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So you don't need great QB play...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Shane Falco, Feb 8, 2016.

  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Well sure....

    Who doesn't want the QB of their fav NFL team to fail!?!?!?
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Huh?
     
  3. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Aren't you insinuating that those who are "harder" on Tannehill have some sort of an agenda?
     
  4. Fin D

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    I'm saying that many of the guys that cup Brady's balls by ignoring his and his teams cheating ways, have an agenda. And that agenda is often their hate of Thill and/or whatever coach the Dolphins have.
     
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  5. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    All I know is Fin D is the ultimate Anti-Midas. Whatever side he's on, just jump on the other. You're more likely to be right.
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Which is an indictment of you considering how many times I've made you my forum property.

    What's even worse than that is you're a lawyer and I've still crushed you more times than not.
     
  7. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    LOL. ^^^

    Like I've said before. It must be wonderful in that world you create. Was I your forum property the several times you've been banned.

    Again, your post history is clear. You keep jumping in on the wrong side. I remember you chastising the forum for negative views on our oline before 2014. Wanting to give Ireland more time. Philbin more time. Not being worried about the guards before 2015. Yet you always have an excuse for why you were wrong.
     
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  8. Shane Falco

    Shane Falco Banned

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    He's a lawyer??

    Hmmmm things are coming into focus...
     
  9. cbrad

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    You guys are so funny. Totally AWESOME! lol
     
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  10. Shane Falco

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    ME!!!
     
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  11. Shane Falco

    Shane Falco Banned

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    Those are the one on my ignore list never had DJ there.


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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Poopie.
     
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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know you and fin-o have your differences but I don't believe what he says about tannehill is an agenda, he's been consistent from the get, which was high optimism early relagated to guarded optimism, and I know it's very difficult to break everything down in isolation when he's had poor variables around him but some of us are trying to do both but are not seeing some individual things from the QB to overcome some of those poor variables...but it's not an easy eval..

    Thanks for the kind words Fin.
     
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  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Come on man...we don't have to be like this with each other..I mean I know everyone isn't gonna be all hunky dory with everyone but man y'all are saying some harsh stuff...
     
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  15. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I react that way when someone says some of us are cupping balls. My bad I'll tone it down a notch.

    The making me forum property stuff just though ... didn't get mad at all, too busy laughing.
     
  16. Fin D

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    What does being banned for stuff that had nothing to do with you, have to do with the majority of the times I've crushed you? You're flailing now.

    I was wrong about Philbin.

    I was wrong believing Wallace would never fight for the ball. He did in is second season.

    That was it other than the times, like everyone else, I misunderstood a post or got a timeline wrong. Unlike most everyone else, yourself included, I actually admit when I'm wrong though. You can't say that.

    Now the rest of your crap isn't entirely accurate.

    I wasn't wrong about giving Ireland 3 years without Parcells to make a fair evaluation.
    What I said about guards is that we didn't need great ones we needed average ones. I'm still right about that or haven't been proven wrong anyway.
     
  17. Fin D

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    Let's be honest Deej.....when it comes to people on a forum, you're not the best judge of character though. :up:

    But you're welcome.
     
  18. Fin-O

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    I think DJ has a fantasic eye for character!

    No seriously, he is right about my stance although I truly do not think that YOU feel I have an agenda. (or do you?)

    I feel like because I am the most argumenative to any group that I feel are being extreme in their evaluation that it often seems to the naked eye, that I am the one BASHING Ryan. And thats not the case, I feel strongly about my evaluation to this point, I am excited to see what he can do under Gase this year as stated numerous times.

    I dont feel we have an elite QB, but i feel like he CAN be good enough at some point.

    Maybe I should put my general feelings on tbe situation in my Sig, so maybe a poster who happens to catch the wrong end of a discussion doesnt lump me in with a group that may have their minds made up.


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  19. djphinfan

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    Lol, I see what you did there..that's an inside joke, but he's right in this case.
     
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  20. resnor

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    I think the issue arises, Fin, when you use these seemingly arbitrary arguments to try to prove your point. I think all myself, or FinD, are looking for, is consistency in applying standards to Tannehill.

    I don't think Tannehill is elite, but I think he's a whole hell of alot better than he's looked trying to develop on this dysfunctional team.
     
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  21. Sceeto

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    What are you guys even arguing about anymore? I lost the thread. Quick recap? :lol:
     
  22. Limbo

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    The Broncos won the Super Bowl...therefore Tannehill isn't the problem.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    what your looking for??? And what about us, what about what we're looking for from you?

    We're looking for certain individualistic traits..you think those traits are all variable related...and so goes our circle jerk..

