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Tired of Ryan Tannehill? He would be prized by other teams

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Trolling hard today, aren't you?


    Yeah, I'm definitely in the habit of coming on here, and making stuff up, and then arguing it. I couldn't care less at this point if you believe me. It was in a segment, on SportsCenter, about Wallace. They were talking about how Wallace was claiming that he'd be better this season, now that he's with a QB who's good at throwing the deep ball. Then they did a comparison of Bridgewater and Flacco in regards to deep balls. The stats they had showed Bridgewater with a comfortable lead. I thought they said balls over 30 yards, but I could be wrong on that, I don't remember.

    But carry on.
     
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  2. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You care. That's why you're routinely responding.

    "But your honor, I can't produce tangible evidence of my claims!" LOL ..... you could have been watching ESPN drunk for all I know. Then again I'm also talking to a guy who is completely disregarding one QB's entire career and essentially comparing 10 games started vs. another QB who started all 16 (with all of this starters).
     
  3. Shane Falco

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    I think you mean trying hard. I can just imagine him furiously typing, his pudgy little fingers getting all sweaty as he desperately tries to look like he knows what he is talking about. So cute.

    Keep trying dude! We are pulling for you!


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  4. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    This guy hasn't said one valid or credible thing since he registered this Troll/alt account here. Not one. Don't even bother.
     
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  5. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You mean that television show I watched last week that said Tannehill actually threw for 10,000 yards last year isn't credible?
     
  6. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Yet more than half this board would believe him over anything that comes out of you. Because you're a joke.
     
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  7. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    :cry:
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, he's back on ignore. I gotta stop giving these guys chances.

    Is he still claiming that I made it up? There's gotta be other people on here that watched SC yesterday and saw the segment I'm referring to.
     
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  9. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    How predictable.
     
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  10. Rock Sexton

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    OK Miss Cleo.
     
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  11. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Yep. Sad.

    All of this is hilarious too, since it's stemming from MW, who is as much of a joke as Rock Sexton is. Everyone said he was going to ball out under Teddy since previously his deep ball numbers WERE good. Yet again MW did nothing, and Yet again it's someone ELSES fault. Interesting how vehemently they defend people other than Tannehill, even though he's had 4 chances with 4 teams in 5 years, and so far only did GOOD on one of them.
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yep. One of the few bright spots on our team gets **** on routinely, while bad players and units escape scrutiny. It's crazy.
     
  13. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Bad players? More like misused/underutilized ones.
     
  14. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    LOL. Do I need to link you every play he gave up on with us? or every pathetic drop he made? holy **** PLEASE bro.

    Wow. 2016 and people are still defending Wallace here. I've literally seen it all. The guys value in the NFL has dropped so dramatically since he was with Pittsburgh its insane. Overrated speedster with no real skill set, bad routes, bad awareness, bad effort, and periodically bad hands. The only thing he was supposed to be good at was speed and deep ball and the guy couldn't even get that down 100%. I remember arguing with KB here about the signing because I was all for it and He saw every one of these negatives about MW beforehand and I didn't want to believe it, I thought he was going to do a lot more for us. Unless he is poised for some big breakout, his downward slope is going to be phasing him out relatively soon. Everyone wants to hop on the Flacco will be better for him train, but it's a much safer bet he doesn't do much in BAL.
     
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  15. Rock Sexton

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    You can fetch those videos, only if you post the good ones to balance it all out. It's just easier for you to scream he sucks though.

    I mean we're talking about a guy who produced 10TD's in a season after being forced into a short passing game. Terrible thing to have on a team. We'll find out his true value this year with Joe Flacco. If he can't produce then it officially cements his better days behind him.
     
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  16. dWreck

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    4th team is the charm? doubtful.

    I never "screamed he sucks". I've commented on how he didn't live up to his hype or play at a level near what was expected of him ANYWHERE so far since he's left PITT. Even PITTs fans warned us when we signed him on how inflated his numbers were.

