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*Official Week 13 Game Thread: Ravens at Dolphins*

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rocky Raccoon, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. Finster

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    LOL, I was defending the throw, wakie wakie, eggs and bakie.
     
  2. SuhMe

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    "I don't think it was a great throw", "Tanny didn't hit him in stride", great job of defending the throw. You're being critical, on a great throw, but what else is new, don't even care anymore. I bet when we moved Suh to end and he walked the LT back into the QB you probably found a problem with that too, didn't get there fast enough or something lol.
     
  3. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Probably the main reason i'm tapering off of sports forum. They are a sieve of negativity and it honestly just depresses me at this point. Nobody is happy even when we win, even when Tannehill connects with Parker. SMH.
    You try to add input and make a suggestion and people post sarcastic hateful memes or they flat out insult you, rather than just keeping it cool and civil. All good, I thought it was an amazing play, Parker looks like he's a star in the making. Sleeper fantasy draft pick certainly for next season.
     
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  4. Rock Sexton

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    What the hell is there to be happy about? We just squeaked by one of the worst teams in football right now in what is essentially a meaningless victory. That TD pass was the lone play amongst a big steaming pile of crap that was the passing game yesterday.

    Rational people understand how "empty" the win really was. Dolphin fans unhappy watching the same mediocre results season after season need to keep raising their voices with their displeasure.
     
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    people are also forgetting the 20+mph wind yesterday, so that throw was with a 20mph wind which probably why it was a little high. but again, you want to throw high to parker in that situation anyway.
     
  6. SuhMe

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    The defense played great and DeVante Parker finally broke out. Sure the offense still sucks, but to call this an "empty" win truly shows just what kind of a fan you really are.
     
  7. Rock Sexton

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    I'm sure you're the type content with participation ribbons, but it's empty until the team is actually CONTENDING for division titles and playoff spots.

    Btw, Devante Parker had 63 yards and a TD. You call that breaking out? Against one of the most piss poor pass defenses in the league? My god some fans around here are happy with mediocrity. Crackers must taste like prime rib.
     
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  8. SuhMe

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    Every game in the NFL matters, there are no meaningless games if you're a true die hard fan which you're obviously not. And sure Parker's stat line against a weak defense on paper isn't great, but to not look at that 1 play and think this is why we drafted the guy and get excited about his potential, well that's where we differ in opinions and that's why I call it a break out game. His potential was revealed, even if only for a brief moment, that alone makes this more than an "empty" win, imo at least.
     
  9. Rock Sexton

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    "Potential" ..... that word has been abused enough over the last decade in regards to various players on this ball club. It's Dolphins fans' crack cocaine.

    Please enlighten me on what the win achieved in the grand scheme of things. We hold no tie-breakers over any of the other teams in the playoff hunt. All this does is keep us on track for another near .500 season. That makes you happy as a fan? It's not like they're building great momentum that could carry over into 2016.
     
  10. SuhMe

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    I'm happy we won against a bad team and DeVante finally flashed his potential. You obviously aren't, but I rather enjoyed yesterday's game to be quite honest, especially the effort by the front 4.
     
  11. Finster

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    Wow, you sure go on quite a bit for someone who doesn't care.

    I had no problem with the throw, so nice try there, I already said I thought it was a really good throw.
     
  12. SuhMe

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    Except for when you said what I quoted. How could you say you had no problem with the throw when you literally said, "I don't think it was a great throw", "Tanny didn't hit him in stride". Nice try though, unbelievable logic.
     
  13. Finster

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  14. brandon27

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    My only stance on it... is likely this...

    He's got a lot to work on. The on field performance is... overall... declining this year. There's still skills, and potential there to work with. We've got another year before we can get out of that deal basically, so... you find competition, and you work on it. It's unlikely you move him any other way at this point. I don't think it's impossible stuff to work on given a stronger OL, and a coaching staff that may actually be capable of winning at this level. He hasn't done himself any favors, but neither has the team.

    I agree... as I said.. It's a good throw. It's one that you expect NFL QB's to make. So is the Gabbert throw, since that guy is wide open basically. I just don't see the argument between the two, and the reason for some to say it's not an easy throw, or to compare it to another throw. It's just... senseless.

    It's obviously safe to say, at this point he hasn't become who we hoped he'd be. I'm also not ready to write that project off yet. That's the job for the next HC IMO... while giving him free reign to have a QB of his choosing in here as well to compete likely in the event it doesn't work, and there's a pretty good chance of that by the looks of things.
     
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  15. SuhMe

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    Exactly, you said you had no problem with the throw, after just b****** about it. Too f****** hilarious. Remind me again how Suh sucks against the run and isn't an elite pass rusher lmfao. I'm sure that's what Baltimore's LT was thinking when Suh was pushing his *** str8 into Schaub's face.
     
  16. Finster

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    Oh man, I LOVE how you dropped that bit about McCoy too.

