Would you be willing to trade Tannehill for a 1st rounder?

Incorrect.

When win/loss record is brought up, for instance.
Or, blaming the oline play on him.
Or, blaming the defenses failings on him.
Or, blaming him for the coaches being fired.
Or, blaming him for injuries.
Or, should I go on?

 

That Armando seems to get it but the majority of Dolphins fans don't is both alarming and yet, strangely, not that surprising.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...ryan-tannehill-remains-miami-dolphins-qb.html

You DON'T trade Ryan Tannehill. Heck, you probably can't even trade Ryan Tannehill. Wanting to is foolhardy. Give him a veteran coach and a system that is conducive to him and allows him to maximize his strengths.

 

EDIT: Double post.

 

His strength is the underneath stuff and lasers on the comebacks/curls to the sidelines. It's been that way since college and still remains that way today. Quality defenses sit on it all day long, especially the ones in our own division.

 

In that article Armando states:

"If a team would give a first-round pick for him, and the Dolphins could then turn around and use their two first rounders to get in the first couple of draft slots, that should require consideration. Regardless, that move is a gamble."

So yeah, maybe Armando does get it, just like the majority of Dolphins fans (this whole thread is about a hypothetical scenario anyway). For a high 1st, it might be better to gamble than to stick with what seems to be mediocrity (he does have a few games left to prove otherwise, but the evidence is piling up Tannehill isn't the answer).

 

If he would only trust receivers more to get the ball (esp on 3rd and long), like Parker did, Tannehill might actually be decent. He can make the throws.. there's something mental here preventing him from doing it and I really wish that would change.

 

Exactly.

Anyone who thinks things were going to get better with all these firings, is foolish. None of these guys at the key coaching staff positions belong there. Campbell is in over his head. Philbin was useless. Coyle was too stubborn to adjust, and his scheme stunk at times. Lazor, same thing. Now you've replaced them with guys who don't belong in those positions, and are new the them entirely. We have a young team, being lead by an even greener coaching staff. It's all a recipe for disaster. That's what happens when you made the mistake on the coach last offseason.

As for Tannehill, I can't believe I'm about to agree with mando... but it's true. There's nobody else capable on this roster to play QB. He needs to improve, there's no damn doubt about that, but there's also no damn doubt that everything around him has to improve.

Just think about it... we have guys coaching this team in the 3 more important roles on the staff, HC, OC, and DC that have NEVER done it before. Actually Anarumo may have, but at some teeny tiny irrelevant college like 20 some odd years ago. That actually makes him the most experienced in one of those three roles. That's... terrifying at this level. Nothing, and nobody are going to improve in that situation.

The best situation we have right now for the Miami Dolphins, is a solid sound experienced coaching staff, geared to the offensive side of the ball, and the QB position in particular. You're tied to Ryan right now for at least 2017. So, you fix him if at all possible with someone at least somewhat qualified. If that doesn't work, draft, trade, sign, whatever you've got to do to get a more preferred QB in here. I'd maybe even argue you get that QB later in the draft this year to develop, or at least sign someone the new HC likes to compete and help that growth.

 

I voted yes. But who in the hell would give a 1st for him?

 

No one is saying experience doesn't matter.

Do you realize the example you are using in Fitzpatrick is not a good one? Despite that you selectively chose a QB that clearly had his worst year, throwing the football to the other team like he was handing out candy to kids on Halloween. This is the first season in which Fitzpatrick has a winning record as a starting QB and it is only 7-5 at that.

So is your point to give Tannehill another 6+ years so Miami can have a chance at being 7-5 after 12 games, fighting for a wild card birth as the #6 seed, in the year 2022?

Sounds like a TERRIBLE strategy to me.