    I've said he's overrated & overpaid, which so far has been correct. I've commented on his bad route running, awareness and bad attitude, which are all over the internet for you to see.
    Hell we had people AT THE GAMES LIVE here in game day threads talking about him giving up on plays early in the endzone, from endzone seats. At this point you are just seeing what you want to see.
     
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  17. Rock Sexton

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    Pitt warned us? Why? Because they were unwilling to match NFL teams throwing STUPID money at the only viable deep threat in free agency? You seem to think that indicates they didn't value his skill set as opposed to them simply being financially responsible.
     
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  18. dWreck

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    The fans of PITT couldn't care less what WE were going to pay him, It's comedic that you think that is relevant.
    This was similar to us telling the Giants that they are making a mistake in backing a truckload of money to OV just because they need a "pass rusher" and not necessarily a "good pass rusher". A lot of them came to phins fans to get a bit of an idea in who they were getting in OV and all we had to say was "Wow, that's a lot of money...errrr...he's O.K......"
     
  19. Rock Sexton

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    Where is this huge outrage from the majority Steeler fanbase wanting him gone from the team? Didn't happen. They're happy their organization wasn't stupid enough to re-sign him to $60 million though.
     
  20. dWreck

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    Exactly. They were pretty happy he was gone because he's not that good. Thanks for proving my point for me.
     
  21. Rock Sexton

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    Try again.

    They're happy their organization is financially responsible. That's an entirely separate issue to the player's value and skill. Regardless, they were cash strapped in the 2013 offseason - they couldn't even afford to franchise tag him.
     
  22. dWreck

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    Okay. Maybe you need to do a little research. It had NOTHING to do with Pitt not being able to afford him. They could have, and tried. Pitt offered him 10 million a year over 5 years, after he turned it down they REFUSED to franchise tag him and then LET HIM WALK, which is when he took 12 million over 5 with us. It was reported they didn't want to deal with him after his hold out.

    I registered on 2 different Steelers boards back then and had some pretty lengthy talks with a lot of people there on Wallace to get a Feel for him. There were plenty of level-headed people that were not butthurt about him leaving and not sad to see him go. More of them were happy that he was leaving as a direct result of his play and attitude.

    Here's some Steelers fans from a simple google search.

    Wow they pretty much nailed it, especially that 3rd one :lol:
     
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  23. resnor

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    But, but, but...Tannehill and Bridgewater can't throw a deep ball like Big Ben!!
     
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  24. Finster

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    The Steelers offered him the exact contract that AB signed, when MW didn't sign it, they offered it to AB.

    The Steelers weren't going to overpay for MW, or anybody else for that matter, which is why E Sanders is a Bronco, the Steelers are the best run team in the league imo.
     
  25. jdang307

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    Was he overpaid? Absolutely. WRs always get overpaid. But Tanny had a 114 rating when throwing to Wallace that year. 4th best connection in the NFL. Tanny doesn't have as good of a year if Wallace wasn't here. We heard nonsense on this forum that Wallace's ten TDs didn't mean much because he just stole opportunities from other receivers. Surely Landry would pick up the slack.

    Nope. Landry scored less TDs with more targets.
     
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  26. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Weve shown you The stats. Are you arguing the stats are wrong?? You don't need to rely on your memory. We have the stats. You're wrong. 100% verifiably wrong.

    I've had my squabbles with Fin D but when faced with the stats even he'd give in. Your refusal to do so here is confusing to say the least.

    Resnor, just answer this question. Here are Flacco's and Bridgewater's stats from 2015, splits. They say that Flacco has better 31+ yards stats than Bridgewater. Are you saying, these stats are wrong?

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11252/joe-flacco
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/16728/teddy-bridgewater

    Simple yes or no question.
     
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  27. BigNastyDB13

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    I'm not a big Wallace supporter but lol @ him bringing the fins down to 8-8. What was their record last year without him? I think our mediocre qb and poor defense has a lot more to do with our record than any wr ever would. Especially one who put up more than double the tds the almighty Landry has. I wish Landry was half as good as the casual Dolphins fan thinks.
     
