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2016 Mock Offseason/Tannehill Traded

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phoenician Fan, Dec 19, 2015.

  1. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Just some food for thought here. What would things look like if the Dolphins hire Mike Shula as head coach and Eric Mangini as DC, and trade Tannehill.

    This will be a very conservative projection based on the CBS draft site,NFL Draftscout,and very little from Walter Football and Drafttek.

    Tannehill traded to who?? My wild guess...Rams. Because I said conservative, Dolphins send Tannehill,Grimes and Billy Turner and receive their two 2nd rounders. This move is a horrifying dead money nightmare.....sometimes ya jus gotta move on.....sigh

    Cam Wake? Personally I would not let him go. I would extend him until he is 37 and just drop his cap hit next year....however I concede that he would only be a situational pass rusher and would not start so he could be traded. Why the hell would we cut a top 100 player. There are lot of teams that would quickly overlook the injuries and cap hit and pay high draft comp to get him. Dolphin fans have forgotten what it is like to have a defense with no pass rush. The Bucs,Bears,Jags,Falcons,etc. would love to have him. In fact the Giants may become a contender again if they bolster their pass rush next year. I'd take a third, otherwise I keep him and try to get a new deal.

    Dolphins also find trading partners for Mike Pouncey and Koa Misi, committing themselves to a total rebuild of the OL and LB corps. It's a bummer but Grimes is making himself almost untradable. Unless he grabs 2 or 3 picks in the last few games I think he is only a throwin in a trade package to a team with a lot of cap room or to a team Grimes likes and will restructure his contract. Mitchell may yet be trade worthy, as are both Dallas Thomas and Billy Turner. Some may disagree, but because they are both very young and have significant starting experience and are getting paid peanuts they do qualify as throwins on trade deals imo.

    Because I said conservative, Dolphins send Tannehill,Grimes and Billy Turner and receive the Rams two 2nd rounders.

    So Pouncey and Dallas Thomas to the Titans for their 2nd. Misi and Mitchell and our 5th and 6th to Atlanta for their 3rd.

    Cap Room. Here's and articlehttp://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/12/so-how-does-one-turn-a-2-5-million-deficit-into-a-35-40-million-windfall-well-if-youre-an-nfl-team-or-an-observer-of-nf.html

    Actually I believe the Dolphins will retain Jordan Cameron if Shula is hired. He is the same kind of player as Olson, and Greg Olson is the Panthers leading receiver this year. I would also expect Reshad Jones to get an extension and a raise in the future. Both contracts would push their money money forward and significantly drop their cap hits 2016. Dolphins cap room would exceed 50 mil in this scenario and after the dead money sit around 38 mil in actual space, 28 mil after the rookie pool. Dolphins would be desperate to trade down in the first because of the cap and rookie pool. Granted 2nd rounders get a fraction of what 1st rounders get, but...that's a lot of 2nd round picks being garnered.

    Free agency:
    A. Eric Weddle FS Dolphins will be very young at CB. Having the best safety tandem in the league will be huge.
    B Haloti Gnota DL Seeking dominance here. If Pot Roast and Jordan Phillips can fire it up this could be an All Pro DL.
    C. Vincent Rey Will LB
    D. Pot Roast NT
    E. Evan Mathis OG

    The QB situation is fluid ala Kaepernick,Manning,RG lll,and a jillion others so I'll just say sign a QB or two with Chase Daniel being one of them.

    Lamar Miller returns, most of the other free agents of note, walk. Sign OL Barrett Jones and RB Terrell Watson to futures contracts

    Draft: Dolphins have a 7th-12th? pick and trade down to the back of the first round and add a 2nd and 4th and 6th from? The Panthers seeking a LT.

    1st....Carson Wentz QB...The internet is now full of articles about the biggest wildcard in 2016 draft. I have watched extensive film over and over again and I am no longer of the mindset he will need time to be ready. I have all confidence he can start and be successful in the NFL from day 1. There is nothing wild about him, he is as steady as a rock and has upside into the heavens.

    2nd...from Titans...Kyle Fuller CB...Seeking gifted intelligent young prospects. Fuller is renown for his smarts.

    2nd....Trade down and add a 3rd then draft Joshua Perry Mike LB another brilliant, elite character leader

    2nd..Rams...Bronson Kaufusi DE He switched from LB last year to DE and added 30 pounds projects as a pass rushing 5-technique, this high position is given him on the speculation that he may light up the combine.