 

I wouldn't worry about it bro. The fact the small group of know nothing Tannehill homers disagree with you is a good thing for you. It means you think with your head and not your aqua tinted shades. The day those guys who don't have the integrity to admit their wrong and stop reaching for ridiculous counter arguments actually start AGREEING with you is the day you need to start worrying. I cant believe there's still so many people clueless enough to say they wouldn't trade Tannehill for a 1st rounder and even a top 15 pick lol. No team is trading a top 15 pick because they'd be better off drafting a more talented, way cheaper QB with their to 15 pick. I highly doubt any team trades a 1st rounder period for the same reasons. If a team is dumb enough to take on that albatross of a contract for a bottom 10 QB, even if its a 3rd rounder, the Fins would be silly not to take it. With Thills contract he's a net negative. The Fins would be better off using that money on a true impact player at another position and taking a chance on a QB, even if its in the middle of round 1. Best thing that could happen for this franchise in the long run is the Dolphins losing out and drafting a QB.

 

Genuine question - What are his strengths? What does he do at an elite level?

I agree 100% that getting better coaching will help him out. I am very skeptical that it will help him enough to justify his compensation in 2017.

 

If you think he can't improve and has hit his ceiling you use his skills throwing on the run, left or right, deep outs, curls and back shoulder throws in a Mike Shanahan style offense similar to RG3 in Washington.

 

Couldn't agree any more. This is why I wanted to keep Moore and rebuild for a while, then draft a QB. The Jets seem to be doing that now and it's working for them.


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I don't think he currently does anything at an elite level. I'd say the closest "elite" aspect would be his short and intermediate accuracy, specifically to outs and comeback routes, which have not been in the playbook much, if at all, since 2014 started. I do think his deep ball accuracy is better, and closer to the league average, than most casual fans. I believe CK did a study that pretty much bore that out other than throws to Wallace, which we know now that the way they were teaching that was flawed.

Does his play at present justify the 2017 compensation? No, it doesn't. But I'd like to see what his play in 2016 does and it may well match that compensation if he's put in well organized offense. Tannehill's not been dealt a clean deck any year he's been in the league:

2012 - Davone Bess & Brian Hartline as primary weapons (Philbin presiding)
2013 - Offensive line futility/bully gate/Mike Sherman (Philbin presiding)
2014 - Offensive line injuries, poor personnel and Mike Wallace (Philbin presiding)
2015 - More poor O-line personnel, tragic offensive design and play-calling which regressed from 2014 (Philbin/Lazor and Campbell presiding)

I would contend that if Hue Jackson was brought in and running an offensive system that's based on what Cincinnati is doing now, Ryan Tannehill wouldn't seem as lethargic as he does. Miami's personnel is not as good as Cincinnati's, especially with respect to the offensive line, so I'd expect some growing pains, but all things considered, I'd imagine Ryan Tannehill flourishing in that system. If he doesn't, you rid yourself of him prior to 2017. But, you have to give him a fair shake and I don't think he's had that yet.

 

The only thing I see at an elite level is he can take a licking and keep on ticking.

Unfortunately, that hasn't translated to scoring many points or winning ballgames.

 

It's lunchtime in L.A. and I'd trade Tannehill for a burger presently.

 

Put me down for trading him for a 7th....or stocking our Coke machine for the preseason. It really doesn't matter what compensation we get as long as Tannehill takes his services elsewhere. He is a cancer that's destroying this team from the inside out and he just needs to go.

Why? Just look at these forum posts. He started the day 0/5 on passes of 2, 3, 8, 2, and 4 yards last Sunday, yet we still hear how good his short and intermediate passing is? Come on folks, the average 12 year old high school freshman quarterback can complete 5 yard passes at a higher level of efficiency. Almost every game, he chokes 20+ times then throws that one beautiful pass...and all people can see is that beautiful leap from Parker to prove that all those 3 and out's don't matter.

