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OC Clyde Christensen: I will be Ryan Tannehill’s ally

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. dgfred

    dgfred Free Agent pickup

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    If I remember correctly before the season started we were supposed to have like a top-5 defense. Instead, it was like bottom-5.

    I think I even drafted them in one of my fantasy leagues... ouch.

    Can we do a re-do on the season firing Philpin before it starts? I really thought we would start the season 4-0, 5-0, or with 1 loss mixed in.

    Our defense lost at home to a QB that had his collarbone broken and it was his first game back.
    Their 'team' ended with a terrible record and are drafting ahead of us. What I learned from the Patriot game at the end of the season is that our 1st team D is better than the Pats 2nd/3rd team offense with Brady included.

    If our defense gets about 1/4 better, our OL gets about 1/2 better and our QB does just a little bit better the team will be decent.
    If you improve those numbers for the D and the OL and maybe even the QB to about 1/4 better... playoff bound.

    That is no QB problem to begin with IMO.
     
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  2. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    This thread is hilarious.
     
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  3. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Joseph possibly revealing 1st round priority?
     
  4. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Threads like this are why I've pretty much given up on the mains.
     
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  5. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    It's also worth noting that with Lazor gone and TH involved in the game plan and allowed to audible, we were much worse. A fact that often goes unspoken by some.
     
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  6. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    You mean when Zac Taylor was running the offense?
     
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  7. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    No. When tannehill was. It's what everyone was asking for (supporters, haters, and those sitting on the fence). I was curious to see what would happen also. You have to be honest and say if the offense played better, the supporters would be riding that wave.
     
  8. resnor

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    And I think if you're being honest, you'd admit that trying to make any determinations, especially this season with losing the head coach, OC, and DC, is completely and totally stupid.

    I don't think anyone expected to see the offense suddenly blossom with Lazor gone and Taylor assuming responsibility. We expected to see more use of the ground game. The ****ty play design was going to continue, as you can't simply start running a brand new playbook halfway through the season.
     
  9. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    People were asking for an offense that fit Tannehill''s skill set better, yes. I don't think anyone meant handing him the keys to a car that had just been driven off a cliff.
     
  10. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    The defense underperformed no question...but its hard not to mention we were 27th out of 32 teams in scoring. Not that 19th in points allowed is some great accomplishment, but you can't walk around scoring 19ppg and expect to be any better than 6 wins.

    And maybe QB isn't a problem? But it certainly isn't a solution to this point.
     
  11. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    The last part is 110% true.
     
  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well, that would have been unbelievable if the offense did better after losing the OC and having the QB coach calling the plays. Especially considering it was the second half of a dismal season.
     
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  13. Sceeto

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    You know I've certainly have had my complaints and concerns, but regardless, this is it. Right or wrong, this is pretty much his last chance with this team. Either he will shine and become the franchise QB that we've wanted for so long. He wil take us into the playoffs and we will all rejoice and be happy or... he will stay the same or regress and slip into Miami's Post Marino QB Abyss. Some will then cite reasons for why it wasn't necessarily his fault and others will say that he wasn't good enough. That debate and piss storm will continue for awhile until that too fades into oblivion.

    I know that most of us who have had complaints and concerns would like nothing more than for Tanne to become great and then eat a big bowl of crow. What we have to hope for is for these guys to finally be a good regime for the team. You don't have to get overly excited or anything, but one would think that we all hope for these guys to finally be a competent staff, so there's not as many excuses on either side.
     
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  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Again fair. I, however, think better coaching (ie game planning, scheming) and an improved oline will solve a lot of problems on offense.
     
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  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Just saw this......wth?

    He's the one being inconsistent, why does that make me stupid?
     
  16. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Oh, I wasn't jumping in on that discussion, I was just ribbing you on your Tanne beat Cousins head to head comment.
     
  17. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    And it will 100%....

    I'd be surprised if anyone around here really believes Ryan won't look better with better surroundings, atleast I hope not. And to me proper coaching/scheming can help hide a troubled OL. Ive said it before, OL's have been getting their asses kicked for the most part the past 5 or so years unless you have one of those really good ones (Cinn, Dall) you need to find ways to mask it to a degree. I'm really trying not to get excited about what Gase could possibly mean to this offense...but would it shock anyone if we ended up scoring 23-24ppg next season??

    To me you sign some OG's and shore up some depth in FA and focus on defense in the draft.
     
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  18. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I don't know exactly how much Taylor changed the offense so who knows..but Ryan was sacked at a lesser rate and in some cases seemed a little more in control of the offense.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    so is tyrod taylor..

    id take a swing at dak prescott, and that should get tannehill to play his best, prescott a natural leader.
     
  20. dgfred

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    Yeah... his team went far.
     
  21. Shane Falco

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    FYI, when those 3 thank your post, it was worthless.
     
  22. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    But a guy like Shou is a problem....
     
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  23. shamegame13

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    Remember Speed? I have a strange suspicion
     
  24. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Makes sense actually...maybe we should lead a mob accusing him of being X in hopes he is banned from TP forever!!
     
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  25. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I mean, from what I read in his posts, its almost identical.
     
  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i would ban that sh$$..messed up, lucky some folks are behind keypads.
     
  27. CaribPhin

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    I think Gase is the right guy regardless of the current personnel. I'd love to be able to take Brissett in the third or fourth round because I think he's that good regardless of how Tannehill plays. Gase and Tannehill have one guaranteed year together though so if that works out I won't complain.
     
