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Beckham vs Landry

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by adamprez2003, Dec 14, 2015.

  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I have to think Jarvis Landry is the most motivated player on our team heading into tonight's game vs the Giants and his former teammate odell Beckham. Heading into the draft alot of LSU fans thought Landry was the better receiver but at this point in their careers the media sides with Beckham. This is the type of game where Landry could shine. I know we have a new commitment to run the ball but I really think we should target Landry all game long. 10-13 targets . Thoughts?
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    feed the juice.let his hunger and drive push the team to not quit..giants are playing for first place tonight..were gonna need to match their intensity..but dont start out the game like that, set it up correctly...
     
  3. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I think they are both great WRs. But WR production is hugely dependent on the QB so Landry gets the short end of the stick. Not trying to turn this into another Tannehill bashing thread, but right now Eli is still the better QB. IMHO.
     
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  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well, perception of who's better is also dependent on highlight reel type plays, and no denying, Beckham has the physical ability to make more of those.
     
  5. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, I'd start Landry at CB tonight against his brother (by another mother). Even though the Giants are horrible against the pass, I think it's essential that we establish the run game early and take some of the pressure off Tannehill. Historically, that's usually when he has his best overall games and we need him to have a big night.
     
  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I am of the same mind that we need to establish the run tonight and not veer away from it. However when we do pass I would make a concerted effort to get Landry the ball. Even if its not the correct xs and os play, I think feeding Landry in this situation, especially if its working would be appreciated by the players. I'm sure they know how much this game means to landry
     
  7. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Umm yards per catch total yardage tds etc

    Beckham is light years better than Landry. ODB is top 5 Landry is top 30. It's not close. Those LSU fans who thought Landry was Better just had sentimental reasons for doing so.
     
  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I think Beckham is more dangerous but Landry is more dependable.
     
  9. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts are...any body that thinks Landry is the better receiver right now, needs to get their brains checked. And I love Landry.
     
  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Before this thread gets derailed into a Landry vs Beckham thread, the question was simply should we target Landry more than we normally do because of the added motivation Landry is going to carry into this game. I say yes. Or do some think we should make no special adjustments for Landry and just let the game plan play out
     
  11. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They have vastly different skill sets. You can't say the QB is the primary source of variance.
     
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  12. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    No, you play to win, not to pad a stat or make someone feel good.
     
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  13. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I would say no...simply because the defense will be keeping a special eye on Landry tonight. However, I would call a designed play or two to Landry deep...or I'd hit him on a reverse or something like that. Give him a chance to make a big play early and then let the cards fall where they may. But if I'm keying anyone tonight, it's Parker and Miller.....and I'm about as big of a Landry fan as you'll find.

    As far as the argument goes on which is better, it's a tough comparison due to our offenses. Beckham is used more like a true WR1 where Landry is a WR3-4, so it's tough to compare apples to apples here. But they both have sensational talent and they're a blast to watch. I'm looking forward to it tonight.
     
  14. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No. If Devante Parker is our most physically talented WR, that's who should be targeted. Landry should get his normal targets and check downs. You want chunk yardage. He's better than Davone Bess but in the same category if you look at the numbers. Move the chains volume wide receiver. Sure he'll scoot down the field more often than Bess for the occasional deep pass but that's about it.

    Passing up on Allen Robinson for Landry and another 5th round pick was a mistake IMO. If we had AR, we'd have the one young guy that could match Beckham.
     
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  15. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Giants are 32nd in Passing Yards Allowed Per Game and 31st in Sacks...the gameplan should be to attack through the air resulting in Landry getting more targets. Particularly since Matthews is still out. Hopefully, Landry doesn't press too much which I think he has a tendency to do and has led to some mental lapses. And this game shouldn't be about Beckham vs. Landry, but winning the game.

    Hopefully, Miami's coaches are smart enough to game-plan for the opponent and not get stuck on thinking they have an equal run/pass on each and every game.

    Even more than Landry I would like to see Parker get 10+ targets this game.
     
  16. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, Parker is the guy I'm excited about. I think Landry is a good WR but never got the hype. You will never blow a team out in the air, featuring Landry. Parker has to be the guy.
     
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  17. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Not trying to be a wise @ss, but perhaps you should not have titled the thread;

    Beckham vs Landry
     
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  18. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Beckham is going to have a field day against this D unless they triple team him, and even then he will probably get his.

    Landry will be Landry, if they don't focus on Landry then he should get the ball, but if they are trying to shut him down look elsewhere.
     
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  19. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    It scars me to think they will plan to get Landry the ball, that would make the QB force things in that direction instead of just letting the plays play out. If we game plan to run the ball instead of pass, that concerns me too since the pass defense of the Giants is horrible. Not saying pass 50 times a game, but if they cannot stop the pass, why stop it for them?
     
  20. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Sick of hearing this game is being labled as the Beckham/Landry show. They're close friends, I get it, but they shouldnt be looked at as the overall main attraction and bigger then the game itself. I like Landry, a lot , but I totally disagreed with his statement that he hopes Beckham has a huge day against the Dolphins defense. If I was the Dolphins defense I'd be pissed off he said that. Personally I hope Parker has a bigger game than him.
     
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  21. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    Heavy targets to Landry generally doesn't bring great results. He's had 8+ catches in 5 games this year, and we went 1-4.

