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Merge: Report: Joe Philbin wanted to replace Ryan Tannehill with Derek Carr

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by muskrat21, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    My bad, wasn't aiming to be defensive. Just fed up with the constant drama surrounding this team. Hopefully the new coaching staff does a better job of getting everyone on the same page.
     
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  2. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You keep telling yourself that. Legitimate NFL analysts discuss those metrics all the time. But please, let's spare this thread another "it's a team sport and the QB can never rise above or influence the level of play of those around him" campaign.
     
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  3. bakedmatt

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    If Blair Walsh makes an easy kick, it's a come-from-behind win for Teddy Bridgewater and a loss for Russell Wilson.
     
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  4. bakedmatt

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    If Jeremy Hill doesn't fumble, it's a come-from-behind win for A.J. McCarron and a loss for Ben Roethlisberger.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Don't worry about it, if Rock sees a post from me, it's almost guaranteed that there'll be a snippy response to the opposite of what I wrote.
     
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  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Ummm...both Philbin and Lazor were fired. Because they were inept.

    But the "TDF" isn't objective?

    I guess you're claiming to be the objective one?
     
  7. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Neither coach believed in him yet they insist he throws a billion times per game. Doesn't make sense to me.
     
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  8. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Philbin has never been a balanced offense coach not sure what there is to make sense of. That's the offense the Dolphins hired.
     
  9. Phinj

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    Neither coach believed in him yet they insist he throws a billion times per game. Doesn't make sense to me.

    Perhaps his version of "Fail forward fast".
     
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  10. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    So with his job on the line he continues to have Ryan throw all game long, game after game?
     
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  11. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I hear ya' my man. Yeah, I hope so as well. I'm putting all of that jazz behind me and looking forward to a new start....again, but it's cool. I am going to support Tanne and hope this new regime can turn things around. Hopefully, onward and upward.
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you have no point as it relates to Wilson to tannehill...none.
     
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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    wow........wow......lol...just speaking for myself here but I cannot trust your evaluation of the QB position on any level..
     
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  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Of course I have, we all make mistakes, but this is the mistake that keeps on giving, directly in the face of incredible play by the QB being compared to...

    I'm surprised I'm not reading sh$$ like " see he only scored 10 points for his offense, see Ryan averaged better than that"
     
  15. slickj101

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    You're getting all bent out of shape bc people are intelligently saying that while RW is really good, this wasn't one of his better games.

    That sounds like a quote I'd read about RT on here.
     
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  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I said what I said because you can't keep going back to that well and somehow correlate a bad play or game by Wilson with anything related to Ryan tsnnehill, one has proven time and time again, even against everything that supposedly he was propped up by, now to continue to try and make correlations with our own using him is just plain pissing people off...still waiting for the same folks who are doing this to admit they were wrong in the first place when the crowed all year about how he was a product of their system, a product who leached himself to marshawn lynch, or how he was just plain overrated, if they had the balls to admit how wrong they were and just apologized for all the sh$$ talk all year, I wouldn't be saying the stuff I am...
     
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  17. cbrad

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    What's your problem dj? I mentioned NOTHING about how Ryan would perform nor implied anything regarding Tannehill's performance in similar conditions. And what "road" are you seriously referring to??

    Either read what you comment on or don't comment.
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why are you even mentioning the two in the same sentence, why are you pointing out one mistake and mentioning tannehills name ...why?
     
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  19. cbrad

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    I responded to Stringer Bell who responded to resnor who was bringing back this RW vs. Tannehill comparison. I don't think Tannehill is anywhere near RW, but resnor's right about RW not having a good game. Stringer Bell made it look like RW did have a good game.

    Read what you quoted again and tell me if you disagree with ANY of it.
     
  20. Fin D

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    Bull****.

    You are so bent out of shape about this whole thing you've left reason in the toilet.

    The point being made, which you refuse to understand, is that even Wilson has to get bailed out by his team and the same consideration is never even given to lowly Thill. Never.

    Wilson can suck for entire game and get blown by you guys because the rest of his team stepped up and pulled out win. Thill can ball all game and his defense can give up 30+ points and you guys blame him for the loss. ALL OF YOU do this crap over and over and over. Its maddening. Then when we point out the double standard, you ALL fill your pants because how dare we compare these two!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Its farcical now. You guys have gone from just reasonable sports fans to full on haters and have reached beyond that to Bond villains, that pet their cat named Russell while you say, "No Mr. Tannehill, I expect you to die!"
     
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  21. resnor

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    There is no comparison of Tannehill to Wilson. I'm merely talking about 4th quarter wins. You understand that, right? I'm pointing out, using the Seahawks game AS AN EXAMPLE, that there is often much more to a 4th quarter comeback than just the QB. I didn't compare Wilson to Tannehill. Hell, I'm not even trying to compare the Seahawks to the Dolphins.

    Yeah, it was really hard for him to chuck it to a receiver standing all alone 20 yards downfield. The better part of the play was Wilson recovering the football without simply falling on it.

    No one is making any claims about Tannehill...

    It was a good play. The throw wasn't really all that hard. Receiver was wide open in the middle of the field, with no one around him.
     