    2nd...Rams..Spencer Drango OL Possible RG or competition at RT for James and a candidate to replace Albert in 2017 at LT

    2nd...panthers...Joe Haeg OT The next Jordan Gross Maybe?

    3rd....James Cowser OLB Sees himself as the next Clay Mattews or Connor Barwin.

    3rd....from trade down...Miles Killibrew Safety/LB Freak athlete, big safety at 6'2 225, and fast.

    3rd....from Atlanta....Maurice Canady CB Prototypical size and great speed, but needs refining

    4th....Cole Toner RT from Harvard is being projected inside at OG or Center and is moving up boards.

    4th....Panthers....Morgan Burns....KR/DB....Awful high for ST's...but he is awful good

    6th.... from Panthers..... Alex Lewis OT Another genius with some upside

    7th from Ravens....Adairius Barnes CB May run a 4.2 at his pro day has great hands as well

    7th......Matt Dobson FS/ST's/Wildcat QB

    FA's
    Zach Vraa WR Carson Wentz favorite target
    Dean Lowry DE Super Sleeper

    Roster:

    QB....Wentz,Chase Daniel,Colin Kaepernick?
    RB....Miller,Ajayi,Williams,Terrell Watson
    WR....Landry,Parker,Simms,Hazel,Zach Vraa,Robert Herron
    TE....Cameron,Simms,Stoneburner
    OT.....Albert,Haeg,James,Fox
    C/OG....Kelly,Mathis,Drango,Toner,Barrett Jones

    NT....Terrence Knight,Jordan Phillips
    DE.....Suh,Haloti Gnota,Bronson Kaufusi,Terrence Fede,Dean Lowry
    ILB.....Joshua Perry,Vincent Rey,Jelani Jenkins,Zach Vigil,Neville Hewiit,Mike Hull
    OLB....No order...Cameron Wake,Chris McCain,Dion Jordan,Damontre Moore,James Cowser
    Safety..Jones,Weddle,Killibrew,Michael Thomas,Walt Aikens,Cedric Thompson
    CB......Fuller,Lippett,McCain,McCain,Maurice Canady,Adairius Barnes,Morgan Burns
    Franks,Darr,Denney

    I think it is obvious that these offensive players are much better than what Shula is working magic with in NC. Other than QB, and only because of experience, I think the talent on the Dolphins in this state would be more than he had with the Panthers. If Wentz isn't ready I think this defense could get us to the playoffs. But I believe Wentz is ready and his rushing ability is being grossly underrated at this point. The kid is a major threat running the football even at that size. There are rumors out of Fargo that he has run 4.5 forties, however, I expect a 4.6 at the combine if he manages to get a good start.

    This defense would completely turn around the run defense and make it into an elite unit. The wildcard is the young corners.
     
  2. KeyFin

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    I appreciate the work that you put into that, but I don't think that we will gut this team anywhere near what you're projecting....especially with the offensive line. We've struggled for a decade there and we're going to let our only solid piece (Pouncey) walk? Albert hasn't played for the better part of two years and James isn't looking durable either....so you're projecting us potentially starting 5 rookies. That's insanity.

    Also, the front office is absolutely in love with Ryan Tannehill. That's all I'll say for now, but it would take an act of Congress to see him traded away. Either they land excellent value or he's staying. And three starters for a 2nd is not a move I see us making with the cap hell that would follow. I do agree with Grimes though; rough year for him and his value is declining by the week.
     
  3. Pandarilla

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    You're mad...Mad, I say. Bwahahaaaa
     
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  4. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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    Says "conservative projection"...

    ... Gets nine picks in the first three rounds
     
  5. AdamC13

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    For it to play exactly the way you've predicted...50/50
     
  6. Colmax

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    Greg Olson is so much more than Cameron. I disagree in trading Tannehill, but whatever.....I'm kinda drunk and I usually do not post, otherwise.

    Crimes......release the guy like wideouts release their routes. Take him or leave him. Otherwise, I don't give a rat's.....
     
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  7. jw3102

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    It is far too early to make any projections. We have no idea who the next head coach will be or what type defense they will run in 2016.

    I don't see anyone giving up a 2nd round pick for Tannehill. There will be QB's with comparable skills who can be signed in free agency without having to give up any pick. Another team trading for Tannehill would also be taking on a contract which is paid to elite type QB's and Tannehill is not elite. I think because of his contract, Tannehill will be in Miami in 2016 and will also be the starter.

