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Which Coach or Czar could bring us back to relevance

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Dec 20, 2015.

  1. Man-U

    Man-U New Member

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    Oh I see, you want a stubborn Coach that refuses to change his style of coaching until threatened to be fired (that whole group of coaches were on the way out last year). Yeah, it's a coincidence that Newton finally started clicking, and a boon for the coaches. Shula would torpedo Miami, not just because he's in the massive shadow of his father.
     
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  2. dgfred

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    You are looking at the overall and not really hearing what locals are saying. I have watched Cam from day 1... Shula hasn't really changed anything with play calling or game planning. Can you describe how you think the offense has changed?

    The offense was always built to suit Cam. How could it not be? The best player on offense deserves such a plan.
    The differences are what I stated above.
     
  3. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    It's a fact that the truck accident woke his lazy *** up.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    So, I've learned that Shula had nothing to do with Cam making a massive leap, but a car accident and magic did. Oh and I've also been told I should listen to the locals who tell me Shula was forced to change stuff and he didn't change anything.

    Ok.
     
  5. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Cam is playing more of a QB role this year instead of just trying to be one man team superman style and it's paying off. He is learning from his experience and probably the most physical QB in football. The very good def doesn't hurt either.
     
  6. dgfred

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    You still haven't posted what you think has changed with the offense. You can put us down... but I wouldn't infer that you didn't know what you were talking about with 'your' local team.
    Saying he has 'changed' the offense to suit Cam is easy... showing what has changed will not be.
     
  7. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    His YPA is at his career average this season. His passer rating this season is likely a statisticsl anomaly.

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  8. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    God its fun reading an argument thread when you dont have a horse in the race...lol.

    :jt0323:
     
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  9. dgfred

    dgfred Free Agent pickup

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    You do have an argument tho... unless you don't care one way or the other about Shula as HC.
     
  10. Man-U

    Man-U New Member

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    What do you think Shula would do with Lynch in Miami?
     
  11. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to know what kind of OL and OC it'd take to get Tannehill to put up 7.7 YPA, 33 TDs, 10 INTs on 7.5% TD% with Carolina's receiving core and rush for 8.5 YPC, 580 yards and 7 rushing TDs through 14 regular season NFL games against any teams.


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  12. dgfred

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    Haha... just change the offense to suit him :)

    IMO Cam would be a absolute beast on any NFL team. Not many QBs you could ever say that about.

    Giants showed how to defeat the Patriots... twice. Brady does't handle pressure up the middle so well.
    If A.Rodgers ran as much as Cam... he would get knocked out of the game pronto.
    Wilson runs pretty good... but gets out of bounds and avoids hits for the most part. He does not throw as well as Cam.
    Carson Palmer better not ever run. He blew his knee out last year without being hit.

    The weak spots on Carolina are basically the same as last year... but it worked out this year. Weakish OL, re-built secondary, not so known/able WRs, running game dependent on Cam putting them over the edge. Last year there were games where they couldn't run over tall grass... this year Stewart has done well. He is a bit banged up right now with a foot problem... and his backups are no Angelo Williams that is for sure. It has been a perfect year for them in more than one way. They also have had a couple of games just about given to them. Their stars have just been lined up right this year.
     
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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I believe Mike shula had something to do with his ascension, he didnt listen to the so called experts who said you cant utilize a qb like this and win a championship, he allowed him to carry the ball ten times a game, he didnt ditch the read option, and whats happened because of that is now mike shula has more threats from a qb skillset position to attack a defense then anyone else not named wilson, and its become indefensible.
     
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  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    wilson throws as well as cam, maybe not as hard or long, but def as well..he the top rated qb from the pocket in the NFL...for those folks who argued against what some of us new to be true the past couple years, here's your cue?
     
  15. SuhMe

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    O.K I'll bite. Wilson lost to the Panthers, Packers, Bengals and Cardinals this year, all 4 legitimate playoff teams who have a real shot to win it all. He's also beaten the Browns, Ravens, 49ers twice, Cowboys, Lions and Bears for 7 of their 9 wins. All these teams pretty much suck, one could easily argue Wilson has been so hot of late because he's been beating up on bad defenses. Let's see how he does in the playoffs this year against the Panthers, Packers, Bengals, Cardinals of the world, didn't go so well in the regular season and that was WITH Jimmy Graham who they will miss. Not to mention the uncertainty at the HB position, let's see how elite he really is come playoff time without the dominant team he's had in the past.
     
  16. cbrad

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    Agree with this. My concern with Mike Shula as our HC is I don't see how M. Shula figuring out how to use Cam suggests he'd figure out how to use Tannehill better. I think he'd make Tannehill more of a dual threat, but the bigger question is can he design a passing offense suited to Tannehill's abilities, and I'm just not convinced of that yet. Personally, I'd rather have Hue Jackson because he worked with Dalton (even with a better supporting cast).
     
  17. jw3102

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    The best WR on the Panthers roster at this time in Ted Ginn. A player who has had limited success everywhere else he has played.

    Give Newton the WR's on the Dolphins and Miller as his RB and the Panthers would have the best offense in the NFL. Newton has taken the step up and he is now one of the few truly elite QB's in the NFL.
     