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  28. dgfred

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    I wouldn't mind a QB at that point... but not him. Why do you think he would be a good fit?
     
  29. CaribPhin

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    This is something I posted in November. Only things that have changed is that I've soured more on Lynch:

     
  30. cuchulainn

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    Based on what? Everything I've read on him says 7th round or undrafted... 6th round at the most.

    Brissert and Wentz both did very little in college. He had 458 total completions and less than 60% pass completion percentage out of a spread offense. He's drawing some comparisons to CKap... But hey, Carson Wentz is now trending as a 1st rounder and the Cowboys are supposedly "all in" on him, and they have similar passer stats. lol...

    Weak QB class IMO...

    YMMV.
     
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  31. jdang307

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    I expected him to improve this year, despite his shortcomings I figure his ceiling is a pretty good starting QB. Will he be elite? I won't rule it out but I don't see it. Can he become just below elite like, Big Ben and Romo? I think that's his ceiling.
     
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  32. CaribPhin

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    Based on watching Brissett improve year on year in his two actual playing seasons in college.

    Any comparison between Brissett and Kaepernick is transparent in what they're trying to say. Kaepernick was a fastball thrower with elite top end speed. Brissett is a pocket passer with little running game to speak of. His throws show much more anticipation and accuracy. That superficial analysis reeks of black guy QB. Walter Football is pretty respected and grades him as a 3-4 rounder. He only started for two seasons in college which were at NC State and explain his low completion total. This past season, Brissett got to 60% completions. You know who didn't have a single season at 60% or more at NC State? Russell Wilson. It's NC State. This is completely superficial based on numbers and the one or two articles it took me 5 seconds to find on Google.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000496305/article/top-senior-prospects-for-2016-draft-top-50

    That article, which I'm sure you got the Kaepernick comparison from, didn't include this past season in which Brissett took it to Clemson.
     
  33. dgfred

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    The big difference is Russell wins games... Brissett could not actually pull that off. I don't know... it was such a disappointing season for the Wolfpack when they had such high hopes.
     
  34. CaribPhin

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    NC State didn't really lose to anyone they shouldn't have except maybe Virginia Tech:

    Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Louisville are not shameful losses.

    Wilson won 9 games in his third year starting at NC State, who's to say Brissett wouldn't have added two more wins if he played next season? Prior to that year, Wilson had only won 10 games in two seasons for a total of 19. In his two seasons, Brissett won 14 games.
     
  35. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Most recent scouting report I could find - http://www.buffalorumblings.com/201...016-nfl-draft-scouting-notes-two-look-tuesday

    Same issues as from some of the reports from last year on him with dropping his eyes, bailing on the pocket, and being reckless with the ball. Not saying not to draft him, but certainly not above the 5th unless Gase and crew thinks they can get more out of him than the EJ Manuel comparison.

    YMMV.
     
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  36. cuchulainn

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    Wilson was the much better college QB though... http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/russell-wilson-1.html

    You can argue that it was due to Wilson being a 3 year starter at NC, but I'm still not feeling it...

    http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jacoby-brissett-2.html
     
  37. CaribPhin

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    Are you really still just quoting stats to someone who knows their numbers? Statistically speaking, their NC State numbers are not that different. Wilson had one year rated 147 but his other two years were not that great. Brissett is the reason why NC State had expectations this season. You're missing my point. You've pointed out things that aren't true (Brissett being like Kaepernick) or aren't damning (Brissett's completion%). That's not even a scouting report, it's two guys taking notes of one game. That article literally ends with:

    Doesn't that sound like a 3rd round QB whom I noted, "only really has two years at the college level so he doesn't have much wear, nor is he a closed case in terms of development." The thing I found interesting is that the guy who has watched Brissett for a while is far more favorable than the guy who's just watching that game for the first time.

    Look, I've done work on the guy, I was asked why I like him, and all you've done is post incomplete or hastily Googled information in rebuttal. At least do some more work. That article is 50/50 on him and I've only put the guy as a third rounder. Have you even watched him in a significant capacity or is your opinion based on every article you can Google? If you have, then that's your opinion and it stands on its own, as does mine. But if all you can do is search for bias confirming articles then what's the point?
     
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  38. cuchulainn

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    Not sure why you're getting all worked up when I wasn't being insulting, but merely providing links to something more than a personal opinion. The point was that you're wanting to invest a 3rd or 4th round pick on this guy when there's been very little to support that sort of investment other than your own personal opinion. I wasn't trying to needlessly knock Brissert, I was asking you to make the case for investing a pick in him that highly. And no, I haven't studied film of him from each game.

    From all appearances, it's a weak QB class overall. He very well may be worth a mid-round pick. That said, with our defensive and OL needs, I just don't see it with us when we can either draft a developmental QB like a Dak Prescott later on in the 6th or 7th, or sign as as UDFA...

    YMMV.
     
  39. dgfred

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    Well, I have watched him play about 5 full games or so. I also was around here listening to all the excitement of him being at NCState at Glennon's last year that he had to sit out. He never could rise to the occaission IMO... and didn't really win any giant games. As far as giant games can be for NCState. He just never was the can't miss like alot of people here thought.

    Thanks for your report and reasonings.
     
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  40. Finster

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    Brissett is a project QB, lack of experience, lack of big stats and technique issues, maybe too much of a risk taker for the NFL, but he has pop in his game, he's an exciting QB, but I wouldn't spend anything higher than a 4th because he's such an unknown project, he may become a very good NFL QB, but there is too much unknown for a 3rd imo.
     

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