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NFL.com's Greg Rosenthall has RT17 ranked #25 QB in NFL

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by shamegame13, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ryan had a 5.somethin ypa the other nite against the giants...you seemed pretty happy..
     
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  2. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Oh and Hoyer has had a much better year than Tannehill for only $5 million per season. Fitzpatrick is doing slightly better for $3 million.

    Only reason I didn't mention Fitzpatrick in my list is because he's already 33 and his YPA and TD to INT ratio is as unimpressive as Tannehill's. Might as well hold onto Tannehill and hope he eventually does better.

    Edit: I just realized Fitz has run for more yards than Tannehill this season. Almost matched him the previous three. It just dawned on me how bad Tannehill really is... wow...

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  3. resnor

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    Yeah, I was absolutely psyched that he ended with that.

    Why does everyone insist on misconstruing things? I argued that he was let down immensely in the second half.

    That being said, he's never averaged that low over a season.
     
  4. Silverphin

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    ....Deej, that's one night versus one season.
     
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  5. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Tannehill had an OK game against the NFL's 32nd ranked pass defense and many fans are using it as a feather in his cap.

    The Giants pass defense is putting up some historically bad numbers (no hyperbole).

    This shouldn't be a game where we all gather around and say "Look! See! I knew he was good!"
     
  6. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Well, no one really hit the nail on the head so I'll just blurt it out there...

    Todd Downing
     
  7. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Too funny.

    Mention one of the many stats Tannehill has posted in his 4 years showing he is below average and the defense is it is the fault of his OL, OC, HC, WR and/or running game.

    But with Carr the "one" stat Tannehill outdid him in (but only in his rookie year, as Carr is posting a higher YPA than Tannehill ever has) and the fact he was a rookie along with the players around him, or lack thereof, is being completely ignored.

    This doesn't seem contradictory to you?
     
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  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    What are you babbling about? I'm saying, that his rookie year, if you go by ypa, which so many love to trot out as the be-all-end-all of why Tannehill is no good, then Carr was far worse for an entire season than Tannehill ever had been. Tannehill, as a rookie, with a terrible receiving corp, wasn't even that bad.

    See, what I did, was take one of the main arguments against Tannehill, and throw it at Carr. To no one's surprise, it's being argued, and now you're acting like I just started using ypa, in an effort to make Carr seem bad.
     
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  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Further, let's let these guys have more than one year before we crown them. We've all seen the Jon Kitna, Matt Flynns, and Nick Foles of the league have a good season once, and then disappear.
     
  10. Piston Honda

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    Sherman definitely got a raw deal. That's the nature of the business though.
     
  11. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Do you think Dolphin fans would have a higher opinion of Smith than they do of RT, if Smith was playing in Miami the past few years?
     
  12. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    no just look at how people on here were swooning all over nick foles while throwing tannehill under the bus, the grass is always greener. if alex smith is in miami he looks as bad or worse than tannehill and if tannehill is in KC, people on here would be crying we didnt have tannehill, its ridiculous to be honest.you see it all the time on these forums where posters will make every ****ing excuse in the book for other qb's and teams who have had down years but **** on tannehill at any cost during any game. luck was injured! alex smith had bad receivers! colin kaepernicks talent is being wasted trade for him! i almost hope these people get there wish and tannehill goes somewhere else and we bring in some drizzling ****s of a qb and we sit at the basement of the league for a good 5 years and then see them discuss maybe we should have just given tannehill two competent guards and ran the ball a little more.....
     
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  13. BigNastyDB13

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    :lol: the guards are the only thing holding Thill back. The irony in this thread is hilarious.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    carr was a rookie last year..

    bringing up the ypa of ryan is not the way to go..hes a 6 banger.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There are 2nd year qbs and rookie qbs ive seen enough of..

    hey ryan can climb back into the teens, we just gotta get more resources in the oline.
     
  16. bakedmatt

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    Lol. My bad.
     
