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The Official 2015 MLB Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by finyank13, Mar 9, 2015.

  1. Finfangirl

    Finfangirl Season Ticket Holder Luxury Box

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    He sometimes gets a little slider happy as a starter - i think he'll be more fastball/sinker oriented out of the bullpen. He's a nice piece - people on my yankee message board are acting like we gave away Cy young.
     
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  2. LiferYank

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    Yankees trying to get younger and more cost controlled. Zobrists defense is already declining... Never wanted him.
     
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  3. LiferYank

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    Not really. Encarte for Miller was close to value. To throw in a good pitching prospect and and Swanson? Its insanity. That kind of package could have drawn interest in any team looking possible to deal an ace pitcher.
     
  4. finyank13

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    Did they at least offer that to the Marlins first for Fernandez?
     
  5. LiferYank

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    Rumor is yes. Although i believe Corbin was mentioned instead of Blair.

    They better win the WS or its not worth it. Stewart will be looking for work soon enough.
     
  6. Unlucky 13

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    He and Miller are both under team control for the same period, so contract cost wasn't likely a factor. I would expect that the Marlins are asking for so much that teams just aren't willing to meet their demands yet. Maybe at the trade deadline, someone see's him as a piece that puts them over the top and goes all in.
     
  7. finyank13

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    Which is the right move, reign it all in while these bad contracts die out starting the end of this year....

    I like this trade, a win win for both teams. It is also a classic salary dump for the Cubbies. This trade is great if they can trade for a SP....Castro slashes very well at 2nd over his career, and his defensive numbers are better at 2nd...

    With Castro salary and then add in what Warren and Brendan Ryan will be getting paid next year they have a 2nd baseman for 5.3M....Drew got 5 last year.

    Also I know there is a "slumo your shoulders" factor with Castro, but don't count out the A-Rod factor, he will mentor him....
     
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  8. Unlucky 13

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    I doubt at this point the Cubs trade for another starting pitcher. Lester, Arrieta, Lackey are locked in as 1-2-3, and unless someone is will to take Jason Hammel's 10 mil salary, he's our #4. Kyle Hendricks is good for a #5, and he's young and cheap, and then you have Travis Wood (former starter) in the BP along with the just aquired Warren. Unless they were offered someone whos at least a #3 and under team control for a while for Soler, I think they're done adding there.

    Now it looks like we see how the Jason Heyward bidding goes. Cubs are in on him as a CF, but will likely not go completely off the deep end with a contract offer.
     
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  9. LiferYank

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    I like the move as well. It clears up the 2b situation and creates more flexibility with Ackley also on the roster..
     
  10. Ray Finkle

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    Say whatever you want about Arod, but this is truly an underrated aspect of him. You always see him in the dugout with the younger guys helping them out, maybe that's because the veterans all hate him, but still.
     
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  11. sports24/7

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    The rumor is that the deal they gave to get Miller wasn't even close to what the Marlins want for Fernandez.

    Supposedly, in order for them to trade him they'll need a package like Corey Seager, Joc Pederson, Julio Urias, and more from the Dodgers.

    EDIT:
     
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  12. finyank13

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    I will always say about that guy, I haven't seen many baseball players if any that prepare for the game and love the art of the game more than him...He loves dissecting every at bat, how to go about it etc....take away the roids issue and the overall perception of him but that's the truth...

    I could definitely see A-Rod coaching at some point as a hitting coach of assistant head coach....
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    Yup absolutely and when he was healthy and younger he played every game too. Rarely did he take a game off.
     
  14. Boik14

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    So Jon Niese for Neil Walker is a done deal. Good swap for both teams and the money should be close to even after Walker gets his arbitration award (should be around 10.7M)...Niese makes 9M this year with 10M and 11M options the next 2 years with a 500K buyout on each year. Niese, according to Fangraphs projects as a 1.2 WAR player while Walker projects at 2.6. Its also a short term deal that allows the Mets time to decide just how much they like Dilson Herrera at 2B and if hes ready.

