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Beasley - Advanced Stats Show Ryan Tannehill has regressed in Year 4

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bumrush, Dec 13, 2015.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    A miss doesn't touch six fingers...that was about as good of a throw as you get with a receiver in stride. But if we're going to get technical, then sure....that bum over-threw it by three inches.
     
  2. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    and the receiver didnt even try to layout for it.
     
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  3. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    It's always everyone's fault except the QB!!!!!!!!!!!! :shifty:
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Anyone blaming THill for last night probably needs to alert the police so they can show them on the doll where someone who looks like Tannehill must have touched them. Its the only thing that makes sense.
     
  5. bakedmatt

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    It's always the QB's fault!!!!!!!!!!!! :shifty:
     
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  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    No need to be extremists...Ryan played his best game of the season (as suspected) could he have had a better 4th Qtr?? Yes. But i think all of us woukd take the QB we saw last night. He looked confident player who moved well and made some really nice throws. We get last nights RT? We are going to keep him.

    Then their are the extremists who keep saying we dropped two Tds....really? Thats a little to extreme of an assumption.

    Overall we should be happy with the way the offense looked last night and hope it is a sign of things to come and not just a mirage.


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  7. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Blake Bortles is completing 57% of his passes and has 2 absolute stud WR's. You can have him.

    As for Tannehill, hopefully he sees how effective he can be if he moves in the pocket and continues to extend plays

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  8. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill played well last night.Defence was to blame for loss.
     
  9. bakedmatt

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    Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns are really, really good.
     
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  10. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I will take it a step farther, the pass defense cost us the game with blown coverages, and it is sad to watch a tough gritty player like Grimes fall off so far so fast.


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  11. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Our WR's are as soft as Kleenex tissues.

    Terrible effort. This team has given up on Campbell.
     
  12. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    No question. Best young tandem in the league.

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  13. pumpdogs

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    Time for grimes to retire.
     
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  14. pumpdogs

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    I am not really impressed with parker.He seems to run stiff and rounds off his routes with not much seperation from what I can see on tv.
    Maybe he is still bothered by his foot keeping him from cutting?
     
  15. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I think his vagina still hurts from Rishard Matthews relegating him to bench status.
     
  16. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    Giants D gives up 25 points a game. We score 24, 7 in the 2nd half. More of the same: not great, not terrible.
     
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  17. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Those are my thoughts as well, Tanne had one of his good games, but he was still Tanne, locked on to WRs, over targeting Landry, a handful of "WHY" throws, and late game blues, against a D that is worse than ours.

    Miller was the guy keeping us in that game, and once he got nicked up then the O faltered, when we needed Tanne to play his best, he didn't.

    Like I said, it was one of Tanne's good games, but it was still Tanne.
     
  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    How is it the conversation has anything to do with Tannehill right now? Receivers dropped balls, defense let Beckham do whatever he wanted, offensive penalties took away two scoring opportunities.

    But let's talk about Tannehill.
     
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  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Also, I wouldn't say that Tannehill locked onto anyone. Several times he started to throw, then pulled it down and threw it to other receivers.
     
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  20. cbrad

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    The audibling wasn't typical Tanne. And the pocket presence was better than typical Tanne. And he actually seemed to care more than usual. That game was the type I was hoping we'd see more of this year.. it showed improvement in Tanne as a leader.

    Still.. you're right about the rest, and he didn't get that comeback win. But any way you slice it, Tannehill wasn't the reason for the loss yesterday (not that I care.. happy about the better draft position).
     
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  21. Sceeto

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    Shout out to Lamar Miller!!! Woo.
     
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  22. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    The offense looked better than 24 points, alot of small things factored in to that. We atleast get a FG if not for Landry's penalty...and lets face it...Giants DBs made some plays. OL blocked well 2 straight games, our Qb looked in control and not a game manager...we need Parker to develop and a new overall approach to the scheme.


