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NFL.com's Greg Rosenthall has RT17 ranked #25 QB in NFL

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by shamegame13, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Their passer ratings are better. The records are tied for worst in the league, that's a sign of worse supporting casts than Tannehill's.


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  2. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    It's gonna take forever on my phone. If you're interested in knowing what others think instead of claiming you know better than others, look up what we've said.


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  3. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    In 2 games with good blocking and the ability to audible Tanny has had one very good game, and one putrid game. That means under good conditions we still do not know what kind of QB we have. These last few games will be telling...this makes 3 consecutive weeks we play a team that struggle to generate a pass rush and has a suspect secondary.

    Wait and see approach is reasonable....so I don't know how many of ya'll will approach it that way. :lol:
     
  4. cbrad

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    Based on the discussions we've seen, I doubt wait and see will resolve much. Tannehill would have to play like Geno Smith at his worst or Aaron Rodgers at his best for the last 3 games to quiet these discussions. Otherwise, I plan on seeing many more (entertaining) Tannehill threads this offseason :wink2:
     
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  5. Fin-O

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    You are in luck! We have had threads apologizing for him from Sun night to the next Mon when he had 80 yards passing at home vs a terrible Ravens secondary in which he was afforded good protection and freedom at the LOS...you think that mattered?

    Then we have threads chastising him after playing his best game of the season imo (he was a 10x better QB then he was vs Hou, to hell with the stats) and nit picking a play here and there when overall he looked impressive imo.

    There is no denying that Ryan's 2015 s a whole has been a let down, but there also is 3 more games left.
     
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  6. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Three good, meaningless games wouldn't overshadow 60 games or so of mediocrity.


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  7. cbrad

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    If he plays at least as well as he did against the Giants (even though you can legitimately criticize Tannehill for missing some throws), it will change my opinion on how dire a need QB is for 2016. Right now I'm on the fence about whether we should gamble on a new QB or not. I'd much rather like to be convinced Tannehill deserves one more year to prove it (no more than one more year of course). I really want to pick a stud LB (or CB) in the draft, not a QB, but we need to have the option of picking a QB regardless.

    So yeah, for me how he plays the rest of the way will make a difference, at least for one more year (he definitely doesn't deserve any more excuses after another year).
     
  8. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Like I've said, I want to give him another year as well because of his contract. I also want to give this same staff one more year to not push him on any HC candidate.

    I also don't want to reach for a QB again. I'd rather draft BPA. He clearly wasn't BPA.


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  9. KeyFin

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    When they use statistical analysis to give rankings....and every one of those formulas place our QB between 22 and 31, I think it's safe to say that there may be something to that. And for the record, that's not my opinion...that's just what the raw data says.
     
  10. KeyFin

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    The ones who have caught 1-5 yard screen/slant passes and ran them 20, 30, or even 45+ yards for a TD? Those would be the most likely culprits.
     
  11. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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  12. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I just saw this. LOL

    Kirk Cousins was the icing on the cake.

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  13. Piston Honda

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    Lol I figured you'd dodge that one. So let me help you out..

    You mean Landry, Matthews, Miller, who've all done it a time or maybe two. Half of them were all in the same week and Tannehill had a perfect rating that day.

    Landry had another catch and run vs Tennessee, Parker had one in garbage time at NY. Matthews at Philly. Stills has zero, Cameron zero, Jennings, don't make me laugh.
     
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  14. Fin-O

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    I think that is being a tad harsh, no? You know how I feel overall about Ryan's play thus far especially this season....2012 was an up and down year as expected for a rookie QB no matter how familiar you are with the system, the game speed isn't something you can ever be 100% prepared for. I really liked what he did overall in 2013, he showed a lot of promise and other than the lack of connection deep with Wallace he had the type of season that you can be excited about. Until?? Those last two games in which we SHOULD have been in the playoffs if we had won either..Ryan strung together what was likely his worst 2 game stretch of his career when we needed him the most. Then the questions of playing well when it matters arose, we fired an OC that take away those two final games was doing a pretty admirable job bringing Ryan along.

    The poor play from the end of 2013 trickled into the first 3 games of 2014 and talk of Ryan being benched legitimately arose. He played a very strong game in London to save his job then began playing well at about a 2-1 game ratio the rest of the 2014 season and at times flashed some very encouraging moments along the way, he and Wallace said to hell with the deep ball and began to do some serious red zone damage and connect intermediately like a very good 1-2 much... Most of the board felt like with the progress we saw towards the end of the season that in his 2nd year with Lazor (who 90% of the board adored) we finally have a QB who looks to be of top 10 caliber.

    Now here we are in 2015 and coupled with more and more inconsistent play it is very difficult to get a strong read on his overall ability. I would count him as having 3 good games 4 bad games and a lot of "meh" in-between.

    If you are big on statistics then I guess you would say Mon night was just another average game out of 17.....but you would be wrong. He moved very well in the pocket, he made some outstanding throws..the pass to Stills was as good as it gets, he trusted his Wr's and just had an overall better look to him. He looked confident for the first time in a long time. His stats didn't blow you away, he missed a pretty clutch throw but he doesn't need to be perfect he just needs to play like he did Monday night while fine tuning some things and Im fine with it.

