NFL.com's Greg Rosenthall has RT17 ranked #25 QB in NFL

Rodgers at 18?

 

I would say no to smith,cousins,hoyer.

 

Reread the post.


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Are you taking into account age, development, production and pay?


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Cousins, Hoyer, either way it's your opine and I respect that. I was just saying that we all kinda make these types of lists on varying criteria.

For me it's about how I'd want for for the next several years so I'd omit all of the 33+ guys, Brady, Manning, Brees, Ben, Rivers. The guys I'd take over Tannehill are Newton, Luck, Wilson, Winston, Rodgers. Ryan, Stafford, Bridgewater are too close to call. Bortles, Carr, Marita I haven't seen enough to know one way or the other.

Overall I think RT is right in the mix in terms of QBs who have the potential to be really good in the few years.

 

Can't keep Tannehill based on potential forever. His contract demands we make a decision at the latest by end of next season, so he's realistically got one more season to prove he's can have a franchise QB-like season and that his potential is likely to be realized (right now it's not looking like that).

 

I'm really curious to know who you'd take over Tannehill based on age, development, production and pay. I know you're big on statistics and projections aren't exactly scientific, but I'd like to know anyway.


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Brady
Rodgers
Romo
Eli
Big Ben
Wilson
Palmer
Dalton
Cam
Winston
Peyton
Rivers
Alex Smith
Tyrod
Mariota
Flacco
Brees
Luck
Ryan
.....all better than our "franchise" QB.

 

My list isn't that different from yours or most others though I'd probably put Tannehill more in a 15-20 range rather than 20+ (not sure I'd put Hoyer, Cousins or Taylor on that list because I don't know whether it's a trend or a flash in the pan).

Stats are fine but don't tell the whole story so no single stat should influence rankings that much (of the ones available for QB's Y/A is probably best). I think where stats are really useful for this type of question is in tracking trends. Tannehill made nearly across-the-board improvement over his first 3 years stat-wise and in the preseason I was predicting he'd finally prove this year he belongs, possibly in the top 10 (if you extrapolate his stats for a 4th year based on years 1-3 you get in the range of what you'd call a franchise QB for many stats, though interestingly not for Y/A). He's clearly underperformed this year and his consistency is worse (variance in many stats is greater).

Anyway, we'll see what Tannehill looks like as a QB by the end of this year. The excuses are running out for him but if he can play at a minimum like he did in the last game, I'll be on board to see what he can do in 2016 (I'd still like to end up with a pick high enough so that IF a new coach doesn't want Tannehill we have the option of picking a QB.. though right now I'd still prefer a stud LB or CB in the draft).

 

I keep seeing Alex Smith on these lists. The guy who went a whole season without throwing a TD to any WR. He'd have been run out of Miami after 1-2 years. But the grass is always greener.

 

Winston is making giant mistakes, Hoyer???, Bridgewater is not a threat, Flacco out, Brees and a couple others are football-old.

Most every team wants a Rodgers, Brady, or Cam but the Panthers are the only one that fell into one because they sucked so bad. Same with Winston and Mariota... they are not exactly tearing it up either. Either we need to suck even more... or start to improve. I just don't get why we can't draft worth a crap and can't get decent FAs.

A decent OL + decent QB and RB mixed with a solid, attacking D = success
We are missing the decent OL and the attacking (solid) D from that equation.

 

I did, but I still don't get it.

 

Compare Tannehill's career so far, even his best season to Smith's recent career history. Smith has more YPA, a higher passer rating, a higher completion percentage, a much better TD to INT ratio, more rushing yards, and has proven he can be effective with less attempts.

So please, let's not pretend Tannehill is somehow much better than Smith. If anything you can make the case that they're equal.


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Obviously you didn't read the first sentence.


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I am not going to say Alex Smith is up there with the Brady's and Roger's but over the past 5 years Smith is:

46 wins / 21 losses / 1 tie
1294 of 2034 (63.62%), 14,493 yards (7.13 YPA), 86 TD passes, 27 int = 93.35 and has 11 Game Winning Drives in 4th/OT.

I would say if he were playing for Miami the past 5 years that would make him the best QB since Dan Marino. He knows how to manage games, doesn't make many mistakes (7 is the most interceptions thrown in a single season since 2011) and has demonstrated he can win close games.

 

Well... tons more experience is one thing Smith has over Tannehill.

Kind of kicked out of SF... and there has been grumblings in KC too about the lack of WR TDs. Now they are doing better.