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  23. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I agree that he looked better in the pocket, but it was against one of the worst Dlines in the league, and that wasn't so much of an audible as it was changing to the "other" play that was called in the huddle.

    No, he wasn't the reason we lost, but that is the case in many of his games, but he certainly wasn't the reason we won, which is the problem with him imo.

    I was actually shocked to see him step up in the pocket that one time, only to way overthrow the WR, and he's lucky to come out of that game with no INTs, because he certainly served up a few that could have been, to well covered WRs.
     
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  24. Sceeto

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    Tanne was good in this game. It was certainly one of his best game. It was all the negativity towards him on these boards that pushed him to do better. Ha. There were still some 4th quarter/clutch issues, but probably nothing out of the ordinary, especially considering all of the other improvements he showed in the game. Sobering reality? :pointlol: I hope. I hope he can string together a few performances like this one.

    The f'ing D did him no favors. We do have some key injuries on the D in Wake and Delmas. Two solid starters being out can have huge effects all along the D. I also never liked J. Taylor in coverage. It's a disaster waiting to happen. There was massive neglect of the LB group last off season. The DL is ok, but lacking in quality depth.

    Hey, damn, it was our guys getting gassed by the weather. Remove the practice bubble. I don't know.

    I feel bad for Cambell. You see that there are just so many intricacies in being a good HC that it is hard to pin down what they are. It's not just being the rah rah motivator or just being an Xs and Os genius. It's a fine recipe of a lot of ingredients. I still say talent reigns supreme, but we need to find that better dish.

    Anyway, back to the drawing board.
     
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  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Is it coincidental that Tannehill was able to have a pocket to maneuver in, due to the oline playing better, given that it was a bad dline on the other side? Our oline gets overwhelmed by good dlines. They look serviceable against terrible dlines. It's why we need to improve our line.
     
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  26. AdamC13

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    Just goes to show how pedestrian Tannehill's play has been for people to be claiming Tannehill had a great game. For him, I agree it was a great game. For an above-average QB this would have been considered a weak performance.

    On the positive, The audible (or calling the pass play over the run, since I was informed this isn't to be considered an audible when Lazor allowed for it) and throw to Stills was a beautiful play, well done, more please. Tannehill took more shots down the field. His pocket presence and movement was the best I've seen out of him. Miami scored over 20 points for only the 3rd time this year.

    On the negative, Tannehill still can't throw worth-a-**** down the field. Missed Williams on a TD and Landry on a TD requiring a touch-pass once he got behind the defense. Tannehill's ball placement was extremely poor last night. Besides missing open WRs, the Giants missed several passes that were easy interceptions and not by the defense making great plays, just routine ones...Cromartie dropped two (one was as easy as it gets on an intermediate pass down the sideline), Wade dropped a couple including one at the goal line in which Stills turned defender. Another would have been a pick-6 when the defender broke on a 3rd and short but wasn't looking for the ball. The pass to Cameron down the field was a good pass, but a poor decision. Had the defender not made a great play to break up the pass Cameron would have crunched with the safety coming straight at him had he caught it.

    Seriously, how much needs to be said when playing against the Giants who are dead-last in pass defense giving up 315 yards per game and give up 7.7 YPA; whereas, Tannehill had 236 yards and 5.8 YPA.

    Of course, there is the all-too-familiar script that Miami is in a tight game at halftime the offense comes out of half, scores a TD and then gets shut down the rest of the game. The Giants have been "historically" bad this year in 4th quarter collapses and this game was there for the taking. Yet the offense last 4 possessions = 20 plays for 55 yards resulting in all punts, including a 3 and out on the last possession that started at the 48 yard line. I guess the moral is when a QB that is "historically" bad at GWD goes up against a defense that is historically bad at giving them up, the defense wins.
     
  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The miss to Landry, Landry had stopped running, and then took off again, and he was a bit gimpy. The miss to Williams, man, he should have had that ball.

