I'm gonna keep hammering it home. It's not just the one game. It's Sherman and Lazor never trusting him to do it when they've seen him audible many times. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I haven't brought up what Bill Lazor did or did not do in Philly. So you can direct your LOL posts elsewhere. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm not latching on one game simply because I don't need one game, call I have seen very few games in the past four years that lead me to believe we have a franchise quarterback. My rebuttal had to do with some of you apologists cleaning the only reason we haven't seen good quarterback play is because of XYZ and everything but Ryan Tannehill. Yes the forementioned things will be a disadvantage to any quarterback, but that does not relieve Tannahill from the flat out poor quarterback play he has displayed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You're greatly exaggerating his circumstances. You can't just claim he's the most screwed over QB of all time without posting a sufficient argument. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
On pace and actually achieving it are two completely different things. When he had that 4 TD game against the Texans (which had way more to do with the WRs than him) and he throws for 1 or 2 TDs the vast majority of the time, it's going to skew his stats. His ONLY other game where he scored more than 2 TDs came in garbage time. In terms of scoring as it relates to Tannehill, it's down because of his inconsistency, simple as that. Our scoring would be higher if he could get some freaking third down conversions and not disappear for big chunks of games. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I brought up what Lazor brought from Philly. It's pretty clear that extremely QB friendly offense padded the heck out of Foles's stats. It did the same thing with Tannehill last season. Now that the offense has been figured out, we're seeing Tannehill for what he really is again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So, let's talk about third downs. I've asked before, and no one ever answered, what is our average third down distance as compared to the rest of the league? Regardless, his td total is pretty in line with last year, but scoring is down. Last year Tannehill also had games that skewed his total, since he had a couple games where he threw three or four tds, which wasn't his average.
I posted statistics that showed Ryan is a worse quarterback from third and 4 and under then he is on third and long. Doesn't that kind of put that excuse to rest? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm not sure about that, it's a good point, but as we saw last game, he still struggled with 3rd and short. Perhaps the pressure of converting makes him nervous. Yes, I've already explained this. He disappears early and often. If he were more consistent, we'd definitely have more FGs and some TDs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Wait, you're right. Forgot he was the QB coach, not the OC. Simple mistake. Doesn't change anything about the blame game being rooted in fiction and what-if scenarios.
Because you think something didn't happen or because it didn't it make sense to you, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Mike Sherman is a high school football coach now, because no one in the NFL or college would hire him. Lazor who is a control freak, which is why he's gone.
The only person not willing to admit that Tannehill has had a terrible oline, terrible OCs, abandoned running game and not allowed to audible is you. That would seem to put the burden of proof onto you not me.
Ryan Tannehill is averaging 36.25 passes attempted per game, almost exactly what he averaged last season (36.875).
Oh my this statement is as ridiculous as Ive ever seen. You really believe he is a high school football coach because he couldn't get a job anywhere else? Do you have anything to back this up other than a flawed guess? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I posted it in another thread, I can find the information later when I get home. It's just another telling stat of the overall struggles of the offense and the quarterback Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You're misrepresenting me. I'm saying you're greatly overstating how screwed over he is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I am not. You've made the argument a few times that the oline isn't that bad, the OCs weren't that bad and he did audible and consequently was so bad at it he was forced to stop. That's you not willing to admit the things I said you weren't willing to admit.
1. Name one QB that has thrived under ALL of these problems: - Bad oline - Bad OC - Easily abandoned run game - Not allowed to audible 2. Why does it make you so upset when I merely point out that no QB has ever thrived while dealing with things (the four from #1) you yourself have not only pointed out but agree are major problems?
I think the problem is that in the context of this debate, your argument is a non sequitor. If someone thinks Tannehill is a bad QB, they likely believe the things you mentioned are his fault in some part, i.e. he isn't allowed to audible because the coaches thought he couldn't handle it, or he makes the OL look worse than it is, etc. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
That would be a problem, except the poster that is directed to as agreed that all of those things are problems Tannehill has faced. Not only that, but up until the last day or two, no one was arguing that the line didn't suck, for example.
I'm not saying the line doesn't suck... Jesus Christ... I'm saying other QBs do just as well or better with similar and worse OLs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That post wasn't directed at you. Also, who is saying other QBs don't do as well with similarly bad olines?
I believe in the evaluating process you look for instinctual things that are handled in the face of weak surrounding variables, I think it can give you your best angle to judge the ceiling.
Again a bad OC is an opinion not fact so how can i compare with other 31 teams? Also he was limited in his ability to audible not allowed. How am I to know how many Qbs have more or less freedom? Your asking stupid questions and me pointing that out is making YOU upset, not me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
News flash. Nobody believes Ryan has a good OL, and most logical people also believe we dont have a very good QB. The most likely scenario is we have a not so good QB with not so good surroundings. Its really that simple. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lol, i can answer a queation based on the opinion on 31 other coordinators and 31 other Qbs freedom at the LOS. You arent asking a real question. And it took me 5 seconds to answer the actual questions that had substance. Your Fin D'ng all over this topic again...which means you are making bo sense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
There's plenty that do as well or better with similar or worse OLs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I truly don't understand the problem. You can gauge who is a good QB. You can gauge what is a good oline. You can gauge who is a good WR. You can gauge who is good at any given position. You can gauge who is a good HC. You've even gauged our OCs to be bad. But when I ask you to tell me which QB has had a bad OC, you claim its all just opinion and not really possible. Its a real question. Its a real question that at one time you disqualified because you thought it wasn't fair because the audible part was new. It wasn't until today that you brought up and tried to cling to this new "its impossible to gauge an OC" angle. You've at one time or another, agreed that Tannehill has had a horrible oline, horrible OCs, can't audible and has to play with a running game that's abandoned early. You know all these things to be true. In fact, you tend to get extra obstinate when my side of the argument doesn't acknowledge that you know these things. So why is it, so wrong, so insane for me to question what other QB has had to deal with that as well? You think Tannehill should obviously just overcome these significant shackles. Ok, fine, why? Why should he overcome them? Are they things that can be overcome? If so, then who has done it before? If not, then how can you fault him for not overcoming something no one else has?