    I don't need to tell anyone "I'm okay with giving him another year" because he IS getting another year regardless. If we could get out of that prematurely given extension this year?? I think he would be in jeopardy of being gone, but that won't be addressed for about 13 more months. Do we draft another QB in anticipation that he likely won't be around for 2017?? I think that depends on who falls to you and how you feel about him as a prospect. i don't think you sign a FA and plan on starting him next season thats for sure, but you can bring him in and give Ryan that short leash that may light a fire under his ***.

    Just going to sit back and see what we get these last few weeks and go from there. You guy's should try and do the same.
     
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  15. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    It's a sign that you're grasping at straws to defend an untenable position.
     
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  16. jdang307

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    I won't crown Cousins yet, but he's 22 games into his starting career and this year is way better than Tanny's second year. I'd revisit that in a couple years just to be sure.
     
  17. jdang307

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    San Diego is a bad defense Tanny should feast on them.
     
  18. resnor

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    Yes, here's hoping his receivers don't let him down, and actually make plays on catchable balls.
     
  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Are you really comparing his fourth year in the league to Tannehill's second year?

    Come on, guys, that why these conversations go nowhere.
     
  20. Piston Honda

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    Miami's offense isn't good enough to expect them to feast on anyone.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    does ryan play smart football?

    does he manipulate defenders with his eyes and shoulders?

    does he throw into tight coverage?

    does he excel in situational/down and distance football?

    does he run when he should?
     
  22. Shane Falco

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    Dude, your negativity towards him is borderline obsessive. You don't see the game. You see what you want to see.

    And you are wrong most of the time.

    Give it a rest dude. It's old.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    its not negativity, its concern..why dont you try and answer the questions I asked instead of whining and trying to bait people.?
     
  24. Shane Falco

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    I did answer them lol, in the quote. I should have bolded them.
     
  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Answers in bold.
     
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  26. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So did you see what cousins did today. Just asking.

    I'm posting from the game by the way. Dolphins offense sucks.
     
  27. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    25 seems awfully accurate, sadly.

    Ryan Tannehill is nothing special and while he is extremely athletic and has all the measurables, he doesn't have the intangibles, or leadership qualities needed.

    The offensive line is awful, and Tannehill isn't good enough to overcome that like the elite and great QBs in the league. I am okay with looking elsewhere if they can find a better option next season. The marriage between Tannehill and Dolphins fans should be over. This goes for ALL players on this team. Even Jarvis Landry is expendable as far as I am concerned. The franchise is a loser, and that stench has stained the current regime, ownership group, and players.

    In other words, this team is really, really bad, and Ryan Tannehill doesn't help them.
     
  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you said yes when he hasnt run in 9 strait games...lol...
     
  29. resnor

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    Well, then you're talking about disregarding the play call, and running. That's different.
     
  30. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    That's funny because he has a higher passer rating this season and for his career than Tannehill...

    The ignorance of everybody that thanked your post, wow...

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  31. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    We'll see who's right by the end of next season. We'll see who's defending an untenable position [emoji6]


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  32. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    No slack for him or any of the guys that thanked his post.

    When you say the icing on the cake is a guy that has a higher passer rating than the QB you're trying to defend... you should be embarrassed.
     
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  33. mlb1399

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    I would love to get your reasoning on why you think Cousins doesn't deserve to be on the list above Tannehill. He has more passing yards with less attempts, a higher completion rate and a better QB rating. Not to mention his team was projected to be one of the worst in the NFL and he now has them in contention for the playoffs.
     
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  34. HardKoreXXX

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    Well then I guess he's unequivocally better. Good job.



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    I'd like to see Cousins do it once teams start to gameplan for him. Beating up on NFC East teams (even though he lost to Matt Cassell and looked bad doing it) doesn't impress me.

    The list of QB's who've had a first solid seasons worth or so of games is long, including his predecessor RG3.

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    Our own Boomer (@siclancy) has a great thread of tweets this morning on a particular 3rd and 18 play directed at OJ McDuffie.
     
  37. brandon27

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    Very similar to the 3rd and 11 play earlier in the game.

    We're not giving Tannehill the chance to succeed. First with the OL, second with terrible plays, thirdly with the personnel on the field.

    This staff, the playcalling hasn't changed a bit since Philbin/Lazor have been fired. They're all useless. Campbell must be a complete idiot to not notice these things and demand change. Now, I get it, the one Simon is referring to, it's 3rd and 18, there's not a lot you can do in that situation... that that's your personnel package? Really?

    The 3rd and 11 earlier is ridiculous as well. Deepest WR's are 8 yards, when we need 11. Nobody close to open there either. He's got no option but the checkdown underneath. This is what... probably easily the 10th incident like this we've seen with play selection on third downs now this season?

    It's easy to blame the QB, and there's things to blame him for, no doubt, but you really need to look beyond that.
     
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    How is he a hater? He simply calls it like it is. It's not like you're biased or anything,...based on your signature pic. The dude actually should have him closer to 30!! So he was being generous!
     
  39. Shane Falco

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    I was watching the Pitt vs Denver game. There was a 3rd and long play late on the drive that Pitt took the lead. 3 WRs ran routes past the first down line, and they picked it up.

    Can't pick it up when none of your WRs are past the line.

    And that is coaching.
     

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