    Personally I like the move for the Mets provided they bring back Colon to compete with Rafael Montero for the 5th starter spot. Colon's already stated he would be willing to go to the pen when Zack Wheeler is ready to rejoin the rotation which should be around June or July. The move also shouldnt prevent the Mets from going out and getting a RP who is a LHP and maybe resigning Cespedes (please, no Gerardo Parra or Will Venable).
     
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  15. Finfangirl

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    Yankees send Justin Wilson to the Tigers for 2 RHP prospects - Cessa and Green
     
  16. Nappy Roots

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    God, I hope not. Listening to him talk about hitting makes my ears bleed.
     
  17. Nappy Roots

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    Fantastic deal for Mets.
     
  18. LiferYank

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    I know they are high on Lindgren but....
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Pretty sure the guy knows what he's talking about when it comes to hitting a baseball.
     
  20. Nappy Roots

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    ...he doesn't...


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  21. Ray Finkle

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    Come on man he's one of the greatest players in baseball history and a career .297/.382/.554/.937 with 687 home runs in over 21 years and nearly 12,000 plate appearances. This isn't Jeff Francoeur we're talking about here. I'm pretty sure I'd qualify Arod as knowing what he's talking about when it comes to hitting. Don't know how you can say otherwise.
     
  22. Nappy Roots

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    Because knowing and doing are two different things.

    The best players, rarely make good teachers. There's a reason.

    I can tell you with 100% confidence that he will damage hitters(that listen to him) if he becomes a hitting coach.


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  23. finyank13

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    You're drunk....
     
  24. finyank13

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    This puzzles me....they at this point practically should keep Miller....
     
  25. Nappy Roots

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    You guys can believe what you want. But it's the truth. Same rings true for McGwire as a hitting coach.

    Ted Williams was one of the few great hitters that truly knew what was happening with hitting(at least ones that spoke about it and coached it). Read his book, then listen to ARod or McGwire speak on hitting.

    Will make you throw up in your mouth.


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  26. finyank13

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    Comparing A-Rod and McGwire is ridiculous Nappy come on....if your theory is true, then he is the greatest guesser in the history of man, because if he doesn't know what he is doing he has to guess....

    In his career, where he had to play over 100 games a season he hit over .300 once....McGwire was a better version of Rob Deer...
     
  27. finyank13

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    Didi listened to him last year, and he did well......

    A-Rod talks about preparation day in and out of your craft, the art of the at bat, I don't really think he talks about mechanics of a swing.....

    A-Rod is very good at the above as in breaking down an at bat, the art of pitcher verus hitter.......I will agree A-Rod has had one of the most flawed swings sure, stuff he did when he was younger he cant do now. They talk about it on the radio all the time during the season, A-Rod teaches the mental part of baseball which is the hardest part and yes he is good at that and for young players that's valuable...

    I mean at the MLB level, hitting coaches are largely moot...
     
  28. Nappy Roots

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    It's not guessing. It's reacting.

    So by your logic, Barry Bonds is the best hitting coach of all time? I mean, he's the best hitter.

    You are confusing, doing, and teaching.

    Sure, ARod maybe able to go into the dugout and give him tips on what he might see from a pitcher, but that's what scouts do! These guys know what pitchers tend to throw when. They don't need a hitting coach for that.


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  29. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    It is also guessing, when Pedro had you 1-2 or 3-1 in a count you weren't reacting lol.......

    It remains to be seen about Bonds as a coach.....You have to love being around the game to be a good coach, I don't get that from Bonds, like I would say the same thing about Jeter. I don't think Jeter would be a good coach, he separates baseball from life well...

    A-Rod loves being around the game and young kids, it is like he is a afraid to get old and being around kids is a way to help him in his mind stay young, the dude is weird like that...
     
  30. LiferYank

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    Who on the Yankees has he "damaged"?
     
  31. Nappy Roots

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    Huh?


