And??? You're writing off Gase and our OC already? That's quick for you. You're usually about 2 years late on those proclamations.
The **** it is. Here's the truth. Me and res have always said Wilson is better at evading pressure. ALWAYS. We have always said that Thill isn't elite right now. ALWAYS. I'm so tired of you and your crew and your all's ****ing lies. This is how me and res feel about all of this: Mark this post and refer back to it so all stop with this bull****. Thill is not elite right now. He has things he can improve. He is also been the most handcuffed QB in the league. Because of those handcuffs none of us can get an accurate read on what he can and can't do under pressure. The reason we can't is because there's nothing to compare it to. Me and res do not say Wilson sucks or is terrible or anything of the sort, we say that he doesn't have the same handcuffs that Thill has. He has a poor oline but its not as poor as ours and he has an OC that won't abandon the run game and will call better routes and give Wilson the ability to help at the line. Yes, Wilson is better at evading but that's just one ability a QB has. Wilson is great at that and Thill can be good at it. If Thill had the same freedom as Wilson he would also produce highly. As high as Wilson? No. Much higher than he has here? Yes. We also say wins aren't a QB stat and the deep ball issues were more on Wallace and the oline and play design. That's it. We are ALWAYS consistent about this. You guys ALWAYS make this go round and round because you lie about our stance and then ignore our points.
WTF?? Pulled some crap? Tried to "stir" shnit up? You sir, are a bag of issues....I simply ASKED why you couldn't also mention Wilson's skill set why telling us how the OC makes his OL issues easy to overcome, and you counter like this? Whoa.
Disagree, it does not go down like that. And for the record?? Wilson's OL has actually been worse than Ryan's in their careers, but carry on.
Say's one of the guys who comes into one of these threads every time a QB on a national stage doesn't play well (despite a career full of accomplishments) acting as if it justifies anything that has to do with Ryan. With all this whoa is us garbage and backtracking you would make a great presidential candidate.
Here is how you start this crap. First you say: When I say that's not true, you reply with: So you go from accusing me of always ignoring something (which I don't), to saying "well, I didn't mention in it the last paragraph". How do you justify that if its not because you're purposely starting ****?
No I haven't. Stop lying. I really thought you were gonna turn a corner. Add that to something I was wrong about. My thoughts on Brady are ALL about the cheating and have nothing to do with Thill. I had those thoughts before I even knew who Thill was. the only other QB thatI've talked about in any sort of significant way is Wilson and it ALWAYS fits with the post above. ALWAYS.
Walker summed it up. You all do know this argument is completely futile on both sides and that their will never be a winner, correct? It's cool. It's sometimes entertaining. It doesn't matter, right or wrong this coming season will certainly be his final shot. That's it. Damn, imagine if they make it to the playoffs and get eliminated in the first round? Holy s--t storm Batman!!
Thats because you guys just look at a stat and make a claim..."Ryan was sacked more" but you fail to mention that he has over 500 more attempts than Wilson yet has only been sacked 20 less times. You need to evaluate the sack percentage and the hurry percentage per drop back to paint the whole picture. It really is silly regardless, Wilson's OL has performed worse but Wilson is also a QB built to overcome this with his rare skill set. It is crazy to me that he seems to be the QB you guys want to keep bringing up...it really is bringing a knife to a gunfight. Dude has a career 101 rating with TD and INT percentage that is quite awesome while dealing with a very poor OL and a group of pass catchers that the Chargers giggle at. But lets just point to his defense as to why he has played so well, that makes sense. I think that is also one of the bigger issues, why are we talking about these top flight QB's all the time in comparison to Ryan? It isn't fair to him and it has many of us laughing at the context. Lets debate Ryan vs Stafford, Ryan vs. A. Smith, Ryan vs Andy Dalton, Ryan vs. Tyrod etc...maybe then despite obvious differing opinions we could have a somewhat logical talking point in terms of comparisons.
On a serious note Shane argues since a bad QB just won a superbowl you don't have to fix the QB, just field yourself an all time great defense and you're off to the races.
No I don't base it on stats, you guys do. This is insane. I base it on the fact that Thill has more people in the backfield and quicker than Wilson does. DJ can attest to the fact that I've been saying the stats don't account for different types of pressure. One guy getting through the line is the same on the stat sheet as 4 guys getting through. Now he doesn't agree, but he can verify that's been my argument for awhile. Again, you're lying. Its basically compulsive at this point.
Jesus. You accused me of always ignoring something because I didn't do it this one time. Think about that.
BECAUSE you and the others swear up and down the QB is the reason a team wins or loses. He didn't make this thread in a vacuum.
Just put me on ignore once and for all. or let's just make an agreement to not comment on each other's posts cause I'm so fed up with your **** right now.
Because to do so, he'd have to admit Wilson is infinitely better equipped to handle the oline issues both of them face. And that doesn't fit the narrative. Why is sporting the 2nd highest passer rating of all time, with an oline as bad as/worse than Miamis? Because Wilson is the shiznit. Top tier. One of the best. Considering age, he's #2 in the league right now, behind Rodgers. It's undeniable. Seeing him perform this year without an oline or running backs? Unbelievable. But I'm a dolphins fan and we got Tanny so that's that!
Couple of things. Tannehill hasn't been up and down as Walker mentions, he had steadily progressed up until this past year where everything was a DISASTER. Although far from Wilson, Tannehill is better at avoiding the rush than people give him credit for.