    :yes:
     
  17. SuhMe

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    Not worth debating with an idiot. Everyone knows Suh is better than McCoy and it reflects in how they are paid by NFL GM professionals. But I'm sure you think you know more than them, so why even bother debating with someone as obtuse as you. And yea you had no problem with the throw, except for all the things you b**** about like the timing and what not, idiot. Suh btw has 45 tackles this year, compared to McCoy's 24. McCoy is such a beast omg (just not statistically) lol.
     
  18. finsfandan

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    You're wrong. I've already disproven this. Read my previous post where there's two videos on the Parker catch.

    The reason I brought it up is because somebody claimed Gabbert couldn't make the Parker throw. He can.

    Everybody that wants to spin what I'm saying into complaining about the TD is ignorant. Everybody that claims I'm not a fan because I know we should've lost that game if not for terrible officiating is ignorant. Everybody that wants to claim those things make me not a true fan is ignorant. Don't even bother, you're just a blind homer if you claim any of this.

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  20. brandon27

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    How exactly am I wrong in assessing both plays as throws NFL QB's should be making? I don't need to watch a video to compare the two. It's pointless. I'm also not sure how I can be wrong, when I'm not even really making an attempt to be right, or wrong about anything. :lol:

    Whoever said Gabbert can't make that throw, I don't know what to tell them either.

    Personally, I don't believe that Gabbert is any better than Tannehill. They both are young QB's, struggling to find consistency over their careers. They have the talent to make NFL throws, they just haven't put it all together based on numerous factors. They're both in the same boat, Gabbert has already reached backup status, and Tannehill, if he keeps going the way he's trending, is going to be there as well.

    I don't care what anyone is claiming about you. Really, I don't. I haven't spun anything...

    So, I'm a blind homer now? Because I said it was a good throw from Tannehill, placed where it needed to be? Christ, look at Matthew Stafford. What's he do with his big, tall, long armed WR, you know... Calvin Johnson? Every throw to Calvin is a vicinity type play. That's the benefit you give your QB with a WR with that body type. That's why guys like that at the WR position are so coveted... the throw doesn't have to be perfect. The further downfield you throw, the less accurate guys become. They become vicinity plays, and you hope the WR can adjust and make a play on the ball. The Tannehill/Parker play is a play that illustrates that. The ball is in a spot only Parker can get it, maybe a touch too high, but that's what you do with big guys like that. Throw it up, let them use their body and frame to make the play. The Gabbert throw is a nicely thrown deep ball. I mean, they're both good throws. Great. If you're comparing them, because someone brought up that point, then so be it. I'm just saying, it doesn't make much sense to criticize one, and say one is harder than the other. They're both throws that NFL QB's need to make regularly to be successful, and we have an example of two QB's who have been inconsistent at those types of plays, making them. It doesn't make one better than the other when referencing the throw, or the QB. I'm agreeing with you, that the play by Tannehill, is fairly routine for most NFL Qb's. I won't agree with anyone though that wants to say it's not a good or tough throw. Much like I won't agree with anyone who says the Gabbert one isn't. Theyre plays that routinely get made by NFL QB's, plays that both of these guys have struggled to make for various reasons.

    As for the last paragraph... May I suggest handling criticism or differing opinions better? Just because someone quotes a post of yours, then gives a counter, or an opinion of their own doesn't mean they are twisting around your point or whatever you think is happening. Do you think we're just all supposed to sit back, and believe you, because... you said so. That defeats the purpose of everything we do here. All I've seen you do since yesterday's game ended is boast that you're supposedly right about something, and complain about being personally attacked all the time when someone disagrees with your opinion, and tell people to block you. It's gotten really old, really fast IMO. Also, I've never once claimed you're not a true fan or anything of that nature... just stop it. Obviously you are, or you wouldn't be here, just like all of us.
     
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  21. finsfandan

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    TLDR. You're ranting. Address the previous videos in my post if you care to debate the throws, I don't care to anymore. I believe it was Muskrat that made the claim that Gabbert couldn't make that TD throw to Parker.

    As for the third paragraph, it wasn't directed at you in particular. I'm sure you know people hurl personal insults at me and others all the time based on those things I've said.


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  22. brandon27

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    That's my point though, I don't care in debating the throws more than I already have. The bottom line to me, they are both somewhat tough, but both are throws that both guys should routinely be making. That probably goes for any NFL QB should be making those.

    I hear you, you've taken a decent beating. My honest opinion... I don't think its' because of your view on Tannehill. There's plenty of people here who agree with your stance on him, it's just how you present it sometimes, and how you react to those differing opinions.

    TLDR... is a perfect example... you come across as wanting to only hear what you have to say, not anyone else. So of course, you're going to rub people the wrong way. Especially those who have a strong opinion on the issue either way. If you want people to respect your opinion, you damn well should read what others have to say.

    Personally, I couldn't care less about the Tannehill issue anymore. I'm comfortable with my assessment of him. I think that assessment is in line with the team's thought process on him at this point based on their reaction. Am I happy with his production, and progression, of course not. Who could be? Whatever happens, happens, I just want the damn Dolphins to win.
     