    All good though, I 100 percent believe anyone that is debating you on this would be happy to come here and say you all were right, Ryan is good enough to be the QB of a championship team..
     
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  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol, that is correct sir..


    Defense defense defense..

    I wish it was always like that..been trying for 30 years but unfortunately our front office has been below average in that Dept.
     
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  25. Fin4Ever

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    Man, what it would be like to have a tremendously dominating Defense again, with 3 absolutely outstanding RB's, 3 great wide-outs with good TE's, dominating special teams ,Dominating OL, and then Tannehill or? To just manage the game with few turnovers and killing it with play action as well as scrambling.......one of these days, it will happen.....let's get both sides of the trenches shored up this year and hopefully a LB or two as well as our drafted players from last year and this just coming in to game and play ball....they all have to be on the same page and have the will to win.
     
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  26. jdang307

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    That the Seahawks won one SB and was one yard from another, while fielding a bottom
    2-3 oline.

    Therefore The Dolphins don't need oline.
     
  27. Fin D

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    See Deej?

    This is the **** that starts the problems.
     
  28. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I applied the exact same logic that the original post did. Hell, my argument is even stronger as they almost won two, not just one Super Bowl.
     
  29. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Substitute Peyton's stats for Seattles stats and pressure and sacks they allowed.

    I will admit though the original post is all but acknowledging the qb needs to be fixed. Good Job Shane!
     
  30. Fin D

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    No the **** you didn't.

    I'm so effing tired of this.

    Pay attention.

    Wilson has tools to counter a **** oline. Tools, like a decent OC who will run the ball and allow him to make real effing adjustments at the line. Or will call plays where the receivers go past the goddamned sticks.

    You and the rest of the chuckleheads constantly ignore these simple facts. Its that's **** that causes this to go round and round.
     
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  31. resnor

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    Yeah, yeah, I know. You seem to expect that Tannehill coming into the league raw should have already possessed certain abilities, or that our crappy coaching staff should have refined them. I think that he's been hampered at every turn, but, I do think he's shown that he has the abilities, but isn't consistent. That's coaching, and the team around him.

    A young QB needs to have support to get to the point where he no longer needs the support (I'm not saying he's young, but pointing out the deficiencies from the moment he first set foot on the field). If you honestly believe Tannehill has been put in a position to succeed, then I don't know what to say to you.
     
  32. Fin-O

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    My issues with him are consistent and I believe he has to overcome these issues before I can throw my hands up and just chalk it up to OL, coaching etc.

    Obviously his surroundings have sucked, but thats not the end of the story for me.

    Im not on the "cut Ryan" "trade Ryan for a 5th" bandwagon, but im also not on the he hasnt played well because (insert amything besides him)


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  33. resnor

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    No one is saying that Tannehill has nothing to work on, or that he hasn't played well ONLY because of the team around him. I'm saying that is extremely difficult for him to work out his own deficiencies when the team around him is a dumpster fire.
     
  34. Fin-O

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    You always seem to fail to mention that Wilson is simply better at eluding and feeling pressure. Why does that fact seem to escape some of you?


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  35. Fin-O

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    I have seen him protected well and the same ole issues arise. Look no further than the Raven game. Maybe the best pass protection he has had in 2015 and he turns around and puts up his worst game. Thats an issue to me.


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  36. Fin D

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    That's not true. I have said that numerous times. Its when you pull this crap right here ^ that I question your agenda.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    no sense moving on from here, you don't get where I'm coming from..please don't tell me you do..
     
  38. djphinfan

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    In the post he responded to you blamed the variables, but it's not a variable thing, it's an individualistic thing...creating, improvising, playmaking, evading, maneuvering, this is a big part of qb'ing..
     
  39. Fin-O

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    Well, you left it out the last paragraph.

    That has a lot to do with why you two seem to always be bickering with someone....you made every excuse for WHY Wilson does better other than Wilson himself, you tell us every luxury Tom Brady has and leave out that he is one of the all time greats. Then turn around and relieve Ryan of any blame for his underperforming in 4 years.

    THIS practice is what is consistent with you guys, spew negativity at other QBs that have performed well...despise any negativity on a guy that most logical people realize the jury is still out on if he is the answer for the Dolphins.

    And that my friends, is true.
     
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  40. Fin D

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    STOPPPPPPPPPP

    No. He quoted me. I wasn't talking about those things.

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    This is so ****ing annoying.

    JD made a douche comment. I responded to it. Then the guy you swear is just innocent and wants the truth pulled the crap he always does and jump into a volatile situation and stirs **** up further for no good reason but his own enjoyment.

    You cannot be this blind Deej that you can't see this.
     

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