 

Yeah, that's fine, but Smith has done better the last five seasons. Do you want to wait and see how many seasons it's going to take Tannehill to perform as well as or better than Smith?

We're talking about who we'd take now. Not Smith his first four years.


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We are talking about things that are not going to happen... wishful thinking at best. Panthers are not trading Cam and KC is keeping Smith.

Comparing apples to oranges anyway. The teams around them are not equal... so how would the two QBs be?

 

The main point I'd make here is that being an "Alex Smith" type isn't enough on any of the teams Tannehill has played on. RT is asked to throw 40 plus times per week, usually with a bad OL and often w/ no credible run game or good defense.


IMO only a handful of QBs would have success playing QB for the Dolphins, maybe a few more, but certainly not 15-20+ guys as we are seeing on some of these lists of QBs better than Tannehill.

 

We're talking about which QBs we'd take over Tannehill. Smith's athleticism, which he actually uses, helps the running game. Believe it or not, he's more explosive than Tannehill is. He's got more YPA and more rushing yards.

The teams aren't equal but Tannehill should've been able to outdo Smith of all people by now. If Smith were here, he'd audible to Miller a lot more and take off more often, that's for sure. He also wouldn't make as many stupid INTs.


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Agreed. Look at Henne, who played with a solid OL, good running game and defense. He couldn't get Miami past mediocre. Tannehill plays for the most part with none of the above and the team is still mediocre.

RT seems to be a slightly above average QB. Not good enough to overcome deficiencies elsewhere on the team but only a few guys can.

 

Not to bash no one but its a prime example how and why some arguments start on these boards. You clearly stated the obvious but people only comprehend what they want to and the hell with the rest. Again, not calling anyone out here.

 

Right. I constantly have arguments with posters that misrepresent what I'm saying. This time it seems the poster just made a mistake. I'm sure he'll realize and admit that.


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They prolly had the worst receiver unit in the league last year...

 

Lol. Look at how easy you make excuses for QBs not named Tannehill, who by they way, played with Hartline, Bess, Fasano as his top receivers and TEs. Hartline was a PRO Bowler that year IIRC .

 

So many different posts to reply to. I'll use this one for S&G's...

What do you attribute to Carr's level of play contrary to Tannehill's?

I KNOW what the answer is. I'm just curious if anyone else here knows as well.

 

I'm not making excuses for Smith. He's performed better the last five seasons. Tannehill has clearly regressed instead of progressing, as Smith has done.

Which is why Sherman should've been given more time. Poor skill players and a raw QB. Ridiculous.


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One of the best ranked OLs. He still displays better QB play in only his second season. His passer rating is lower than Rodgers' by one point. I know Rodgers is struggling this year, but still, Carr has to be good to get anywhere near him in his second season.


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You're the one who brought up last year. This year he has a better WR in Maclin and is playing well and they're 5-0. As limited as Smith's arm is compared to Tanny, ain't it a damn shame they're being compared?

 

Alex Smith? Come on.
Derek Carr? He of a 5 ypa last season? Come on.
Tyrod Taylor? Sat on a bench for 4 years? Come on.
Winston? Looks pretty bad, if you ask me. Come on.
Hoyer? Come on.

People, I know you dislike like Tannehill, but come on. Tannehill is not having as good a year as we hoped, but some of these names, man it's ridiculous.

 

You essentially told me that ryan is better than alex because alex didn't throw a td last year to a wide receiver...bottom line, alex smith is the better all around qb..

 

you must of watched winston last nite lose to the rams to come to your conclusion..lol

I wouldn't take hoyer ver ryan..

ummm the chiefs have won 7 in a row, without their offensive mvp...didnt they make the playoffs last year..

Derek Carr is an easy one..

 

No strictly who I think are the better qbs.

 

I didn't watch any football last night. Was he bad?

 

Derek Carr had a 5ypa last season. One of you guys would have shown up at Davie, and split heads if Tannehill ever went that low.

 

Lol kids you know I love em lol


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I'm not saying every QB is better. I'm saying I'd take some because of their age, development, production, and/or pay/salary.

So somebody like Hoyer, who's done well with the Browns and Texans recently, is a great value QB the same way Fitzpatrick is a great value QB this season.

For reference, I posted a chart comparing Tannehill and Fitzpatrick's stats this year. Nearly identical. Major difference? Salary, huge discrepancy there.


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its an interesting final statement....after 4 years do you think relatively speaking, he comes out as a little above average?

 

my list did, I figure I'm gonna get another 3 to 5 years from brady, brees and berger, and thats worth it..