    How about you lay the blame on the defense that allowed Beckham wide open for a td, or the oline for taking us out of at least field goal range, twice, with stupid penalties. How about blaming Cameron and Landry for dropping important balls.

    But, yeah, let's talk about Tannehill.

    The agenda is strong with you guys.
     
  28. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    So you think Williams has "go-go gadget arms"? And you think Tannehill threw before seeing that Landry stopped and then broke behind the defense? Landry wasn't running his route, he was adjusting to Tannehill scrambling, Tannehill saw that and just plain missed the TD throw.

    And my agenda is strong...:lol:

    Did the defense get worn down, allow Beckham wide open for a TD absolutely. That is the importance of a franchise QB as they are able to overcome that and still lead their team to a victory.

    As for the Cameron pass, that was a nice pass and an excellent defensive play, not a dropped pass and Cameron would have been destroyed had he held on to it resulting in a Cameron sandwich. If you are referring to the pass to Landry on which he got a penalty, that pass was poor ball placement and thrown behind him. Landry's athleticism to reach back in all likely hood kept that from being picked.
     
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  29. dolphin25

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  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yes, your agenda is strong. Williams should have laid out for a pass mere inches from his fingertips.

    Landry, I think that ball missed because he wasn't able to go full speed.

    The defense was tired? Poor babies. The offense put up plenty of points in the first half. The defense had no excuse for being tired, other than poor conditioning. Beckham was wide open because the defense sucks, not because of fatigue.
     
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  31. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    That is a pass you expect your play-makers to make. The Landry drop I was referring to was the bullet to his hands when he was coming back to Tannehill.
     
  32. Limbo

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    To avoid any agenda-calling, here are some plain facts. We scored 7 points in the 2nd half. In a one-score game, our last 4 drives ended in punts. Our qb was below 6.0 in ypa. All this against a poor defense.

    How can you expect to beat a hi-scoring team with that type of offensive performance?
     
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  33. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Tannehill is as good as gone, I'm afraid. He may still have a good NFL career, but it won't be with us. He may linger for another season because of his contract, but the new coach we bring in will want his own QB eventually.
     
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  34. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    There is a reason deep passes are hard to handle, because when your running flat out at top speed you lose body control, AND he is a RB, not a WR, he doesn't practice that, and is wearing heavier padding, it wasn't a bad pass by Tanne, but you expect too much from a little used RB.

    You are banging your agenda pretty hard, people who live in glass houses and all...
     
  35. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Zactly, if this is Tanne's A game, then all the more reason to start looking elsewhere.
     
  36. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    My "agenda" doesn't appear unless people start throwing silly accusations.

    Looking at the second half, we basically abandoned the run again, were heavily penalized, and receivers dropped balls.

    I'm sure none of that negatively impacts Tannehill's ypa, or our lack of scoring.
     
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  37. finsfandan

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    Not coincidental at all. You're spot on. Nobody can argue against that. His pocket presence and scrambling needs to improve though.


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  38. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's hard to improve that, though, when your line is a sieve against any halfway decent team.
     
  39. Fin D

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    Last night was a microcosm of everything we've been saying.

    The running game was clicking and being used correctly in the first half. Our pass blocking still was poor as guys were breaking through (that's why Thill had to actually move in the pocket). But one or two guys would get through and not at the same time. That leaves empty space for Tannehill to actually move to. So because the run game was working and being used the defense couldn't sell out and go all blitz on the pass.

    That, however, changes in the second half. We get away from the run and the defense gets more and more comfortable selling out against the pass. Now instead of one or two guys breaking through at times, its a full on pocket collapse and its happening quickly. There's no room for Thill to escape or move around in the pocket, as the pocket ceases to exist.

    Then you throw in stupid penalties that are literally murdering drives.

    That's the recipe for how to make forum posters blame a QB.
     
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    I was wondering Why isn't Miller getting that call, any RB but Williams.
     

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