Smith has been pretty good the past 6 years, but if you want to think it was just this year, that this ok. his early teams were the worst in the league, I don't recall any of them being predicted to win the division and then finish 5-11.
I'm talking about any comparison at all. I don't see it other than physical attributes, which Tannehill is a bigger stronger athlete. It took Smith 6-8 years to even come close to what Tannehill has been doing since year 2. And that's after Harbaugh and Andy Reid got their hands on him.
It's crazy how people are now acting like Alex Smith has been good for years. There's a reason that it's been common to use his name as a pejorative when referring to other QBs.
He has always been low on turnovers and a little low on excitement IMO. I like the way he controls his play tho.
Yeah, I just think it's funny. All of a sudden, there are people talking about Smith, and acting like Tannehill isn't as good as him. Smith is in his eleventh season, and his overall numbers are comparable to Tannehill in his second or third season.
The only correction I'd make is to point out Smith's ridiculously low INT percentage last season. Tannehill was top-10 but to give Smith credit, he was second only to Aaron Rodgers. Above that, I entirely agree. Plus, the point about Smith being in his 11th season...well...I've said the same thing. It's no different than Fitzpatrick who I believe is turning the corner in what, his 10th season? You give anyone that long and they'll find a niche. At a bare minimum Tannehill should be able to provide that kind of thing should he turn into a journeyman, but that's a worst case.
Numbers-wise, he's better than Tannehill in key areas. You can compare here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm Smith tends to average 3 times more TD than INT's his last 5 years with a passer rating averaging in the mid-90's and a Y/A average in the 7.5 range over that period. Tannehill hasn't really done better than 2 TD per INT, passer rating averaging around 90 at best with a Y/A at around 7, and that's for either a 2 or 3 year period (vs. 5) depending on which makes the stats look better. No, numbers-wise Alex Smith is clearly better efficiency-wise. Obviously, Tannehill is way better in yards but that's about it.
So, you're arguing that Smith in years 9, 10, and 11 has better efficiency numbers than Tannehill in his first four years? Not sure how that's relevant. There's also other factors outside of QB to consider in these things.
Yeah, I keep forgetting that the QB is solely responsible for wins and losses. Strangely, I haven't heard anyone calling for the Dolphins to pick up Smith at any point.
It's relevant because it contradicts what you said in the post I quoted. You said the numbers are comparable. They are not.
Each have had their own extenuating circumstances. Smith, had a different coordinator every year for his first years to start. Tannehill, went into basically his college system his first few years here. But he didn't have a lot of college starts. Smith was coming from a spread offense I believe? Huge transition. I thought I read an article where he said Smith was one of the first of many newer, spread offense QBs trying to transition to the NFL.
Perhaps I should have included Tannehill's 4th season, I guess. This season: Tannehill: 4208 yards, 7.2 ypa, 4.1 td% Smith: 3486 yards, 7.4 ypa, 4.3 td% 2014 Tannehill: 4,045 yards, 6.9 ypa, 4.6 td% 2013 Tannehll: 3,913 yards, 6.7 ypa, 4.1 td% 2009 Alex Smith: 2350 yards, 6.3 ypa, 4.8% Also, the average rating of Tannehill on his career is slightly higher than Smith's. Granted, this is over 11 games, but his average over those 11 games is pretty damn close to the numbers Tannehill was putting up in years 2 and 3. Like I said, there isn't some huge difference between the two guys, with Smith being somehow so much better. If you offered me a guy in his 11th season putting up these numbers, or a guy in his 4th year, who is still being developed, I take the guy in his 4th year. With Smith, you know what you have already. Arguably, his 11th season isn't better than Tannehill's 4th season, and Smith has certainly had some coaching advantages that Tannehill hasn't had. I also don't think that Smith has been on teams that overall were as bad as Tannehill, but I could be wrong, as I haven't really followed the 49ers or the Chiefs.
Hey I'm not advocating Smith over Tannehill just so that's clear. I think both are in the same QB ability category if we're choosing who to play going forward (neither is that great!). But Smith's average efficiency stats (the ones I listed) over the past 5 years beats Tannehill's over any number of years. I agree the teams they play on are different and yes Smith has had tons more time to develop so none of this is meant to diss Tannehill. It's meant to point out that Smith has been pretty good efficiency-wise over the last 5 years and no longer deserves all the criticism he received his first 5 years.
What are you trying to say? We should write off Smiths first 6 years or so? Tannehill never gets that same kind of benefit of the doubt, why should Smith?
I really don't put much into a veteran QB having marginally better stats in the last 5 years of his career than a young QB'S stats in his first four years, especially considering the complete cluster the Dolphins have been during this time.
Did you really get that from my post? I'm saying neither can be compared directly like that as they have had their own circumstances. It's right there at the beginning. "Each have had their own extenuating circumstances." Doesn't get more clear than that. Some of you guys be reading stuff that isn't in the post. Tannehill had the benefit of not having to change systems from college to the NFL. Smith had to endure a complete system change from the spread to the NFL, and then a new coordinator his first 5 years or so. There is a 7 year difference in their start date in the NFL, but Smith is only 4 years older. Weird. Anyway, their paths have taken such different routes that you can't say, year 1 vs year 1. It's really, right now, which is the better QB and moving forward.
