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Miami Dolphins head coach Adam Gase shows confidence going all-in on the offense

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    QB money? Those guys are proven franchise QBs, no one has a problem paying franchise QBs, all 3 make about the same, Rivers 20 mil per, Tanne 19 mil per, and Romo 18 mil per, but only 2 of them are proven franchise QBs, and there's the problem.
     
  2. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Right back at you bro.
     
  3. dgfred

    dgfred Free Agent pickup

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    That is my point too... proven has-beens. They are not going anywhere... at least RT has a future chance IMO. The key word is future.
     
  4. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Has beens? So they suck now?
     
  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    First page of this thread is definitely worth the rehashed article.. :lol:
     
  6. Ohio Fanatic

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    people are also ignoring the fact that Chicago's defense was so injury riddled that is was garbage all season. that effects the offense as well if they are always in crappy field position and playing from behind.
     
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  7. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Even without chicagos injuries their defense was still going to be garbage^
     
  8. dgfred

    dgfred Free Agent pickup

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    They are getting there fast IMO. Their futures are not bright IMO... do you think they are?
     
  9. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Negativity in life is not a healthy way to be all the time....it will cause medical issues for some eventually, and my goodness, this is just football that brings this out.....Think Positive for awhile for anyone that might be in this type of rut.....New Coach, All new Coaching Staff, FA upcoming, The Draft, Calling plays to fit each players skill set maximizing strengths and getting rid of weaknesses on both offense and defensive.....Most of all.....this is New Year....get behind your team and get excited.....things are changing in Miami finally,for the better.
     
  10. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    And what does that have to do with the evaluation of Gase? Injuries are apart of the game. They also impact on how a unit performs. Staying healthy is a huge part of success. See Green Bay w/o Jordy Nelson and their injuries at offensive line. Or a healthy New England in the first half of the season vs. an an injury plagued New England in the second half of the season. We're talking about a team that DOMINATED when healthy, to the tune of 10-0. NE finished the last stretch of the season 2-4 for a reason...

    While Fin D may not have been insinuating that because they had injuries they might have been the worst offense in the league without Gase, I am.

    1. Significant injuries cause a decline in offensive production. that is fact. The Bears offense was a rotating cast of players week to week. Also a fact. From WR's, TE's, RB's, and OL (I forgot about pro bowl G, Kyle Long being moved to RT to help stop the bleeding. Remember when we tried something similar w/Pouncey at RG? Yeah, same kind of results).

    2. Jay Cutler is a horrible QB. How many offensive minds have been brought in to fix him? How many have succeeded? One. Gase. Under Gase, Jay Cutler had the best year of his career. Lowest INT % of his career in a full season. Highest Y/A of his career, highest AY/A of his career, highest QB rating of his career, best TD/INT ratio of his career.

    3. Bears ranked 23rd in scoring and 23rd in yards gained in 2014. In 2015, Bears ranked 23rd in scoring and 21st in yards gained. Under Gase, the bears gained about 300 yards more this season. So they did improve, under Gase, which is contrary to what you're saying. But let's look deeper into that...

    4. Since we're using The Bears previous 2014 season as an example, let me point something else out... Jeffery, Marshall, and Bennett were the top receiving threats in 2014. Those three combined for 236 catches, 2770 yards, and 24 TD's. To put that into perspective, Cutler complete 370 passes, threw for 3800 yards, and 28 TD's in 2014. In 2015, Jeffery, Bennett, and White (Marshall's replacement), combined for 105 catches, 1246 yards, and 7 TD's and played a combined 19 games (9, 11, 0). To put that into perspective, Cutler completed 311 passes, 3600 yards, and 21 TD.

    Despite losing 131 catches, 1521 yards, and 15 TD's from the year previously, Jay Cutler had the best season of his career and somehow, Chicago matched a 23rd ranked scoring offense from a year previous and somehow managed to gain 300 yards MORE in total offense for the year... Give Jay cutler even half of that production back from 2014, and he's in the pro bowl and Chicago's offense ranks inside the top 10. Yeah, I'd say that's impressive.

