortles,mariota.Now if you want to judge dolphin top 10 picks you might be on to something.
     
  31. Finster

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    You both have valid points, TDK is right, you don't need a top pick to draft well, when's the last time the Pats or Steelers drafted in the top 10, and conversely bad teams are always drafting top 10, but Pdogs also has a good point, if you want to draft a QB, being in the top of the draft helps a lot, most QBs do come out of the top of the draft, not all, but most.
     
  32. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Of course coaching is most important but drafting has its importance as well.


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  33. pumpdogs

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    I guess it's no secret I would like a new Qb.
     
  34. Puka-head

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    For all ya'll that think we need to draft a QB first round I'll just say this.

    I noticed that your boots are on fire but you really should be worried about that hair!
     
  35. finsfandan

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    I'm definitely not for drafting a QB this offseason. Would it really kill us to chill with Moore and rebuild for a few years? Brady is still in the league, you know. Might as well get ready for when he finally declines.


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  36. mlb1399

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    Once you have a franchise QB, it's a completely different strategy. Rarely do the top QB prospects fall out of the top 10 although both Pittsburgh and NE are exceptions to that rule. Once you have that position set, then it's about accumulating as much talent as you can around them. That's why I think GB and NE trade down so much. Getting a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder by trading down or out of the first increases your hit percentage because now you have 2 players out of 1 pick.
     
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  37. Sceeto

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    Yeah, that sucks. Lynch certainly will be gone. Funny how all of the teams with high draft picks need a QB. :wink2:
     
  38. The_Dark_Knight

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    I've made my point concerning the draft but I really truly think that before anyone starts looking at the draft and which player we should or shouldn't draft, I really think we should putting the focus on which head coach we're going to try and get first and foremost. Until we know who is going to captain this ship, the draft is light years down the road. Allow me to elaborate.

    There's been scuttlebutt of going after Sean Peyton in the offseason. Let's say for the sake of conversation that comes to pass and he's our next head coach. There will be much rejoicing, Dolphins fans will lose up to 10lbs each from all the jumping up and down, etc, etc, etc...Peyton comes in, evaluates the offense and says "No, believe me, Tannehill has what it takes to quarterback this team, we need to bolster the OL, or WR or TE...whatever. Who are we to argue with that? Isn't that the reason we went out to get this particular coach? So he could duplicate his success here in Miami?

    But on the other side of the coin, if Peyton were to say, "Tannehill doesn't have what it takes to run my style of offense, we need to get "this QB" in the offseason" and he's overruled, a la Nick Saban again because the front office would rather go after "that" player instead, then fans would have a legitimate reason to complain.

    Bottom line, before we look at the draft we need to get the coaching staff in place and quickly following the end of the season and build the team around them. Two examples of how having a great player and the wrong coaching staff devastate your team.

    Peyton Manning; Under John Fox, the Broncos were in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl...offensive juggernaut. Denver fires Fox and brings in Kubiak. Offense is nowhere to be found and this is well before Manning was injured
    Ndomakong Suh; In Detroit, he was a offense's nightmare, reaking havoc. Under Philbin/Coyle, Suh was nothing more than a large body on the field. At least now, he's being unleashed more so than he had when he first arrived here.

    As for the flip side of that coin, where just the head coach himself turns a team around? Jim Harbaugh in San Francisco. He inherited the same team that Mike Singletary had and for 3 of the next four years, San Francisco was in the NFC Championship and the Super Bowl.

    Want to focus on the draft? Focus on drafting our next head coach.
     
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  39. Brasfin

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    No idea why you guys are in love with Andrew Luck. Tannehill is having a very bad year and yet Luck, in the games that he has played, has been even worse. If you are so sure Tannehill is not the answer, what makes you so sure that Luck is?
     
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