As much as I dislike Peyton Manning I'd rather see the Broncos win than the worst draft bust in Dolphins history Ted Ginn. Anyone agree?
If you're deciding who to root for based on who Ted Ginn's playing for that's sad, lol! Seriously, I'm with you though. I find this game boring at the moment. I'm realizing with every possession how little I care about either team, haha.
Well, Peyton is my favorite non-Dolphin of all time, but I am rooting against Ginn. It would be sweet if he were the reason Carolina lost
Yeah, so far the game is proving the adage "defense wins championships". Anyway, enjoy the game.. it's the last competitive game of football for a LONG time.
Absolutely. For me, after today we enter the DEAD zone in sports until MLB starts in April. At least the draft and free agency are in there.
Its not his fault he was drafted where he was, but he's my very definition of a bust. No injury. No off the field stuff. He just never was going to be a special player, or one you could build around. He's the kind of guy that should have been a 4th round pick.
There Is no way Ginn can be considered a draft bust. He is playing in his ninth year in the NFL and there has never been a draft bust who has played that long in the league. If the Dolphins had drafted Brady Quinn in the 2007 draft as most Dolphin fans wanted them to, including me, then they would have drafted a complete bust. Ginn never achieved the production in Miami that is expected from such a high draft pick, but Miami has had plenty of draft picks in the first round who were worse than Ginn. In fact all you need to do is go back to the 2013 draft to find the biggest bust in Dolphin draft history.
A guy who stays in the league and is relatively productive for the better part of a decade is not a bust. Was he worth 9th overall? No. But I'm glad we took him instead of Brady Quinn. That dude was a bust.
Don't agree. He is a draft bust. He isn't close to worth 9th overall. Just because Quinn is a bigger bust, doesn't make Ginn less of a bust.
He also washed out in Miami, SF, Carolina, Arizona, and then is back to Carolina before ever being productive, and that's in a unique offense suited to his limited skills.
Ginn isn't a bust. Think of what the word bust means. He did not live up to his initial value, but has become an appropriately paid guy who can make game changing plays in the right offense.
If he was a 5th round pick, he would have a fine career. As a first round pick, he is a bust. Hasn't come close to living up to his draft position. I do like the fact that he did have that game against the Jets where he had two kick return touchdowns. Probably one of the best busts in Miami Dolphin history of draft busts.
They traded him for a 5th round pick. If that is not a bust, what is? If I buy a stock for $1000 and then sell it for $300. It doesn't make it a good investment because I didn't lose everything.
You're either a bust, or you aren't. Dion Jordan, right now, is a bust. Jason Allen was a bust. Ted Ginn is not a bust. A bust doesn't make it 9 years, regardless of whether or not its on other teams. A bust washes out of the league rather.
We can have a different definition of what the term means. To me, the truest bust is a guy who is drafted high, stays healthy, gets playing time, and just isn't very good. You can't blame an injury, or bad coaching, or anything else. He just flat wasn't very good. And that's what Ginn was.
No, Ted Ginn is a bust. Did as much for the Dolphins as Jason Allen and Dion Jordan. A bust does nothing for the team he was drafted for.
No, it means you paid to much for that stock. It doesn't make the stock itself bad, it means -you- poured too many resources into it. If you paid 1000, sold it for 300, and it eventually rose to 700 (up, down, up like Ginn) it probably means you had the stock at the wrong time or paid too much for it of your own accord not considering what it was truly worth. Maybe he was only worth a 3rd-4th rounder, but his value relative to the value a team assigned in the draft means nothing other than poor scouting and decision making. It only matters if the player has value in the league overall. I can tell you the Panthers wouldnt trade Ginn for a 5th these days.
You just won my argument for me. Thank you. I dont need to say more, you just proved Im right for everyone to see LOL
It could be a difference in what we're talking about. As a Dolphin? A bust. As a professional football player? Not a bust.
It could be. When I guy plays for the Fins, I generally view that as about 90% of my opinion of him, regardless of whatever else he does.
Only on here do people call a #1 receiver a bust as a professional football player. On the biggest stage tonight, he's averaging almost 20 yards a catch against a great defense.
Couldn't the stock rebound though? We can say the decision to draft him were we did was a bust, but the player turned out to be serviceable, can't we?
To go further than just laughing at this I want to break it down and explain all the ways that your analysis of the situation literally makes no sense. 1) Unlike a stock there is no flat price. Had we not drafted him who knows where he would have landed. Possibly 10-15th or possibly the 3rd round. The comparison to a stock is flawed from the offset. Stocks do go up and down, but you have a flat cost upon buying. This is not how a draft works, in a draft YOU assign value. The key is whether the value matches YOUR bid. If your bid does not match the value, you made a mistake. 2) If you want to stick with a monetary example...let's use a silent bid since its a bit closer to the draft than a stock. Just because you bid a certain amount on player X doesn't mean it is the fault of the player for not living up to that analysis. For all we know we made the highest "bid" by far. Many were saying he was a 2nd-3rd round player, experts and fans alike. 3) Evaluate what "bust" means. In your own scenario -WE- busted, not the player. This is where you make my point in your last line. He was a draft mistake, that is not synonymous to the player being a bust. I could go on forever but I dont really want to get into a heated debate over something Ive already proven to anyone rational.
Yeah, they refer him as a bust for the Dolphins, but not as a professional football player. See my post up above.