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SI.com: The Case for Adam Gase

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Jan 3, 2016.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    2015 has been a 180-degree turnaround. Cutler has zero games with multiple interceptions—of the 26 quarterbacks who have made at least 10 starts, he’s the only one who can say that—and has lost the ball only 13 times (eight interceptions, five lost fumbles) in 14 starts. His passer rating of 92.8 is a career-high, despite his intended top four targets combining to miss 31 games this season due to injury. Cutler’s improved play can be traced back to a new play-caller in Chicago, a man who is about to become a hot commodity on the head-coaching market.

    Adam Gase, the Bears’ offensive coordinator, has aced the Jay Cutler reclamation project, building an offensive system that keeps the quarterback in check with good coaching and smart play-calling; by doing that, he’s expanded his coordinator résumé beyond Peyton Manning, the future Hall of Famer many assume operates as his own OC.

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/31/...hing-jobs-jay-cutler-peyton-manning-tim-tebow
     
  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i wouldnt be angry if we hired the guy but he isnt in my top three. i want someone a bit more grizzled and with more experience. i am leaning towards former failed coaches if they say the right things in interviews, mainly what went wrong and what would you do differently today
     
  3. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    We need a guy who can call plays and get the best out of Tannehill, Gase seems to fit the bill. Then get a top notch player personnel guy (Tom Gamble would have been nice) and Tannenbaum could take over Aponte's responsibilities with CBA and contracts as far as I care. Show Aponte the door, too much infighting and political bs.
     
  4. Ronnie Bass

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    From what I have read she has done excellent jobs with our cap, a job that people underrate greatly. Have I missed stories that she is too much to handle in the FO?
     
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  5. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Once a subordinate to Jeff Ireland, Aponte wrested free of his control and became an ally of Philbin’s and a confidante to Ross. During the 2013 season, the Miami Herald reported that Aponte relayed Ireland’s criticism of the coaching staff and play-calling back to Philbin, widening the divide between coach and general manager.

    When Ross embarked on a fact-finding mission after the end of the season, Ireland wound up losing his job. Aponte and Philbin survived.

    Some around the league are not surprised. They believe she played a similar role in the Browns’ dismissal of George Kokinis less than a year into his time as Cleveland's general manager. Aponte was the Browns’ vice president of football administration at the time, and an ally of then-coach Eric Mangini, who, like Philbin, won that internal power struggle. A source familiar with the situation in Cleveland said Aponte “can’t be trusted.”

    Although that’s just one side of the story, it was repeated more than once in Mobile this week, where league power brokers met for the annual Senior Bowl. Farmer was there, too, and so it would not be at all surprising if he heard the same criticism.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article1959576.html#storylink=cpy
     
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  6. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    $28.8 million in dead money this season
    Philip Wheeler $2.8 million in dead money in 2016
     
  7. Ronnie Bass

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    And if she was a man we would probably not hear a peep about it. Every place I have ever worked had politics.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Still was able to make a free agency splash this season.

    She didn't choose all those players. She got them at the market value of free agency at the time. Could have been a lot worse.
     
  9. Ronnie Bass

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  10. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Jeff Darlington made it seem like Dawn Aponte was going to be fired this morning on NFL network.
     
  11. Ronnie Bass

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    That's the thing, imagine Ireland doing the cap management himself, it probably would have been MUCH more. It's really hard to measure how much it's on her or how much she has really saved us.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    It is possible. Her job is redundant with Tannebaum.
     
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  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I can't figure out how to make the pop up window on that site go away in order to read the article, but we aren't in the bad shape that some in the media are making us out to be. Between the 10 million we're carrying over from this year and the easy cuts we'll make soon, having a net of 30+ in cap room will be simple, and we could have more. I don't think we'll go hog wild in spending, but we should be able to resign a few guys and add a few as well, and still be in good shape come 2017.
     
  14. jdang307

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    Every place you worked has had politics, and this is part of it. So why are you questioning why she would be on the outs, if you know, every work place has politics?
     