    I've posted about this before, but to me the offense isn't threatening/dynamic enough when he's eating such a big pct of targets. He doesn't get yards in chunks, and seldom makes plays down the field. He's a little overrated on this board, imo, as he's not that dangerous on a per-catch basis. We need to work the ball to Stills, Cameron, and maybe Parker a bit more - guys who get vertical on the perimeter.
     
  22. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I was only referring to tonight. Not their careers. One night, former teammates, one gets the spotlight, one started to this year. If you want to say who will have a better game tonight that's fine. I certainly hope Beckham doesn't destroy our secondary tonight. Make the giants beat us with anyone but Beckham. I would double him all night
     
  23. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Landry is a good player and a good person from what I can tell... but he right now he seems like the biggest diva on our team. Some of the things he does and says on/off the field annoy me a little.
     
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  24. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yeah, when Tanne has forced the ball to Landry, which he has done a lot more this year, it hasn't been as successful, Landry has a lower catch percentage this year and Tanne has thrown a few INTs forcing it to Landry.

    Tanne having to "force" the ball to Landry has a lot to do with other teams focusing on him more, which has also led to Landry getting beat up quite a bit, I'm not sure if this is a good idea given the size of Landry, he seems to be getting up slower as the year drags on, because due to his many short inside routes he's getting hit by a lot of LBs, as well as SSs, not to mention DL guys as well at times.
     
  25. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I do understand, and like I was saying, I wasn't trying to be cracking on you, you made it clear in the body of your post what you were looking at and wanted to discuss, it's just that when the title is what it is, you'll get comments based on that, but I understand why the title is what it is, based on the body of your post, but in retrospect I'm sure you think you could have worded it differently, but when we write posts we are usually thinking of the post more than the title, so it can easily happen like that.
     
  26. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Did he actually say that? Wow. That definitely speaks to his maturity levels.
     
  27. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Taken in context it didn't seem to be disrespectful to the defense imo, but perhaps would best be left unsaid in the media. Here is the quote:

    “I’m looking forward to it a lot,” Landry said Wednesday in a conference call with New York writers. “It’s actually the first time taking the field on opposite sides. I’m also his biggest fan on the opposite sidelines. At the same time, as much success that I want him to have, I just hope we get the W.”

    Yes, Landry wants Beckham to have a good performance against the Dolphins defense Monday night.

    Just as long as it doesn’t lead to a Giants victory.

    “Absolutely, especially because it’s your brother, it’s a bond that goes way beyond the game,” Landry said. “His success means everything to me, as mine is to him. Like I said, I want him to have the game of his life, but I want to win the game. At the same time, I’m rooting for him.”

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/article-1/Landry-Looking-Forward-To-Monday-Night-Reunion/bec589a9-fd0e-4230-8bd9-f98d68835d71
     
  28. AdamC13

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    Percentage wise it is slightly higher this year (78.78%) to last (75.68)...I think one of Landry's biggest assets, fights for every yard he can get...the anti-Ginn Jr., may be a hindrance over the course of his career. It appears he likes to get into it with players on the other team. I wonder how many extra little shots Landry gets over the course of a game.
     
  29. Ohio Fanatic

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    I love Landry, but I can't imagine all 32 GMs wouldn't take Beckham over Landry.
     
  30. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    Agreed. I think the one thing Landry has over OBJ is his tenacity.
     
  31. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Which % are you referencing, because I was strictly speaking of targets to catch percentage which is down this year, 67.2 down from 75.0 last year.

    I love how Landry fights, he plays with a ton of passion, he just has to learn when to not fight for yards sometimes, because at times he just gets more punishment, sometimes you just have to take what you get and pick your spots, just so he isn't taking so much punishment.
     
  32. AdamC13

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    Perhaps the numbers are wrong...has him 78 for 99 this year and 84 for 111 last year...pretty darn reliable WR, great hands catcher. Look what happened to Tannehill when he ignored him last week. Could you imagine Tannehill's play without him this year?

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2015/seasontype/2
     
  33. DolphinGreg

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    I need 10 points from Landry tonight to win in fantasy and take the lead after the first week of Play-offs.

    C'mon juice...I drafted you and have kept the faith all year...don't F me!
     
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  34. AdamC13

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    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Interesting, sporting charts has him with 116 targets, and pro football reference has him with 117, PFR is my go to for stats, but sporting charts has, well, charts, lol, they % on almost everything, that is where I got the 67.2.

    Well, I wouldn't want to imagine this team without Landry, lol, to say he brings a spark would be an understatement.

    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/p...eType=279588574&SeasonMax=9999&SeasonMin=1990

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LandJa00.htm
     
  36. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Hamstrings? Punt return ability? Running (hand-offs)? Passing?

    So there might be a few. :lol:
     
  37. AdamC13

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    Just listened to a little preview from Gruden and he was very complimentary about coach Campbell hiring two, new coordinators and they are getting the job done...:lol: our new OC has been in place one game, Miami's offense scored 7 points and Landry was only thrown to a few times.

    Think I'll be watching tonight's game with the volume turned off, unless I want a few laughs.
     
  38. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I love Landry....Beckham has a better QB and a better overall situation....but we are talking apples to oranges in regards to ability.
     
  39. yoge

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    Beckham makes those one handed catches because of the gloves.
     
  40. padre31

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    For us, Landry does everything but drive the team bus to the stadium

    all purpose yards, heavily targeted #1 type wr, goes over the middle fearlessly
     

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