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Tannehill On The Move Again / Tanne interview / Video

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Dec 19, 2015.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    seeng this is a tannehill running thread, has ryan ever run the qb draw to our knowledge?

    no I dont believe he has...newton just clinched the game on 3rd and 8 with one...
     
  2. Piston Honda

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    The last one I remember was vs Dallas, it went for a first down but was called back by penalty. Edit: Wasn't there a QB sweep vs NYG on Monday?
     
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  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    9 strait games with no unscripted runs by the qb, not one conversion, not one run past the los for yardage....very very concerning.
     
  4. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    I don't understand your point.

    Philbin was clearly a problem. If there was some misdirected criticism sent his way, does it matter? He's gone and Lazor's gone (rightfully so). The offense is still struggling and Tannehill could probably be playing better.

    What's wrong with being critical of his play? I can't imagine that you disagree with the fact that he's not playing good enough. Even given the circumstances of terrible pass protection.

    Everyone agrees that Dallas Thomas sucks. Everyone agrees that our lack of depth across the OL is inexcusable and was neglected during the offseason, although I was told to be patient when expressing concern during the preseason Same way I was told to be patient when watching Jon Martin's ineptness during his first two preseasons. That Dallas Thomas and Martin just needed development. Everyone agrees that Bryce Mccain is awful and so is Jamar Taylor. Everyone agrees that Brent Grimes is in decline. That's why those topics don't generate discussion.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    is it not odd to anyone else, like completely bizarre that the whole game ryan did not try to escape once, I mean you gotta know what you got in front of you sucks ***, so adapt your game bro for cripes sake..jesus man, I mean not once did he try and run during that pathetic performance by the oline..you would think he'd be running for his life, but no, he just sat there at took his beating..lol..damn man, thats wasnt a real laugh justa disgusted one.
     
  6. cbrad

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    dj.. RT just isn't that type of QB. You're absolutely right about the utility of the QB sensing when to run, but RT just isn't a QB that's going to "get it". Time to stop asking for something that's probably not in his skill set.

    RT needs a coach that can utilize his abilities (and he does have talent) while masking his weaknesses, including improv ability in the running game.
     
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  7. djphinfan

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    ok, but are those that think im wrong ready to move on with a qb who doesn't have this element of qb'ing into his game? do they think this is something that can be overlooked and can tell me with conviction you can win with this qb not having it in his aresenal?
     
  8. cbrad

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    Personally, I think it makes winning with him more difficult, but it is possible IF and ONLY IF you have a good coach. That's the million dollar question: how good will our new coach be? Does he want to stake his career on Tannehill, or would he rather have a different QB? I guess we'll find the answer out soon enough.
     
  9. resnor

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    As the team stands now? No. I think Russel Wilson would struggle behind this line.

    It's why we've been saying, for three years, to fix the damn oline. Give Tannehill average players on the oline, he'll be fine.

    But he absolutely is helpless behind this line.

    Please note, this is not an attempt to compare Tannehill to Wilson. I used Wilson because he has elite escapability, which Tannehill does not, and I think even Wilson's elite running ability would be severely tested by this team.
     
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  10. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You don't know that. You're playing that self-serving game of fan-fiction to fit your own narrative.
     
  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I don't know what?

    That Wilson would struggle? No ****. I didn't say it was a fact. I said:

    But, you're right, it's much more reasonable to think that the QB who showed good progress through each of his first three seasons really just sucks, and the team around him would be doing just fine if he wasn't the QB.
     
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  12. Rock Sexton

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    ...... or on the flip side of the coin, four years into this teams have figured him out - ESPECIALLY his own division where his play counts the most.

    The argument isn't he "sucks". The argument is he doesn't better the team the way a franchise QB should and he's highly dependent on the play around him to be consistently effective.
     
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    are you ready to admit you were wrong about wilson being overrated due to his defense and run game?
     
  14. cbrad

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    Yeah the Wilson vs. Tannehill debate really should be over. Wilson > Tannehill, even when accounting for differences in surrounding casts.
     
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  15. resnor

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    I'm not sure why you want to get into this again, or why you want to argue that having the number one defense in the league for his first three years wasn't a huge benefit.

    I've said all along that he has elite legs.
     
  16. Piston Honda

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    I get your point, and they're good ones.

    My main point is that Tannehill doesn't deserve the level of criticism he's getting, not when the team around him is falling apart. One thing we all agree on is that he's not an elite QB who carry a team. If the players and coaches around him are not performing, another thing we all agree on, then it's only natural that we'd see a drop in RTs performance. Instead what I'm seeing is a level of amnesia regarding the outside issues and a focus on one guy.
     
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  17. Piston Honda

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    He had good straight line speed but he lacks the short area quickness to avoid rushers, it's a weakness we both agree on. He can roll to the outside but shuffling within the pocket isn't a skill he has at this point.
     
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  18. Piston Honda

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    I don't think that was ever seriously debated. I believe it was about for as good as Wilson is, he couldn't succeed playing in the conditions that Tannehill plays in.
     
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  19. cbrad

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    There were many saying if Tannehill was on the Seahawks he'd do just as well, and if Wilson was on our team he'd do just as bad. I think it's hard to make either argument. And none of this is meant to diss Tannehill because Wilson is just a better QB.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    ''he has elite legs..lol...no sh##...I see, so your dug in on your stance and still not ready to concede that hes a great qb period...hmmm, that tells me something.
     
  21. Piston Honda

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    I agree Wilson is the better player. Still.

    I think Seattle would be a contender with Tannehill or any decent QB, I think Miami would remain mediocre with Wilson or any QB who doesn't excel as a high volume passer.
     
  22. finsfandan

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    Oh my... not again...
     
  23. djphinfan

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    no thats not true PH, there were many saying that he was a product of their system, their run game, and their defense, and that he was overrated..

    I think folks should admit their mistakes after taking hard stances..
     
  24. cbrad

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    Yeah the overall strength of the teams wouldn't be that different, but you're still looking at maybe an extra game the Dolphins win per season, which is enough to have gotten us in the playoffs at least once in the past 3 years. In the Seahawks case it might be the difference between going to the NFC championship vs. winning the SB. Seen that way it's a big difference.
     
  25. Piston Honda

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    I wouldn't worry too much about that. The guys who dont acknowledge their wrongness typically know the least about the game. You've been a big RW from the beginning and you've been proven right, that's all that matters.
     
  26. Piston Honda

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    I think we're on the same page, about a one game difference. But we have people saying Wilson is elite and Tannehill is well below average. It doesn't add up. Put Rodgers or Brady on the Dolphins and IMO we are talking a 2-4 game difference.
     
  27. cbrad

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    Personally, I need to see a QB play at a really high level over a longer period of time where circumstances naturally change (surrounding cast changes, competition is different, etc..) before I label him "elite". The only exception I can think of would be saying Marino is elite after his 2nd season (that record shattering '84 season).

    So I won't call Wilson "elite" yet, but if he keeps up what he's been doing under the naturally varying circumstances that occur as time passes (say 4 more years or so), then I'll probably call him elite too.
     
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  28. bran

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    tannehill will never be a runner in the sense that RW is. tannehill doesnt have his agility, tannehill has good speed and when you get out in space he can run for big gains, but he isnt going to break ankles and make people miss.this year he has a ton of speed and doesnt look good when he runs.

    to me he is a pocket passer with mobility. as long as he can maneuver the pocket enough to buy time to throw the ball downfield im good.
     
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  29. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    exactly
     
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