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Dolphins hire Vance Joseph(for reals)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Disgustipate, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He was one of my favorites this coaching cycle, and I'm glad they got him.

    He is likely to run something along the line of Wade Phillips defense.
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Inb4, Coyle parallels.

    Cause its definitely coming.
     
  3. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    They've already been made.

    I'm still not understanding what the plan is for hiring so many first time everythings.
     
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  4. ILDolPhan

    ILDolPhan New Member

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    I know there will be a ton of talk about Suh converting to a 3-4 if that's the defense Joseph designs, but a Wade Phillips 3-4 attacking scheme could be very interesting with Suh in it. I wouldn't be too excited if it was a 3-4 read and react where he'd occupy blockers.
     
  5. cbrad

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    Social experiment.. possibly at our expense haha.

    Either way, gotta see what happens first though I agree it does create some worries on the surface.
     
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  6. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    On the surface?

    **** through and through. Wow. With all the possible people we go with a guy who has Zero DC experience:pity:
     
  7. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    What took them so long.:wink2:

    Seriously , Joseph could not be contacted until today beause of tampering fears. Having said that we got our first choice ...again. It was Joseph all the way all along IMO.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...sees-vance-joseph-as-a-star-says-marvin-lewis
     
  8. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'll probably do a write-up like I did last year. Gimme a few weeks.
     
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  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So do you know what the relative success rate of first time defensive coordinators vs. rehashes is?
     
  10. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  11. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Is the WP style a hybrid? a 4-3 under, or a 3-4 base???

    I saw per the video it starts as a cover2 shell...but wondering beyond that personnel wise, is it a 4-3 or a 3-4 or a hybrid of the two?
     
  12. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Which would've been great before we jettisoned all of our players who are were 3/4 ready and committed to the 4/3 by signing Suh.

    Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
     
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  13. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Phillips' style 3-4 uses a shaded NT and a 3-technique. It won't matter much with Suh as he's capable of playing 1, 2i, 3, and 4i techniques. He's a definite fit. Jordan Phillips was a NT in this style of defense at Oklahoma. Earl Mitchell was a NT in this defense in Houston before he signed (though I'd still look for a replacement for him). The tricky part, I think, is going to be finding the guy who plays the J.J. Watt role - the 4, 5 and 6 technique guy. Quinton Coples and Derrick Shelby represent the best shot at that of guys who are on the roster until the league year ends.
     
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  14. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Probably doesn't matter, but it's traditionally a 3-4. However, there's not much difference in alignment and techniques played. The difference is in personnel, and even then, most of your defense is nickel anyways in today's NFL.
     
  15. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Does Damontre Moore fit?
     
  16. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Good video, but are the players we have suited for the 3-4 right now? He talks about having a good front 7 that can stop the run on 1st and 2nd down but we've got some work to do there personnel-wise, IMO, especially if Reshad Jones is not coming up as often to help with run support. And where does Suh fit here? Will he be a 3-4 end or a NT? Will he have as much impact in those same roles as he does in a 4-3?
     
  17. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd think so. If I'm making a 2-deep depth chart out of what we have on the roster right now, prior to free agency and the draft, I'd have it like this for the front 7:

    DE - Coples, Shelby, Fede
    NT - Phillips, Mitchell, Coleman
    DT - Suh, TBD
    WLB - Vernon, Moore
    ILB - Jenkins, Hewitt
    ILB - Sheppard, Vigil
    SLB - Misi, Wake*

    *Wake I think you just naturally kind of move him to a pass-rush specialist role for sub packages. Miami's going to need to invest in a long, lean DE type, and a LOT at LB.
     
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  18. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    RE: Reshad Jones - I think it's merely a philosophy to sit and wait in the quarters/2-high shell. I think you'll see a lot of rotating late to get Jones closer to the box.

    RE: Ndamukong Suh - one of the "DE" spots in the video is someone playing 3-technique, which is predominantly what Suh's played. It's a one-gap scheme so I don't think there's much worry about Suh sitting as a 5-technique and 2-gapping. He's a fit, and his position doesn't change much, IMO. You can still move him where you want him.

    Miami's going to need a pass-rush OLB, if they don't re-sign Vernon, a 4/5/6 technique end, unless they think Coples and Fede can do it, assuming they don't re-sign Shelby, a bigger ILB to play next to Jenkins (not Vigil or Hewitt or Misi), and I think you look at getting someone like an Ahmad Brooks to play SAM.
     
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  19. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Per the Joesph video, so Suh is the DE next to Will LB (Vernon), and Coples is DE next to Sam LB (Misi/Wake3rd downs)? Jenkins is Mi LB, and Sheppard is Mo LB?
     
  20. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pretty much, though they could decide to shift the front under or over do play Suh where they want him. In the video, it's in an under look. Miami used a lot more over looks last year and kept Suh to the left of the defense. That may change. It doesn't matter really; he's so good he can play wherever.
     