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  17. pumpdogs

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    Please don't tell me another 3-5 years of ****ing brady!
     
  18. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    No problem, at least you admitted it [emoji41]


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  19. bakedmatt

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    Hah! I couldn't deny it, if I wanted to.
     
  20. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    YPA is a team stat, in a team game. Assigning it to one player is a misunderstanding of what it measures and I'd say the same no matter where RT was ranked.
     
  21. resnor

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    Yeah, I agree.

    I just find it funny that when the criteria that people use to evaluate Tannehill is used against other QBs who are perceived by some here to be better, there's a million reasons why that criteria doesn't apply.

    The constant shifting of goalposts, and changing of arguments.
     
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  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How many times have the Chiefs made the playoffs since smith became their qb?
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    how so?
     
  24. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    You do realize you're bucking conventional wisdom right?
     
  25. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    QBs heavily influence YPA. Take a look at the YPA rankings.


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  26. Fin D

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    Yes, they do heavily influence it. They also heavily influence wins.

    What they don't do, is tell the whole story. Tannehill's first year for example, Tannehill had the worst receivers in terms of YAC. Historically bad. Wouldn't you agree that yards after a catch help YPA?

    What so many of you refuse to grasp, is that if you're going to use these things as indicators of a QBs skill they need to be weighted properly. You cannot just pull them up and drop them as if they are end all be all, because they aren't.
     
  27. jdang307

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    Every single stay is a team stat. Ypc is a team stat. Receiving yards is a team stat. There is not one stat that is a purely individual stat. You assign it to the player executing it.
     
  28. finsfandan

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    Yet he's consistently one of the worst QBs in terms of YPA. Even this year with a game of 15 YPA, huge amounts of YAC, he's ranked 23rd. He's also been ranked 22nd, 27th and 28th. Last year he was 28th in his "best" season.


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  29. jdang307

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    And his ypa during college was around 7-7.1 too. That's the qb he is. At the beginning of the year I thought he'd bucked the Trent but nope. Before anyone mentions Tom Brady he's shown he's capable of 8+ ypa. Tanny has not yet
     
  30. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    If anybody mentions another elite QB to compare Tannehill to, the mods should change their terms of service.


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  31. Fin D

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    So then WRs don't influence this?
     
  32. finsfandan

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    Of course they do. What's his excuse this season and last season? I mean the man benefited from the most YAC I've seen in a game in a long time this year and then screwed up big time against one of the worst, injured teams in the league.

    Stop making excuses. The WRs aren't to blame.


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  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yeah.
     
  34. roy_miami

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    You could make the same argument with respect to batting averages but I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people will continue to use it as a measuring stick for how a hitter is performing.
     
  35. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You just ignored what I said. I meant in general WRs affect YPA. Ours are fine. They had a huge game, better than I've seen in a long, long time and he proceeded to crap the bed against one of the worst, injured teams in the league. You're making an excuse that isn't valid.

    15 YPA, mostly YAC. Ridiculous excuse.


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  36. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    General question, not targeted at our WRs. Most dishonest poster.


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  37. Fin D

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    I'm dishonest?
     
  38. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Yes you are. You led with a general question about WRs affecting YPA. I agreed, but laid out the argument that our WRs aren't to blame, and you painted it out to mean I was contradicting myself. You're dishonest.


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  39. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    The Fins are 12th in YAC, so no blaming the WRs for YPA.

    2015 YAC = 12th____ YPA = 6.9

    2014 YAC = 16th____ YPA = 6.9

    2013 YAC = 23rd____ YPA = 6.7

    2012 YAC = 28th____ YPA = 6.8

    Tanne has had basically the same YPA every year, regardless of how much YAC the WRs have, so that lies squarely on the shoulders of the QB.
     
  40. Fin D

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    That's not dishonest. That's trying to get you to understand that if WRs influence YPA, then maybe just maybe you need to do what i said and weight the goddamned stat before you use it.

    Jesus christ.
     

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