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  32. Ray Finkle

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    I agree with you that the best players rarely make good teachers mostly because they see the game much differently and have so much talent they can't grasp why another player can't do what they do consistently.

    What has Arod said about hitting that makes you think he would be a bad coach?
     
  33. Nappy Roots

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    Regardless. The best hitting coaches in the planet never hit .300 at the big league level. Average has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge of teaching hitting.

    What you guys are failing to grasp is, the baseball swing is incredible quick with a whole bunch of things working. ARod had no clue what was happening during that time. He just simply DID.

    Hitting coaches at the big league level aren't what you guys think they are. I would say a good amount of hitters take what hitting coaches say, as a grain of salt.
     
  34. Nappy Roots

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    I don't have time to find it and link it right now. But when he was talking about Daniel Murphy on MLB Network, and what makes him successful(During his crazy post season).

    Alex worked with Kevin Long quite a bit. He took a lot of what Kevin taught him to heart, and that was just flat out wrong thing to do. Ive worked with younger guys, that have gotten hitting advice from Alex, in person. It can ruin a young player.
     
  35. Ray Finkle

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    I know you hate Kevin Long. I honestly couldn't tell you if he's a good or bad coach. I do know the teams he coached under were usually in the top of all hitting stats, whether that's due to him or simply the talent on the roster. I think as outsiders and not with the team everyday it's incredibly hard to tell whether a coach is bad or not (manager is a different story). There have been guys that worked with Long that greatly improved with him, like Cano and Granderson to name a few. And I'm sure there are guys he worked with that never took the next step forward too.

    What advice did Arod give those kids?
     
  36. LiferYank

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    Simple. You claimed as a hitting coach he would "damage" players. While he might not be the hitting coach he has taken quite a few of the younger Yankees under his wing over the years. So again i will ask you who did he damage?
     
  37. Nappy Roots

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    I don't hate Kevin Long. He seems like a great guy, which is why his players love him. I hate his information.

    You see his roster of hitters? My grandma could "coach" those guys to success.

    Alex obviously battled injuries. But a reason for his new found success was getting away from Kevin Long everyday. As small as the changes were. It mattered.


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  38. Nappy Roots

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    Simple answer is, I don't know. I don't know how many minor league players he took under his wing that never had success....if any.

    Can you name any guys he took under his wing that is having success?


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  39. Nappy Roots

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    Not kids, minor league players.
     
  40. Ray Finkle

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    This post isn't to agree or disagree with whether or not Kevin Long is a good coach or helped or hurt Arod. Just pointing out some numbers.

    Kevin Long was Yankee hitting coach from 2007 to 2014. During that time period Alex Rodriguez hit .286/.380/.526/.906 with an OPS + of 137. Arod's career numbers are .297/.382/.554/.937 with an OPS + of 142. Not much of a difference. The 3 years prior to Long being a hitting coach Arod hit .299/.396/.549/.945 with an OPS + of 146. Again not much of a difference.

    He was hurt in 2011, 2012 and 2013 so he was limited playing only 99, 122 and 44 games each. It looks like it has everything to do with his injuries and next to nothing to do with Long.

    In 2015, without Long, Arod hit .250/.356/.486/.842 with an OPS + of 131 which is similar to his 2011-2013 stat line of .269/.356/.441/.796 with an OPS + of 115. The sight increase in production could be pointed to him being a full time DH, also getting surgery and sitting out for a year to fully heal.

    I think you're misguided in thinking that it was Long's fault Arod started to decline in skills. Like I said you absolutely can point to his hips starting to give up and age as that's a better explanation because Arod was still a beast the 3 years prior from 2007 to 2010 he was a .294/.391/.567/.958 with a 148 OPS+.

    It just seems to me like you're quick to discredit Long because Arod started to decline yet won't give him credit for Arod being Arod in the years before his body started to break down. I really don't think Arod is a great example to use as to whether a hitting coach is good or not.
     

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