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  28. resnor

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    I'm not arguing this with you. I didn't write the stats down, as I was working with the adolescents that I work with. I'm sorry you didn't see the segment, and I'm not arguing the stats you have are wrong or not. What I'm telling you, is SportsCenter had stats up comparing Bridgewater and Flacco on deep balls last season, and Flacco was worse. Keep calling me a liar, it doesn't change that that's what was on the show yesterday.

    Answer me this: does me not being able find a link to the segment mean the segment didn't exist and never aired?
     
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  29. Fin D

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    Resnor is not a liar.

    I've caught a lot of guys on your side of the argument in lies however.....

    He, like me, isn't afraid to be wrong and freely admit when he is so he has no reason to lie. You guys on the other hand....well.....
     
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  31. jdang307

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    So do you believe him over the stats then? His memory trumps the cold hard stats on the ESPN site? That's where you're throwing your hat?

    I don't Think most posters of intentionally lie. I think sometimes we are wrong and if stats or facts prove us wrong then we must admit it. I'd never accuse resnor of lying.
     
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  32. jdang307

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    I'm not calling you a liar and never would. I may debate those I think are wrong but would never accuse someone of lying.

    Memories are a fleeting thing. Sometimes it works great. Sometimes it doesn't. These are one of the arguments that can be proven false or not via stats. This isn't an intangible argument.
     
  33. resnor

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    I wish I could find a link to the segment, but I can't. I can only find a link to Cold Hard Facts, and they didn't talk about the deep ball comparison like they did on the SportsCenter segment.

    The segment on SC did have deep ball numbers with Bridgewater being better than Flacco last season. They had those stats because Wallace made the claim that he was finally with a guy who can throw the deep ball better than Tannehill and Bridgewater.

    I can't help that you are showing stats that are different, and there's always the chance that SC had erroneous stats. But, like I said, I can't believe no one else saw that segment, and could shed some light on this discussion.
     
  34. cbrad

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    This is a silly argument. If actual stats one can link to contradict a person's memory that so far can't be verified, you go with the stats and stop arguing based on memory until you can provide the proof.

    Time to move on.
     
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  35. resnor

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    LMAO

    Much of the segment was them disputing Wallace's claim that he'd be more effective because he's with Flacco who throws a better deep ball, and they were putting up deep ball numbers that showed that Bridgewater was better last season.

    Does SC put their segments online anywhere?
     
  36. cuchulainn

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    They may have been quoting this... https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz

    https://brickwallblitz.wordpress.com


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  37. cbrad

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    I think resnor was talking about 30+ yards (post #81). That link says the stats (based on his observations) are for >15 yards (same definition as NFL for "deep ball").

    Anyway, while useful info, let's keep in mind his ratings (the final grades) are purely subjective. He admits he doesn't rate based on stats but based on the "eye test".
     
  38. resnor

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    Yeah, I don't think it was based on that chart, but thanks for looking. I know the segment was talking about deep balls, and I thought they specified on the segment as more than 30 yards. I could be wrong on that one detail, but when posting minutes after seeing the segment, that was what I remembered. I do know they were discussing the deep ball, and Bridgewater was better, based on whatever stats they had.
     
  39. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Yes... and the author does a Q/A FAQ on his wordpress site. He's up front and pretty fair about it "... the ball must travel at least 16 yards from the original line of scrimmage to qualify. That’s why the numbers/grading looks a little more generous."

    The point was merely to say that what was proclaimed on SportsCenter wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility as some made out. It depends on what the criteria was.

    YMMV.
     
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  40. cuchulainn

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    Everything on SportsCenter should be taken with a grain of Salt... Merrill Hodge went on there and kicked off a huge internet brouhaha once by proclaiming that Joe Flacco was the best QB in the entire NFL, bar none... lol... you can google that and read about it.
     
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