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Super Bowl Prediction Pole:

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Da 'Fins, Feb 6, 2016.

Who to win and who are you rooting for?

  1. Broncos to Win:

    16 vote(s)
    34.8%
  2. Panthers to Win:

    27 vote(s)
    58.7%
  3. Rooting for Broncos:

    21 vote(s)
    45.7%
  4. Rooting for Panthers:

    17 vote(s)
    37.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MikeHoncho

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    Cbs execs fapping hard at these commercials


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  2. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    A challenge and they cut to commercials


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  3. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    As much as I dislike Peyton Manning I'd rather see the Broncos win than the worst draft bust in Dolphins history Ted Ginn. Anyone agree?
     
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  4. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If you're deciding who to root for based on who Ted Ginn's playing for that's sad, lol! ;)

    Seriously, I'm with you though. I find this game boring at the moment. I'm realizing with every possession how little I care about either team, haha.
     
  5. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Well, Peyton is my favorite non-Dolphin of all time, but I am rooting against Ginn. It would be sweet if he were the reason Carolina lost :lol:
     
  6. cbrad

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    Yeah, so far the game is proving the adage "defense wins championships". Anyway, enjoy the game.. it's the last competitive game of football for a LONG time.
     
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  7. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Absolutely. For me, after today we enter the DEAD zone in sports until MLB starts in April. At least the draft and free agency are in there.
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm actually rooting for Ginn. He got a raw deal, and he's not a bust.
     
  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Its not his fault he was drafted where he was, but he's my very definition of a bust. No injury. No off the field stuff. He just never was going to be a special player, or one you could build around. He's the kind of guy that should have been a 4th round pick.
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Are you arguing for Ginn?
     
  11. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    No. Arguing that he is and was a bust. Given every chance and failed to be worth the pick.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    More a reason to dislike the scouting department than Ginn.
     
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  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Its a valid point, but I don't like anything about Ginn's game either. :shifty:
     
  14. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    There Is no way Ginn can be considered a draft bust. He is playing in his ninth year in the NFL and there has never been a draft bust who has played that long in the league.

    If the Dolphins had drafted Brady Quinn in the 2007 draft as most Dolphin fans wanted them to, including me, then they would have drafted a complete bust.

    Ginn never achieved the production in Miami that is expected from such a high draft pick, but Miami has had plenty of draft picks in the first round who were worse than Ginn. In fact all you need to do is go back to the 2013 draft to find the biggest bust in Dolphin draft history.
     
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  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    A guy who stays in the league and is relatively productive for the better part of a decade is not a bust.

    Was he worth 9th overall? No. But I'm glad we took him instead of Brady Quinn. That dude was a bust.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You do not draft a player to play on another team. He is a draft bust for the Miami Dolphins.
     
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  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Don't agree. He is a draft bust. He isn't close to worth 9th overall. Just because Quinn is a bigger bust, doesn't make Ginn less of a bust.
     
  18. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    He also washed out in Miami, SF, Carolina, Arizona, and then is back to Carolina before ever being productive, and that's in a unique offense suited to his limited skills.
     
  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Ginn isn't a bust. Think of what the word bust means. He did not live up to his initial value, but has become an appropriately paid guy who can make game changing plays in the right offense.
     
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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If he was a 5th round pick, he would have a fine career. As a first round pick, he is a bust. Hasn't come close to living up to his draft position.

    I do like the fact that he did have that game against the Jets where he had two kick return touchdowns. Probably one of the best busts in Miami Dolphin history of draft busts.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    They traded him for a 5th round pick. If that is not a bust, what is?

    If I buy a stock for $1000 and then sell it for $300. It doesn't make it a good investment because I didn't lose everything.
     
  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You're either a bust, or you aren't. Dion Jordan, right now, is a bust. Jason Allen was a bust. Ted Ginn is not a bust. A bust doesn't make it 9 years, regardless of whether or not its on other teams. A bust washes out of the league rather.
     
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  23. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    We can have a different definition of what the term means. To me, the truest bust is a guy who is drafted high, stays healthy, gets playing time, and just isn't very good.

    You can't blame an injury, or bad coaching, or anything else. He just flat wasn't very good. And that's what Ginn was.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    No, Ted Ginn is a bust. Did as much for the Dolphins as Jason Allen and Dion Jordan.

    A bust does nothing for the team he was drafted for.
     
  25. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Ted Ginn did much more than those guys. He helped beat the Jets twice.
     
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  26. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    No, it means you paid to much for that stock. It doesn't make the stock itself bad, it means -you- poured too many resources into it. If you paid 1000, sold it for 300, and it eventually rose to 700 (up, down, up like Ginn) it probably means you had the stock at the wrong time or paid too much for it of your own accord not considering what it was truly worth.

    Maybe he was only worth a 3rd-4th rounder, but his value relative to the value a team assigned in the draft means nothing other than poor scouting and decision making. It only matters if the player has value in the league overall.

    I can tell you the Panthers wouldnt trade Ginn for a 5th these days.
     
  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is wrong. Plainly wrong. That stock was a bust. Ted Ginn is a bust. He is a draft mistake.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is worth Patrick Willis or Revis.
     
  29. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    You just won my argument for me. Thank you. I dont need to say more, you just proved Im right for everyone to see LOL
     
  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It could be a difference in what we're talking about. As a Dolphin? A bust. As a professional football player? Not a bust.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You proved you do not understand what the draft is. You do not draft for other teams.
     
  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He has had a fine career for a draft bust.
     
  33. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    It could be. When I guy plays for the Fins, I generally view that as about 90% of my opinion of him, regardless of whatever else he does.
     
  34. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Only on here do people call a #1 receiver a bust as a professional football player. On the biggest stage tonight, he's averaging almost 20 yards a catch against a great defense.
     
  35. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Couldn't the stock rebound though?

    We can say the decision to draft him were we did was a bust, but the player turned out to be serviceable, can't we?
     
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  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Google Ted Ginn draft bust, you get a lot more hits than www.thephins.com
     
  37. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    To go further than just laughing at this I want to break it down and explain all the ways that your analysis of the situation literally makes no sense.

    1) Unlike a stock there is no flat price. Had we not drafted him who knows where he would have landed. Possibly 10-15th or possibly the 3rd round. The comparison to a stock is flawed from the offset. Stocks do go up and down, but you have a flat cost upon buying. This is not how a draft works, in a draft YOU assign value. The key is whether the value matches YOUR bid. If your bid does not match the value, you made a mistake.

    2) If you want to stick with a monetary example...let's use a silent bid since its a bit closer to the draft than a stock. Just because you bid a certain amount on player X doesn't mean it is the fault of the player for not living up to that analysis. For all we know we made the highest "bid" by far. Many were saying he was a 2nd-3rd round player, experts and fans alike.

    3) Evaluate what "bust" means. In your own scenario -WE- busted, not the player. This is where you make my point in your last line. He was a draft mistake, that is not synonymous to the player being a bust.

    I could go on forever but I dont really want to get into a heated debate over something Ive already proven to anyone rational.
     
  38. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, they refer him as a bust for the Dolphins, but not as a professional football player. See my post up above.
     
  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is worthless to me after I sell it.

    I am saying he is a decent player, who also is a draft bust.
     
  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Yea, a draft bust. He is a bust of the draft.
     

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