    Gase did a wonderful job in Chicago. Chicago's offense was more effective and more efficient than in the year previous, despite losing 28 games worth of total production from his injured stars. And that doesn't even include his injured backups, Royal and Wilson, to replace his injured starters. Gase succeed in Chicago. There's no way anyone should be convinced otherwise.

    Gase knows offense. And he gets the most out of his players. That doesn't mean he will succeed in Miami, but that doesn't mean this guy is some hack who somehow bamboozled some team into giving him a job. That narrative needs to die because it's not based in reality.
     
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  11. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    You're putting an awful lot of words in my mouth, not one thing that you said I said is true.
     
  12. Fin D

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    Just stop.

    You took a sentence completely out of context because you want to derail every thread. I literally qualified that sentence right after.

    I can't wait till you're banned.
     
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  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Been hearing that since Shula
     
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  14. Fin4Ever

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    All of us Older lifetime fans have....I will still represent my team faithfully again this year and I will be upbeat about it until they do not show improvement....I have to do it in this way as it is too long of an off season to just not see something good might be going on here, starting with the search, the interviews, the thoroughness of background checks on each of these guys, getting to know their history, how Gase plans to turn the team into a Contender and so far the way he has been hand picking some of the best in the Business Coordinators and Asst.Coaches and Closing the deal. Again, altogether different Professional approach to the way this is being handled. Again...off-season way too long to feel, be,or read negativity all the time.
     
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  15. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Well, don't hold your breath on that bro.

    Now tell us all here how I took this sentence out of context;

    You clearly insinuate that perhaps Gase is the reason they weren't the worst O in the league, and actually, insinuate is the wrong word because you just flat out said it was a possibility.

    So please clarify how in the wide world I took that out of context, are there any english majors here that could help out?
     
  16. cbrad

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    Yeah no one should criticize you for your stance. It's perfectly reasonable from a "what's good for my life" point of view. But it's also easy to see why many others can't take that stance because of its persistent failures. I'm mostly neutral, neither positive nor negative about this. That works too btw!
     
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  17. resnor

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    Because you took the part about worst in the league, which he had classified that he wasn't saying was absolutely the case, and ran with that, and argued against that.
     
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  18. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Lol, show me where I did that please.
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Learn to effing read.

    This has been pointed out to a number of times and its that that makes you a troll.
     
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  20. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Nor did I ever say you said they would, so whats your point?
     
  21. Fin4Ever

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    Oh, I agree...I have been with our team since 66 so I have been through them all lol...good times Will return to Miami..very soon I hope...neutral is a great way to hang during the off-season as well, and believe me, I also understand the frustration that many of our fans have...big key here, they are still our fans and loyalty deserves to be rewarded.
     
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  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Troll.
     
  23. resnor

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    Right here, you attack the notion that the offense could conceivably have been any worse than 23.

    You then actually show your point here, by showing that you were arguing against them potentially being the worst in the league.

    Which he wasn't. He was saying, you have to allow for the possibility. That's called falsifiability. You know what that is, right?
     
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  24. dolphin25

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    I do admire your approach. I did that for many years. I hear the clock ticking and it seems to be ticking faster :) I do like the fact that he SEEMS to be getting good hires on his staff.
     
  25. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    1st off, I attacked nothing, I simply stated that the offense was very similarly ranked the year before.

    Secondly, I did allow for the "possibility";
     
  26. Fin D

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    If that's "allowing for the possibility" then its even more egregious you continue to give me crap for what I said which was me straight up saying I'm not saying they would have been the worst.
     
  27. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    lol
     
  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Could have had Eric Mangini as DC
     
  29. resnor

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    Similarly ranked, yet with a ton of key injuries, and Cutler had his best year of his career.
     
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  30. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    It's heartening to know that he readily uses the two and even three TE sets.
     

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