  15. cbrad

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    That link doesn't provide much info. All it says about us is this:

    "The Dolphins are currently projected to be nearly $20 million over the salary cap in 2016. The league will almost surely raise the cap next year, but even that won’t be enough to relieve the Dolphins of their salary cap issues. To make matters worse, Miami still has to come up with the money to give defensive end Olivier Vernon a contract extension. The most likely candidate for a contract restructure is defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, who is scheduled to have a cap hit of $28.6 million in 2016. After re-working Suh’s deal, the next most likely options for Miami would be to cut ties with defensive end Dion Jordan and restructure the contracts of cornerback Brent Grimes and punter Brandon Fields."

    ...

    Anyway, you're basically right about having enough cap space if you look at the guys we're likely to cut or restructure:
    http://overthecap.com/calculator/miami-dolphins/
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    $13 million of that is Quinton Coples and Dion Jordan.
     
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  18. Fin D

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    He explained why in the first sentence of that post.
     
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  19. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Adam Gase is being interviewed on Thursday according to NFLN. Couldn't tell if they meant this Thursday or next, but it would make more sense if it was this week. Also keep in mind he was almost hired for the 49ers vacancy last year but remained with Jason Fox after not being able to bring in his own defensive coordinator.
     
  20. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Oh god Kevin Sumlin bleh.

    I think Gase has a decent shot, but for our franchise we need experienced leadership. Like Adam said above, interview failed coaches and see how much soul-searching they did and what they will be doing to improve. Hire the one with the best answers.
     
  21. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Adam Gase? Jay Cutler? Chicago Bears?

    Really guys? If this isn't a REACH I don't know what is.
     
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  22. Unlucky 13

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    You....dislike that he helped Cutler have perhaps the best season of his career, despite losing Brandon Marshal, and only having Alshon Jeffery for 9 games, Eddie Royal for 9, and Martellus Bennett for 11? Cutler was throwing to guys many people had never heard of for a lot of the year, and still had his best season rating of his career, and dropped from throwing 18 picks to 11, while simultaniously improving his YPA from 6.8 to 7.6.

    Plus the Bears were the #11 rushing team in the league and had the 6th most carries, while we ran the ball the fewest times in the NFL this season.

    I don't see how anyone could hold the Bears season against Gase.
     
  23. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Look, perhaps as a position coach, but as a head coach? Enough of the experiments guys.

    Philbin, Sparano, Cameron...even Saban for that matter. Enough of the science experiments already!

    The last time we had any credibility was when Wannstadt was our HC and I freaking HATED him
     
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  24. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I really am not high on the idea of hiring a position coach from a team with a losing record.
     
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  25. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    How did Wannstedt bring us any credibilty?
     
  26. Springveldt

    Springveldt Season Ticket Holder

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  27. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    2000: 11-5, AFC East Champions, Won Wild Card game, lost Divisional playoff
    2001: 11-5, AFC East Champions, lost Wild Card game
    2002: 9-7, 3rd AFC East
    2003: 10-6, 2nd AFC East
    2004: 1-8; resigned during bye week

    So with the exception of Wannstadt's disaster during the 2004 season, he won more games during his tenure per season than any coach we've had since, with the exception of Sparano's first season with Parcell's holding the leash.

    Wish to ask me the same question again?
     
  28. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Yes. How is it you feel that Wannestedt didn't suck balls? Jimmy Johnson handed him that job and team- he screwed the pooch, both holes, and look at his career trajectory afterward. Not to mention what he did to the Bears before he got the job down here.
     
  29. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Okay, then let's use your premise to validate my original point...no more flipping science experiments! Want to hand all the credit for 4 seasons with winning records to Jimmy Johnson? Ok, we'll do that...it was a proven head coach that gave us credibility, not some reach of a coordinator or position coach that increased this or that player's level of play on a losing team.

    I want a proven head coach in Miami, one who still has the fire in his belly to win! I think Shanahan would be good; I think Coughlin would be good and I've been tooting my for for Payton for weeks now (although with the fiasco that's been playing out, it's causing me pause).

    I'm just tired of Miami REACHING in its search for the next Shula.
     
  30. jim1

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    "We've done a lot of research on what makes a successful NFL head coach and tried to reverse-engineer the last 20 years literally of every hire, from their degree to really almost sort of every variable," Tannenbaum said. "And I can tell you that there's a lot of different permutations, a lot of different answers."