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  23. finsfandan

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    Yeah, I shouldn't say TLDR or that you're ranting. It was a long post, but I get your point. I apologize for that. Believe it or not I listen to what everybody has to say. I just didn't want to read your long post when you could've misinterpreted my post as being directed towards you.

    Let's agree to disagree on Tannehill. Posters have been arguing about this since he was drafted. I know I have (outside of this forum, only been a member on and off for a year).

    I'm glad that you acknowledge I take a beating here and it wears on me a bit dealing with all the negativity. I'm sure others believe I'm the negative one but it's just a vicious circle.


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  24. brandon27

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    I don't think we need to agree to disagree. I think we mostly agree. We just probably don't agree on the reasons why, and where to go from here, and if it's at all salvageable. I just don't care to argue it, especially as braindead as some of these debates tend to get. :lol:

    I pay attention to a lot that goes on, I may not chime in, but I see it. Like I said though, I think you bring a lot of it onto yourself. You bring good points at times, they may not be agreed with, but there's nothing wrong with that, it's how you handle it, and how others handle it that makes it an issue.

    I've got nothing against you, I'm just trying to help. I think Greg pointed it out in a different thread, or maybe this one. The stance you some have on Tannehill isn't necessarily the problem. It's how it's discussed that's the problem. You and I had a back and forth on an issue (I can't even remember at this point) and it got a bit.. (heated? I dunno lol) but there's nothing wrong with that. That's the point of being here. To discuss and debate, but it works both ways. I enjoyed the conversation though... so I'm just saying, you might think you're getting attacked (some may make it personal calling you a troll etc.), but you have to understand, a disagreement isn't an attack... and when sometimes, some people say the same thing over, and over, especially after a game... people get upset by it.

    Anyways... it's all good man. It's all good.
     
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  25. finsfandan

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    Yeah, I'd thank your post if I could from Tapatalk. It shows the function, it displays on the post when I click it, but it doesn't remain when I check again.

    Believe me, I have no issue with heated debates. It's the people that I addressed in that third paragraph. I'm told I'm not a fan, that I'm illiterate (don't know how that one began), that I want the team to suck so I can victimize myself, you name it. You're not the problem.


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  26. brandon27

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    It's all good, tapatalk can be a pain. Not a big deal.

    You have every right to be bothered by those types. Don't blame you. I know the powers that be around here try and weed them out as time goes on, so that's a good thing.

    I just think we'll all be better off in the long run understanding that we don't all agree, and that's ok. We just ALL need to remember that once in a while.
     
  27. Fin-O

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    Must be the name, but you spot on


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  28. MikeHoncho

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    Is this like a Tyler Durden situation?


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  29. Fin-O

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    Who is that? A guy named Tyler is suspect imo


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  30. finomenal

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    Haha thanks. It's a play on words, hoping that the Dolphins (fins) would become phenomenal. Silly me. :)

    lmeister,

    Your avatar looks familiar. I'm pretty sure I've seen you post on the rival fins board, am I right?

     
  31. MikeHoncho

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    I'm sure you've seen the avatar in lots of places. MySpace will return triumphantly.


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  32. Finster

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    Fin-O used to be Finomenal, but then lost it in a Turkish prison riot, or something else?

    :lol:
     
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    Lol interesting. I won't say where since that will violate TOS but I've been finomenal somewhere else since '09.
     
  34. Fin-O

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    My original account Fin-Omenal was created way back when with an email address I can not even access anymore for some reason. Everytime my saved PW's were reset I could not access the site and after bugging Boiker and Crunch about 15 times over it I figured I would start a new name and perhaps brighter days for the Dolphins. whoops.

    Anyways, nice to have finomenal around.....and you can likely blame any ill will directed towards you on me. :up:
     
  35. jdang307

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    It's not an empty win. It's worse. We are not going to the playoffs and now we're picking at 12 instead of 6. Now, I will never root for a loss but if you look at it logically, the win hurt more than it helped.

    Now, if we were clicking and firing on all cylinders, offense, pass, run defense, everything looked great, it'd be a great win because it would point to good times ahead. Instead, we BARELY squeaked by a team missing it's QB, RB, WR, defensive star and we had 8 first downs, 7 points on offense on a turnover. Meaning, we didn't even travel 70-80 yards for the score.

    That's pathetic. So it was a crappy win
     
  36. Kud_II

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    Pretty much the entire second half of that Ravens game was an embarrassment. Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves. And I am also not someone who roots for a loss.

    But that was the ugliest win we had since opening day against Washington. It certainly didn't strike me as pointing to future success against actual good teams.
     
  37. Rock Sexton

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    No doubt man. Same thing I've been saying.

    It's not like significant momentum is being built with convincing wins or beating top flight opponents.
     
  38. finsfandan

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    Not only that. We were supposed to lose. The Ravens had a TD taken away from them. So it's a loss minus the better draft pick.


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  39. finsfandan

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    Also, we're gonna see how Wilson does against the Ravens this Sunday. Good thing I have him in both of my leagues.


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  40. Rock Sexton

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    EDIT: Wrong thread.
     

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