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  18. dgfred

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    You guys kill me telling me about NC players... Wilson played at NCState for 3 years. I know all about him too. You stated it yourself... not as hard or long. Since I didn't mention accuracy or pocket passing why did you? Personally I like QBs that can throw farther and harder... with not much difference in accuracy. Since I just got here I don't know how I fall into what y'all argued the past couple of years. If you had to choose I feel pretty sure which you would pick between Cam and Wilson.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was just responding to that..pretty sure wilson was the highest rated qb efficiency wise in college ever, pretty sure hes the highest rated ever in the pros as well..

    wilson is great, cam is great, but I would choose wilson.
     
  20. dgfred

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    Well, you would not do as well as with Cam IMO, but it is just that anyway... my opinion.

    Efficiency with Wisconsin's running game... well, yeah.
    Close your eyes and put Cam on Seattle... I think they do just as well and probably better.
     
  21. Fin D

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    Please explain how the first part leads to the second part?
     
  22. Stringer Bell

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    YPA is more predictive of future performance than passer rating. Passer rating also experiences more variance. An improvement in Cam Newtons performance is more likely to be reflected in his YPA than his passer rating.

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  23. Fin D

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    I thought YPA was more reflective of a team's win loss record not a QBs performance. A QB can have a high or low QB rating and still have a high YPA or a low one. That doesn't mean the QB has improved or regressed.
     
  24. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Jon Gruden or Malzahn would be my choices.

    I know Malzahn hasn't been great this year but its not really due to his scheme so much as a terribly depleted pantry.
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    splittin hairs this year, I just feel more comfortable, wilson is better from the pocket, and even though cam is an excellent playmaker, wilson has a precision about his playmaking, and wherewithal about his surroundings that are the best ive ever seen..and I believe theres a bit less of a risk factoring in.

    I couldn't stand cam newtons personality coming out, though he was an arrogant doucher, but I was asked a direct question when he was coming out, and that was, if he fell to us in the first would I take him, and I said yes..I was big on finding a dual threat qb..

    but id be lying if I thought he was gonna be this smart at the los, and be able to play this well from the pocket, but I do think his ability to improvise and playmake, and finish runs is the key to everything there.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    he also lost the best running back in the game for all this time so lets call that one a draw.

    even if he loses in the playoffs you still should be able to gauge his game and importance, then factor in surrounding variables..I think hes proven waaaay past any arguments at this point..the cue meant i think its time for folks to just give up and say the guy is an elite qb..but its cool.
     
  27. cbrad

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    Y/A being around average would suggest Cam Newton as a passer isn't more efficient (for gaining yards) than he has been. Passer rating being much higher is due to his much better TD/INT ratio as well as number of TD's. So basically, Cam isn't more efficient at gaining yards, but he's way more efficient at throwing TD's.

    As far as whether it qualifies as a statistical anomaly, not yet. His average passer rating is 88 and the standard deviation is 6.43, so you'd have to have a passer rating close to 101 before you could say it's a statistical anomaly based on standard stats tests.
     
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  28. cbrad

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    They both correlate real well with win/loss record. After a game is over, I don't see any real problem with using passer rating (in principle as a measure of offensive pass production). It is what it is. It values Y/A, comp %, TD's, INT, etc..

    But when making an argument about how good a measure Y/A vs. passer rating is as a QB measure, I'd say Y/A is better because the ultimate goal of a team is to win, so you want correlations with W/L record somewhere in there. But passer rating includes TD's in its calculation, and it's kinda cheating when you say your measure correlates well with the score when your measure includes a good portion of the score itself!! So while Y/A depends on WR's (at least), it's a cleaner measure of QB ability than passer rating.
     
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  29. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Look, all of you guys had better wake up to a hard reality otherwise you're going to be crying in your Cheerios again...

    Unless our next head coach is a Jim Harbaugh type, that can come in and somehow turn a team around with the same players in a single season and get pro bowl production out of the offensive line and get Miller 20-25 carries per game and get Tannehlll to suddenly start taking shots downfield, we're going into the proverbial rebuilding phase which is going to be a 3-5 year plan...and during that 3-5 years, we're all going to be calling for this next coach's head on a platter each and every week.

    Whoever gets hired better be a winner and had better SELL his plan to the FO and the FO had better COMMIT to the new HC's plan. I'd hate to see us get a Nick Saban and when that coach wants a Drew Brees, we get him a Daunte Culpepper instead.

    Hire your coach and get him what he WANTS and NEEDS.
     
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  30. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    Lol

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  31. Bonillafan

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    Who here would take Saban back? I think i would. There is nobody else who I think will be able to turn this team around.
     
  32. adamprez2003

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    How is ypa predictive? It seems its more reflective, a history of what's already happened
     
  33. cbrad

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    Any stat can be used to predict future performance (not necessarily well of course). So there's nothing wrong with saying a stat is a predictor of future performance (no different than saying you use the past to predict the future).

    What does it predict best? Probably the same stat. So Y/A probably predicts Y/A best, and passer rating probably predicts passer rating best.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    Wins and losses.

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