    Here's one answer that will shut up everyone: Eight of the 12 coaches in the playoffs this year are first-time head coaches with their current team. And a ninth, Todd Bowles of the Jets, had as big a turnaround as anyone before narrowly missing the postseason.

    So the point for Tannenbaum isn't whether he gets a coach with experience. The demand is to get the right guy in a way the Dolphins haven't got one right in a decade.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-dolphins-column-0105-20160104-column.html
     
  31. Unlucky 13

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    I liked Wanny at first, but I agree, he took what Jimmy had built, did absolutely nothing to improve or continue it, and it eventually fell apart. He was seemingly determined to win his way, with the worst starting QB in the league, and grinding out wins with defense.

    Maybe the most aggravating quote I've ever heard from a Miami coach was when he said (paraphrasing) that his goal with an 8 point lead in the second half was to run three times and punt. Not to get first downs and chew the clock. Not to score more points and put the game out of reach. Just to hope that the defense can prevent the other team from scoring the final 30 minutes.

    In his first four years as HC, there were seven different games where we went into halftime with a lead, failed to score a TD on offense in the second half, and went on to lose the game. And that doesn't include the Nightmare In NYC game where the Jets came back from down about 30 points, because we scored one TD in the second half that night. It falls on his game management and roster building failures.

    I never, ever, want another HC who takes his foot off the gas so quickly. Sparano was guilty of it too.
     
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  32. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    The other capper was running Ricky Williams into the ground in a meaningless game against the Jets after he rode him like a pony express horse all season, prompting one of the best running backs I've ever seen to quit the team. He ran Lamar Smith into the ground as well. Insisted on sticking with Jay Fiedler, drafted the immortal Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees, Eddie Moore, etc.
     
  33. dolphin25

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    Not sure about cutting Jordan. I think I read somewhere we would save like a quarter if we cut him. Might as well keep him
     
  34. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Why did we sign Coples in the first place? Should have let him clear waivers. Kid sucks.
     
  35. Unlucky 13

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    Thats not true. We'd save about half of the six million he's scheduled to earn in 2016 if we cut (or trade) him. Eating 3 mil to save 3 mil doesn't normally appeal that much to me, but with Jordan, he's a lost cause, so lets recover what we can and move on.
     
  36. jim1

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    If the Dolphins end up sticking with Dan Campbell, unlikely as it may be, I wouldn't discount Jedd Fisch as OC to run the offense for Campbell. He was rising up the ranks quickly until his fallout in Jax, plus the University of Michigan connection with Ross doesn't hurt. I wouldn't mind sticking with Campbell but he'd need strong coordinators, especially a play calling OC who can work well with QBs.
     
  37. Springveldt

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    Never has a coach did so little with so much talent.

    In the 2002 season we went 9-7, finished 3rd in the division but had the leagues leading rusher and sack leader on defense.

    We had 7 Pro-Bowlers on the team (6 on defense, 2 of whom may end up in the HOF one day). The pro-bowlers that year where Ricky, JT, TimBo, Zach, Surtain, Madison and Brock Marion yet we finished 9-7. I'd bet Philbin would have made the playoffs with that roster.

    It's an utter disgrace what Wannstedt achieved with that roster.
     
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  38. Fin D

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    A capable coach would have taken the Wannidiot teams to the Super Bowl, that walking bag of chucklenuts won only 1 playoff game and killed a running back's career to do it all before he had the leading sacker and leading rusher and missed the playoffs altogether, all while killing the career of a potential all time great RB.

    ........aaaaaand all of that, while literally sending our team on such a downward spiral in the personnel department that we STILL have not recovered from it.

    It amazes me how many people HATE Philbin when he did more with less than Wannidiot did. He wasted the careers of ZT, JT, Ricky, Sam & Pat.

    **** Wannidiot. **** him in his goat ***.
     
  39. dolphin25

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    I do believe 8 or the 12 teams going to the playoffs have first time head coaches with their teams...... looks like we just experimented wrong.
     
  40. dgfred

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    It looks like all the teams are hearing the same little group of guys. None of which are too good to me.
     

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