Well, I hate to tell you guys this, but a football game is four quarters. The winner is the team that scores more points. And on the season, Tannehill is AVERAGING less than 2 TD's per game. Almost half of those twenty-one have been short passes and great plays by the receiver to make someone miss, and that's just not good enough by any stretch of the imagination. Yet against a great run defense that struggles against the pass, Ryan Tannehill could only manage 86 yards....with almost half of that coming from one sweet pass? One throw per week out of 20 just isn't going to cut it...it never has.

Ryan Tannehill is like Santa Claus...it's great believing in him as long as others are secretly delivering you presents in his name. But sooner or later, everyone has to admit that there's no such thing as Santa or they have a really lousy Christmas, so we need to stop pretending. RT is a tough kid that tries hard, but he just doesn't have the mental focus to start in this league. No coaching or line changes can fix that either; he's the worst pick in the history of our franchise because he fools you into believing what's not really there.

 

Nobody does that, this has been hashed out. This is your defense mechanism....save face and fail forward.


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I would have traded anyone on this roster for the bacon cheeseburger poutine I had for lunch... damn, that was good. Although, I'm now presently having trouble staying awake at my desk. I've gone into a meat, cheese, and fry coma.

 

This is beginning to sound like the Fiedler/Wannstedt Wars... with the exception that the Offensive line then was not a putrid excuse for a line. Additionally, it may well be that whatever promise Tannehill may have had has reappeared as the Rhett Butler character in "Gone with the Sacks."

 

Perhaps you should call him out for his personal attacks.
LOL

 

I couldn't help but notice you ignored my post specifying what he's being unfairly criticized for. I quoted it, feel free to explain where I'm wrong.

 

Youre not wrong, anyone who watches football with half a brain realizes Ryan has a garbage OL and a garbage OC, I called Lazor out long before most as a reason for the offensive struggles.

I also see a QB that, has happy feet, processes things very slowly, is mentally delicate or atleast treated as such, gets praised for 1-2 throws in an entire game that I see 3rd stringers from the University of Baylor make...a QB who like his surroundings just isnt doing anything good.

The writing is on the wall, Ryan who will be our QB in 2016 better make a significant jump ir he will be backing up a real QB sooner rather than later.

And I would tread lightly on the defense considering they have been much better than the offense most of Ryans career. Blaming tbe defense is as big of a cop-out as anything I've seen.




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What I meant for pick #32 is I'd definitely trade him for a first rounder. I'd be willing to take a third rounder too.


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We're all individuals. I report and respond to people that personally attack me. Others should do the same.


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I couldn't help but noticing that you did the exact same thing when you were first called out for this nonsense. I believe your reply was, "What are you talking about?"

If you want to debate, then debate....that's wonderful. But don't insult people's intelligence because they don't agree with you. That's just childish.

 

Yes, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Who made a "pact?"

This is getting freaking ridiculous.

 

And, if you want to talk about flaming, my opinion is that I've gotten far worse than I've ever given in that department.

 

I'm sorry man [emoji20]


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Hah!

Thanks, man, but not looking for sympathy. Just pointing out, that both sides have been guilty of those sorts of posts, and I guarantee, everyone feels that the other side has been the one flaming and instigating.

 

And we'll go right back to it next week on MNF [emoji41]


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Must be careful if they do this.

 

The amount of people that said no is staggering. You people must be seeing something I'm not.

No team would ever offer up a 1st for Tannehill. That just proves how wrong you are.

 

Seriously more than half this board would refuse to trade Tannehill for an extra first? Is this real life?

Tannehill is not even better than freaking Matt Moore. What planet are you all on?

 

I'd trade Tannehill for lunch at a sushi buffet.


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Preferably organic sushi. Thanks.

 

He wears a Dolphins uniform, that's all. If he played for the Jets, more people would be laughing at Tannehill.

 

Wait...how does your assumption about what teams will or will not do, prove anything?

What evidence do you have that no team would give up a first?

 

I'm on Earth, not sure where you're posting from. There is no one anyone actually believes Moore is better than Tannehill right.....