See, you guys are already rewriting my stance. How is what you guys are doing allowed by the TOS? Literally just 30 minutes ago I restated my stance, and here you are already just making **** up.
What? Wilson is pressured about 46% of his drop backs and now you are trying to convince people that one guy gets through SEA OL and 4 thru Miami's??
Constantly circumvents profanity filter........asks Mods to execute TOS.... You can't make this stuff up.
My assertion is that on average more get though on our line and quicker then they do on Wilson's. A major part of that, is because the defense can't just tee off on Seattle because they actually run the damn ball and they also don't know what Wilson is going to change the call to if he recognizes the pressure.
How is that circumventing? I type it and it gets converted by the site. Now you're being petty. Back to the offer.....let's avoid commenting on each other's posts. Do the board a solid and agree.
Iv'e said no such thing. I argued, verified by my posts you can look it up, that over time QBs will be judged by wins and losses and everyone outside of Tannehill defenders agree. I've argued that Tannehill has never put the team on his back to will a win. You wanted so bad to prove us wrong you asked Simon to come post in the mains and then he said EXACTLY the same things I have said. http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...es-Tannehill&p=2677212&viewfull=1#post2677212 And here http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...es-Tannehill&p=2676770&viewfull=1#post2676770 And here http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...es-Tannehill&p=2676860&viewfull=1#post2676860 Over time QBs are judged by their wins and losses and I've been very consistent on that go ahead and search. I've also argued the difference between 8-8 and out of the playoffs and 9-7 and in the playoffs is literally just one game where the QB goes ballistic. The world has rarely if ever seen a QB go on a stretch where he throws 19 TDs and 0 INts. Well Wilson has. That's picking up the team and carrying them on his back. They railed off 5 wins no losses, never scoring less than 29. A different play caller isn't going to get that out of Tanny. Tanny is the one who's going to accomplish that. Tanny needs to take that next step. The rest is just noise.
If you can't see how the bold contradicts the underlined, then the problem ain't me. And speaking of bold and Boomer, its funny the sentence you bolded and the one you ignored right after. You're also, conveniently ignoring the overall gist of his post just like you did with the audible stuff. You do this, because like Fin-O you lack intellectual integrity.
The offer stands to Fin-O and I'm extending it to you too JD. I know you guys will never put me on ignore so I suggest we agree to not comment on my posts and I won't comment on yours. You both leave me alone and I'll leave you both alone. Deal?
Ask Boik. My blood pressure is not up, I'm not in the least bit angry....if I'm bothering you put me on ignore?? If you ever truly bother me on a personal level I will do the same, but thats not likely to happen because throughout all this I realize we root for the same team and YES the same QB. If this is effecting you on some weird level than by all means use the feature, although it is kind of ridiculous imo it is to that point. Im not kicking your dog, flattening your tires or spitting any beechnut in your eye....Im disagreeing with you on an internet message board? If I ever find a reason to be in Ocala FL I would be the first guy to buy you a beer. Why is it so personal for you?
Because you purposely lie and start ****. You refuse to consistently have a real conversation without starting **** by lying. So, you're not agreeing to this offer then?
Lying?? Really? No, I have no reason to avoid your posts, again if its so personal you can "ignore" me and I could sing yankee doodle in reply to your post and you would never know. Do whats best for you.
this is what I responded about, see here you credit the variables surrounding wilson while indirectly lifting up ryan, when Im trying to say, wilsons success is not variable dependent, he proved that to all of you who have been dismissing his accomplishments for a long time and chalking them up to the variables...well, without lynch, an average wide receiver group, no jimmy graham or tight end to speak of, and a poor line, he had his best season, so imo whats best for this debate would be to put to rest the wilson is overrated angle, come out and say he's a great qb, an elite one, and ryan still has to prove a lot to get near his level of playeven with better variables. Y'all have to stop using other qbs to make your points about ryan, sometimes you have to project the div 2 school project to the pros, and what I mean by that is, variables are never gonna be the same, must watch in isolation and make your determination...actually I do the opposite of what some do, I want the worst variables surrounding when Im evaluating, that way I can project better visualizing what he would be with good variables.. Because Im a dolphin fan does not make me hate other great payers..I love great players..love to watch them operate...so far I have seen nothing that would make me think ryan is gonna be near that level..
JD, he's been right about things as well the past two years, we've all been wrong about stuff..thats just antagonizing man.
The point of the thread very simply is that Peyton Manning was HORRIBLE this year. They won despite him. Tannehill was better in every way. So if Peyton can win being horrible, why can't Tannehill who is clearly at this point better? Because the defense carried Peyton all year. Ours can't carry the trash out to the curb.
I shouldn't have to list everything, every time I post. JD made a post about a bad oline. So i talked about things ALL QBs should have to deal wit a bad oline. I wasn't discussing every trait a QB has or doesn't have., because it has nothing to do with my point. My point was about things outside of the QBs control. And no, comparisons are the ONLY way to accurately evaluate a QB. All of you do it. Everyone does it. Its perfectly valid. What isn't valid is using wins and playoffs as barometers for QB play, which the other side does all the time. Also, no one is hating Player X because he's on a different team. We are not that pathetic or uninformed. Last thing, if Wilson or Brady or Rodgers or the super baby of Marino, Montana and Jesus Christ, all had to deal with a **** oline AND an abandoned running game, AND not allowed to audible, they would all look average or worse. QBs, even the greats, are not mythical creatures that can thrive under any circumstance.