    I don't see the Dolphins making trades to get more draft picks because the reality is they just don't have a lot of players other teams would be willing to trade for.

    They need to to build around Pouncey, Miller, Landry, Parker, Suh, Jenkins, and Jones. Right now other than those players, I don't see any player on the roster the Dolphins would get more than a late round draft pick for in a trade.

    The next draft will likely be heavily defense oriented and I doubt they will select a QB in this draft, unless one of the top two QB's in this years draft are still on the board when they select in the first round. I just don't see them drafting a small school QB like Wentz in the first round.

    As as far as Shula being the next head coach. Unless he is bringing Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly with him, no thank you.
     
  8. Shane Falco

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    LOL!!

    You guys think Tannehill is bad??? Wait until you see Kaepernick lol!

    This is classic!
     
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  9. jw3102

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    Other than the individual who started this thread, I didn't see anyone else wanting Kaepernick on the team next year.

    To me, Tannehill is simply a very mediocre QB who is paid as if he is one of the top QB's in the league. I envision him being with the Dolphins in 2016 and being the starting QB. Yet if he doesn't improve significantly next year, I suspect the new head coach and the front office will choose to go in another direction at the QB position in 2017.

    Perhaps a better HC and a better OC will take his game to a higher level. Great if it happens, but if he continues to show the same inconsistencies next year he has shown since taking over as the Dolphins starter in 2012, I just can't see the next HC wanting to put his job security in the hands of Tannehill.

    Personally I thought this year should have been the make or break year for Tannehill. What saved him, IMO is the turnover at the HC and OC positions and his massive salary next year which no other team in the league will want to take on.

    I don't think Kapernick, RG3, or any of the other possible free agent QB's are the long term answer for the Dolphins at the QB position. Unfortunately after nearly four years as the starting QB of the Dolphins, Tannehill still has not shown he is the answer either.
     
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  10. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Why on gods green earth would we trade Tannehill for a second round pick...that makes no sense to me. Wentz isn't a first round pick...you can draft Wentz and keep Tannehill.
     
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  11. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Look at all of the QBs drafted in last eight years....look where Tannehill ranks among them and people think we should trade him for a second...or that another team wouldn't trade a two for him.

    Huh.
     
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  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Wait.....did you just move Suh to DE??!??!?!?!??!?!?
     
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  13. NCPhinFan

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    Trading Tannehill and then signing RGIII or Kapernick?? LOL.
     
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  14. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Read the thread. The post said both of the Rams 2nd rounders. They have two in 2016.

    This was not a prediction, it was clearly stated as food for thought.

    I changed my mind about Bryce McCain. Obviously Bobby McCain is going to a slot corner or moved to FS. I would rather draft a CB high and go with Lippett. There is no point in paying either Grimes or Bryce McCain.

    More than ever after watching today's game do I believe the Dolphins need to convert to a base 3-4 and acquire new guys to play the Will and the Mike. I like the guys we have on the outside and, and Eric Weddle would be an extremely high priority free agent for me next year.
     
  15. Phoenician Fan

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    Mere veteran backups. IMO, Carson Wentz will be in the HOF someday. This thread was all about Carson Wentz,a completely restructured OL, and fixing the LB issue with radical changes.
     
  16. Phoenician Fan

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    Kaepernick has been to the SB. Has Tannehill been to a SB?? You do know that Kaepernick was playing with a torn labrum this year, right?

    Nobody is going to give him a starters contract after he is released from the 49ers. We are talking about signing a an experienced QB to sign as a backup, a #2 as security if Wentz isn't ready. There is a chance that after his recovery he may return to previous form and be an excellent #2.
     
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  17. Pandarilla

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    Crimes, lol...Grimes against humanity!
     
  18. #1 fan

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    no team is going to take on Tannehill's contract and give up a pick.
     
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  19. NCPhinFan

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    Wentz is considered by some to be a first round pick, but more than likely a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I'm highly skeptical about drafting an FCS QB that high, but it worked out for the Ravens with Flacco.
     
  20. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Wait until more people watch his film, and then there is his elite athleticism and prototypical size, and then there is his 4.0 GPA with an engineering degree, and then there is the fact that he is an extraordinary leader and will absolutely ace every interview, and then there is his amazing game management and come from behind wins and game winning drives, and then there is ability to be a bona fide run threat on the order of Cam Newton; his excellent pocket awareness and Aaron Rodgers type elusivity, and then there is his lightening quick release like unto Marino that scouts love. Shall I continue?
     