  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Dude, just the same, I'm waiting on you to actually admit that having a defense that holds the opposing team to 3 points for a majority of the game, and ends up holding the opponent to 9 points isn't a significant advantage for a QB. You get all bent out of shape, and act as if I'm somehow saying that Wilson isn't any good. I'm not. But, it's disingenuous at best, to keep acting like the defense isn't a huge factor in the success of Seattle.
     
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  23. roy_miami

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  24. DolphinGreg

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    Everyone knows Seattle is all about defense. Same as the Chiefs and Vikings. God only knows what Teddy Bridgewater or Alex Smith or Russell Wilson would look like having the pressure Tannehill does.

    We can talk about Play-off or 4th quarter pressure but I know if I was a QB I'd rather be in those guys' shoes than Tannehill's. I'm sure Tannehill is dying for that kind of pressure, lol.

    I don't get why guys like Russell Wilson are so polarizing. If someone is clutch, they are clutch. Thats really what sports are about.

    I see the same thing in golf right now with Jordan Spieth. He's the #1 player in the world but he's not Tiger Woods or Rory McIlroy so theres constant doubt. I get that. I understand it. Spieth's being #1 is like Chad Pennington winning the Super Bowl. You'd feel a little robbed because you'd know there was something missing in the performance of the QB.

    So you know what you do? Acknowledge someone is clutch and that they are a champion and then start ranking champions. Is Aaron Rodgers better than Russell Wilson? Yes, by a long shot. But both of those guys are clutch so at the end of the day they are why we watch sports.

    I think it's the fact that the world still fawns over guys like Spieth and Wilson without drawing any distinction between them and the truly Great ones like Woods and Brady...thats what irks people. What they do is impressive. They win titles and majors. You can't take away clutch putts or game-winning plays but by and large they still don't come off as Great with a capital G.

    There are champions and there are Champions. The latter carry their teams. I can't see Russell Wilson as doing that scoring 10 points or whatever, always leaving his team desperate until late in the game but whatever. It's who he is. It's dramatic.
     
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  25. VManis

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    I'm curious as to why people are accepting this story at face value. It's not like Armando has a great track record of breaking stories. There are also a number of things that just seem odd about the story.


    1. If true this is a pretty big story so why bury it in his blog rather than a feature article?
    2. There are no sources at all in the blog. Even when sources are confidential we get the typical "a person inside the organization" or some other way of giving credence to the source but in this article Armando only says "I've been told"
    3. The article says that Philbin wanting to keep Sherman but move on from Tannehill but wasn't RT Sherman's guy. Would Sherman be on board with drafting another QB, seems unlikely.
    4. If Philbin wasn't sold on RT, why did his offense rely so heavily on him? Most coaches who don't trust their QB make them into game managers but RT's passing attempts rank up towards the top of the league.
    5. Why did this story come out now? Why not when the events occurred or when Philbin was fired.

    To me this article sounds like a conspiracy theory which was based off Gase's comment about having Ryan's back.
     
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  26. dolphin25

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    Wow really? You want to over look RW had the highest QB rating in the league and the fact he was sacked like 1 time less then Tannehill. Not to mention how many times RW has avoided sacks compared to taking them like RT OMG , comments like yours just blow my mind.
     
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  27. resnor

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    Huh? That actually backs up what I'm saying. In a game where the defense held the opponent to a lower score, the Dolphins won. I'm arguing that Seattle's defense routinely holds teams to those sorts of scores, which makes Wilson's job a whole lot easier, and makes 4th quarter comebacks and wins alot easier.
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Greatness, especially in golf, is about winning. Spieth is, right now, great. If he continues this trend of simply winning, he will be an all-time great.
     
  29. Rock Sexton

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    Only on a Miami Dolphins fan board do these kinds of conversations take place LOL.
     
  30. Fin D

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    No, only Finheaven and now here do these conversations take place. Wonder why that is........
     
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  31. resnor

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    Conversations about how defenses help win games???
     
  32. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Having to convince people that defenses help win games.

    Only Finheaven and here. I wonder what the common denominators are.......
     
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  33. dolphin25

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    I certainly hope so............a Dolphins board talking about the Dolphins, imagine that :)
     
  34. gilv13

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    This is in my early running for quote of year.
     
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  35. DolphinGreg

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    The strongest element of the Seahawks team is their defense.

    That's my view.
     
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  36. jdang307

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    http://www.sbnation.com/fantasy/201...annehill-matt-moore-fantasy-football-dolphins

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ame-ryan-tannehill-the-starter-for-week-four/

    Here you have the head coach refusing to name him the starter.

    The TDF, argued, well that's his M.O. He NEVER names a starter. and they really believed it.

    Other fans, will do their due diligence and find that he's named starters all of the time. And just didn't want to this time. Wonder why. Probably because Derek Carr was playing on the other side and he was a bitter old man.
     
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  37. resnor

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    Again, Philbin was FIRED due to his incompetence. But, the "objective" posters are lending credence to anything that the guy did. It's far more objective to believe that his decision making on Tannehill was just as inept as his work in other areas.
     
  38. Rock Sexton

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    Too funny to think back to the denial that was going on with the part of some fans around that time.
     
  39. Rock Sexton

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    I was referring to the "Tannehill is just as good as Russell Wilson" topic.
     

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