Average YPA is higher in 2014 than it was in 2009. Ironically enough, both Smith's team and Tannehill's ranked 26th in the league in YPA in their respective 4th years.
That's great. Tannehill's numbers this year are basically better than Smith's. I mean, almost identical ypa and td%, and far more yards, because he had to throw more, meaning, it would seem, he was carrying more of the offense. Alex Smith had a 5.5 ypa average his first three years in the league. Honest question, how does that compare to Tannehill's 6.8 ypa average his first three years? I guess it's sort of meaningless, because in Tannehill's 4th season, he put up comparable numbers to Smith in his 11th. I don't get the comparison to Smith, really.
Smith doesnt have inflated numbers because he has a competent coach who runs the ball. Its as stupid to compare numbers as it is wins, watch football on a Sunday or two...Alex Smith is a good Qb who you can count on to be efficient, extend plays and make good decsions to move the chains. The Chiefs would not be a better football team with Ryan Tannehill although Im not so sure with our current cast we would be much better with Alex though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The revisionism going on with regards to Smith is truly hilarious. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this.
Either you have not watched him play much, or you are not appreciating what you are seeing. He is everything you want in a non alpha QB. We dont have many Arods, Bens, or Cam Newtons walking around....after those types of guys? Having an Alex Smith is just fine with me. He's an athletic Chad Pennington. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I hope the smith backers understand that chiefs fans and probably some around the team was ready to move on from Smith because of the 1-5 start. Imo he's a decent QB with a good support system around him and he won't get better. If Tannehill gets some of the support that Smith gets around him I'm sure he would shine more than Smith because he's putting similar numbers to Smith with crap around him for all of his career and I think he's still growing. Also, I have a feeling that the chiefs would be willing to trade Smith for Tannehill straight up. (not considering the contracts, the teams cap situation, and whatnot).
Funny seeing folks get defensive over praising Alex Smith......I'm convinced a few ppl dont watch any other games other than Miami's. (Cue this thread blowing up if he doesnt play well @NE without his best WR) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Alex Smith was considered a huge bust until a few years ago. Here is Alex Smith's carreer stats through year 5 (he sat out year 4 with an injury): 660 comp/1172 att. 56.3% 7029 yards 6.0 yards/att. 37 TDs 43 int. 69.2 QB rating Alex Smith was TERRIBLE until at least his 6th year in the league. Here are Tannehill's stats through year 4 in comparison: 1392 comp/2248 att. 61.9% 15460 yards 6.9 yards/att. 87 TDs 54 int. 85.2 QB rating More than twice the number of yards and TDs, nearly 6% better completion percentage, almost 1 YPA more, and 16 more points in QB rating. Oh, and that's through four years compared to Smith's first five years in the league. Quite frankly anyone who says they wish Tannehill was like Smith and at the same time want Tannehill gone are completely crazy.
Thank you. Don't get me wrong, I give credit where credit is due -- Alex Smith has been on it the last few years. But if Tannehill, through his first for years, was putting up the numbers Alex Smith did his five years, most of the board (probably myself included) would have wanted him replaced.
So its okay to credit a Qb for padded stats but wrong to judge him by wins. You guys are special. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Smith as an excuse to play badly without his best receiver, but either Thill sucks or the jury's out on him even though he's without an oline, OC, audibles and running game that's used correctly.
No, apparently, its perfectly ok to say wins are a QB stat and that 4th quarter is the most important, but then say games we won were in spite of Thill and he pads his stats in the 4th.
The ever elusive definition for "garbage time stats" is what I'm still pursuing. And Alex Smith is not anything special. Where we're all you Alex Smith supporters for the past 11 years? I've seen no one ever suggesting that we trade for Alex Smith. Now, I'm "not appreciating what I'm seeing" with him, as if Smith is like Rivers or Wilson or something.
With these comments in this thread you have shown your true bias when it comes to Tannehill as far as I'm concerned. I cant take your opinion of him seriously. I don't even think you realize it.
Throwing stones with glass houses. News flash...Ryan has struggled and is one more mediocre season from being 86'd. I have already expressed Im not so sure Alex woukd make a difference in Mia...but obviously that part is ignored. Smith has a better situation undoubtedly, but he also has much better intangibles as a QB. Ryan also throws at a much higher volume yet people resort to throwing out numbers?? Stupid. Just like if I said Alex Smith is the primary reason KC is one game from the AFC title game. Thats far from an unfair statement. But the anger you guys feel when you think a guy who has had as many bad games as good in this league and has shown very little in regards to being a playmaking QB, rather he has been at a disadvantage or not. How many times does Alex keep drives alive by improving on critical 3rd downs? Quite often. Its not a knock on Ryan that Smith has evolved from bust to an asset. But keep letting it bother you all you want, gives me some entertainment Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Bias? My opinion on Ryan as a QB hasnt wavered and frankly isn't unfair. I recognize the reasons he is at a disadvantage, but i also recognize he isn't exactly looking like a franchise QB in the rare good situation his surroundings allow. Im sure it would make some feel better if I just stopped at his situation is not ideal, but then I would be lying. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