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  21. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    2005 San Fransisco 30th ranked defense allowed 428 points with a point differential of -189 ( record 4-12)
    2006 San Fransisco 32nd ranked defense allowed 412 points with a point differential of -114 (record 7-9)
    2007 San Fransisco 20th ranked defense allowed 264 points with a point differential of -145 (record 5-11)
    2008 San Fransisco 23rd ranked defense allowed 381 points with a point differential of -42 Adam Gace Offensive assistant (record 7-9)
    2009 San Fransisco 4th ranked defense allowed 281 points with a point differential of 49 (record 8-8)
    2010 San Fransisco 16th ranked defense allowed 346 points with a point differential of -41 (record 6-10)
    2011 Houst Texans 4th ranked defense allowed 278 points with a point differential of 103 (record 10-6)
    2012 Houst Texans 9th ranked defense allowed 331 points with a point differential of 85 (record 12-4)
    2013 Houst Texans 24th ranked defense allowed 428 points with a point differential of -152 (record 2-14)
    2014 Cinci Bengals 12th ranked defense allowed 344 points with a point differential of 21 (record 10-5-1)
    2015 Cimci Bengals 2nd ranked defense allowed 279 points with a point differential of 140 (record 12-4)
     
  22. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    I've read a lot of people worried about suh moving around and it just boggles my mind. The man couldlineup anywhere and play. I doubt he'd be happy playing nose but I bet he could. Not saying we should or anything
     
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  23. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Hope they keep Dion if they go 3-4...
     
  24. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    NO

    Without getting to deep into it, and I defined Culture in another thread, It is hard to establish a culture of winning when you have little idea what it looks like. If he was the DC during those times it would be differnt, but he wasnt he was a position coach. In the 10 yr NFL career of VJ he has been on 1 team that had a winning record and that was in Texas with Gary Kubiak - 12-4 and 10-6. Most of the defense he was with with the exception of 1 yr in San Fran and the two years in Texas regressed or where stagnet.

    I'll give the guy a chance but I will not be holding my breath
     
  25. jinx

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    Joseph was certainly a hot commodity. Don't pretend to know how he will turn out but can't bag on Gase for getting his man.
     
  26. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    good get.
     
  27. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It would be more pertinent to post the pass defense rankings along with the talent on each one of those referenced teams, if we were to get a fuller look. That's not even considering the talent playing in front of the secondaries he has coached.
     
  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I tried to find some of that info and will look again.

    I just dont understand this whole hot commodity thing with Gace and Joseph. If they were or are so hot why have they each been with so many teams. Teams that have not been good to boot.

    It is no secret our Defense has a lot of issues. Just not sure a guy with only DB positional exp is the answer.
     
  29. Sceeto

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    I really like this hire. He's just what this D needs.
     
  30. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Exits of Vance Joseph, Matt Burke leave Bengals without key assistants
    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/po...tt-burke-leave-bengals-without-key-assistants

     
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  31. jdang307

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    No scheme guru at all (I just watch the damn games!) but media outlets reporting he will keep the 4-3 we have here. But Ronin is saying, it's just nomenclature anyway
     
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  32. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Per request Defensive passing league Rank for Vance Joseph coached teams

    2005 SF 32nd yards 31rst TD's 14 INT's 32 YPA(7.3)
    2006 SF 26th yards 27th TD's 22 INT's 25th YPA(6.5)
    2007 SF 22nd yards 20th TD's 29 INT's 21rst YPA(6.3)
    2008 SF 24th yards 20th TD's 21 INT's 21rst YPA (6.1)
    2009 SF 21rst yards 2nd TD's 11 INT's 12th YPA (5.9)
    2010 SF 22nd yards 24th YD's 21 INT's 17th YPA(6.3)
    2011 HT 3rd Yards 6th TD's 13 INT's 2nd YPA(5.2)
    2012 HT 16th yards 24th TD's 14th INT's 8th YPA(5.8)
    2013 HT 3rd Yards 21rst TD's 13th INT's 13th YPA(6.3)
    2014 CB 20th Yards 3rd TD's 3rd INT's 13th YPA (6.2)
    2015 CB 20th Yards 2nd TD's 3rd INT's 6th YPA(5.8)
     
  33. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Kinda paints a different picture, no?
     
  34. 2socks

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    Defensive Schemes coach By Vance Joseph

    2005 SF 3-4
    2006 SF 4-3
    2007 SF 3-4
    2008 SF 3-4
    2009 SF 3-4
    2010 SF 3-4
    2011 HT 3-4
    2012 HT 3-4
    2013 CB 4-3
    2014 CB 4-3
    2015 CB 4-3
     
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  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I just don't know if this is more of the smoke screen crap we got last year trying to build hype for next year with the hot coach talk but, Geez it sure does paint a Rembrandt for me

    I am trying to stay positive
     
  36. Rocky Raccoon

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    You've got 24 hours.
     
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  37. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Honest question, if any or all of these coaches fail, will you really be less upset because you chose not to be positive about it? For me, a loss sucks just as much if I expected it or I didn't.

    If you're going to get the lows of when your team tanks, why deprive yourself of hope? I mean whats the point of being a fan if you're miserable all the time.
     
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  38. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Can you explain to me why you're using the Bears defenses of the last two years?
     
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  39. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Wait, so you're saying Adam Gase wasn't hired to be the defensive coordinator?

    :chuckle:
     
  40. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    mistake

    Chicago Bears
    Cincinnati Bengals

    Adam Gace on the brain
     

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