  21. Phoenician Fan

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    Actually his salary is average for a starting QB and they could release him 2017 with very little dead money because of the way the contract was set up.
    The Dolphins, on the other hand,would get hit with a wicked amount of dead money in 2016.
     
  22. dgfred

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    Thanks for your post. Alot of good stuff in there.

    I am thinking Kap to the Eagles and Chip Kelly (if he stays) . Get your QB a bit later maybe might be best. I like your trade mindset tho.

    I don't think Weddle will leave the Bolts (after 9 years) and come to this cluster-you-know-what... unless he doesn't want to move to LA either.
     
  23. muskrat21

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    so with this logic of being to a superbowl making you a good QB. That means trent dilfer is good. you sure you want to continue with this logic?

    also, someone's been playing madden too much.
     
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  24. dgfred

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    How did you know? I am also somewhat addicted to GMing the Dolphins in Madden. I enjoy that more than playing.
     
  25. Finster

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    If the plan would be to cut him after next year anyway, then getting a pick now would be ideal.
     
  26. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    The question is though, why would a team give up a high pick for what may amount to a 1 year rental?
     
  27. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Excellent point!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Please don't... you had me at the first and then there. :tongue2:
    True!
     
  28. Phoenician Fan

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    Well,obviously it isn't too hard to imagine a team viewing the Dolphins with extreme disdain and thinking that Tannehill may be a great talent on a team with an OL and a good coaching staff. Why would a team give a 1st round pick for a RB that was an obvious bust??(Trent Richardson)
     
  29. Phoenician Fan

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    It would help if you actually read the original post. You are commenting on my choice for a veteran backup that was listed as the # 3 on depth chart behind Carson Wentz and Chase Daniel.

    And yes, playoff experience in general is very nice addition to an NFL QB's resume, and Super Bowl experience is,of course, the best experience of all.
     
  30. Hellion

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    Here and there
    Not every team is going to make that mistake..just because one dumb GM did it does that mean they all will.

    As far as the thread does its all Madden logic.
     
  31. Phoenician Fan

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    By the way, I change my 3rd round pick from Canady to CB/Safety Sean Davis of Maryland. Surprised Davis isn't ranked higher.
     
  32. Phoenician Fan

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    Precious, you write a nonsensical sentence to critique my logic; and that, in and of itself an empty complaint seeing as how the original post was never meant to be logical,or a prediction, or even what I would necessarily do if I were king. It was clearly stated as food for thought; you know, just throwing some stuff out there to get an idea of some of the kind of things that could happen if the Grand Buffoon blows up the FO and brings in a new coaching staff.

    The Carson Wentz issue is the only stalwart position I hold at this time.
     
  33. Finster

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    TR didn't have a huge contract hanging around his neck, whoever is evaluating Tanne knows one thing, he's not a sure thing, and if you trade for him you have 1 year to figure that out, so why would a team give up something high with that in place.
     
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  34. Phoenician Fan

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    Weddle has been publicly candid, he won't be back with the Chargers next year. They spoke of this issue twice during yesterday's broadcast as well.
     
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  35. vt_dolfan

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    Oh dear lord....Wentz still has another year of college left and you've already predicted him into the HOF?
     
  36. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Your assuming Wentz will.be ready after year one.
     
  37. Finster

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    It has nothing to do with Wentz actually, it has to do with IF the FO is realizing he's not the answer and going in a different direction, then you get something for him, because now would be the only chance for that, but I don't think we could get a 2nd, 3rd at the highest imo, and I think that's unlikely.
     
  38. Phoenician Fan

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    If you are looking for someone to defend the quality and value of the player, Ryan Tannehill, you are looking in the wrong place. I hated Tannehill long before we drafted him. I was crushed when we didn't draft Kuechly,a shoein for the HOF IMO. There are oodles of threads arguing the talent and upside of RT.

    As far as the contract is concerned, we have known from the get go that the contract left room for trade or release at the end of 2016. The amounts on the contract just aren't as high as most people are perceiving. In today's NFL yearly amounts under 20 mil are becoming just average pay for starters. Every year the cap goes up and players are getting bigger contracts and QB's get more than other players as a rule. Of course there are exceptions. Obviously if you acquire any player you have some level of faith.

    Chip Kelly had 13 mil in faith in Sam Bradford this year. Someone else may have that same kind of hope and expectation for Ryan Tannehill. Like they say, " it only takes one team to make a deal."
     

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