Also, Tom Brady is a bad example, as it's well known that he took less than he is worth, to help the team.
No, I'm going to disagree there. I don't doubt the kids heart, his dedication, his commitment. He has a lot of heart. So did Rudy. Just saying, I'm not doubting any of that. I see him more of a mechanical QB vs someone that is more cerebral.
It's the perfect example. Not you, but someone else implied Tanny turned down better opportunities to sign with Miami. I'm arguing, that is wrong on two levels: One, he didn't sign an undermarket contract, two, he wouldn't just be allowed to walk. Not saying the contract didn't make sense for both parties, it does, and that's exactly my point. Miami overpaid but left themselves a backdoor. It worked out and it was a decent deal for all parties at the time it was signed. I just object to the notion Tannehill gave up promise of more riches, to stay here. He absolutely did not.
And I've never stated otherwise. I said it above, you don't let QBs walk even if they're only top 14'ish. Hell we keep signing Matt Moore. QBs are way too valuable to let them go. And that's all I'm saying. Tanny didn't have a choice of teams. He either signs an extension, or sign one year Franchise deals after his contract ran out next year, and risk losing it all in a freak accident. If he plays well, he'll get another extension. But some posters were trying to put him on a pedestal as if he made some sort of sacrifice. Naw, both sides signed a deal that made sense for both sides. That's all I'm pointing out. He signed a contract because it was overvalued a little, and he gave up a little (backdoor by the team). That's all it was. If he's not a disaster and isn't hurt, he's getting every dollar of those contracts. You can't say that about other positions, but QBs, they get paid.
I just disagree with him being overpaid. I mean, look what Osweiler got. It may look overpaid, when compared to other guys, but next year or the year after, you'll be seeing guys that aren't as good as Tannehill getting contracts bigger than his. If Rodgers signed a deal tomorrow, and didn't give a hometown discount, he'd be paid significantly more than Tannehill.
uh, yeah it is. It is exactly what you do if you are afraid someone might come in and play better then you showing the world you are not that good.
I am in no way saying he is not tough. I just think his confidence is not as strong as people think, why do you think there have been so many comments on the coaches protecting him?
One again, those reports were blown way out of proportion. The coaches telling scrubs to quit messing around in a walkthrough isn't "protecting" Tannehill. Frankly, with the reports about Philbin and Lazor trying to replace Tannehill, it makes the stance that they were "protecting" him even more untenable. People even theorize that Lazor abandoned the run so often to make Tannehill look bad, then giving the finger to the front office.
I do see the two as related though. I questioned why practice squad players were even messing with Tanny. Just like when Geno Smith got punched in the face, several questioned his stature in the team because some Jets defensive players were not quick to defend Geno. Same thing here. You think Practice Squad (and one normal team mate I believe) players would mess with the QB if he was the unquestioned leader? Naw, I don't think so. If you are talking about me and Lazor, that's not what I said. I said Lazor was in the **ck it stage. It wasn't about making Tannehill look bad. It was no longer protecting him, like he did the year before. He tailored the offense to suit Tanny's strengths. I argued, on this very forum, this is not the offense Lazor wants to run. He had to modify it last year because the first few games were bad. Really bad. SO he changed it. Why was he willing to modify his offense in year 1, but all we hear in year 2 was how rigid he was, refusing to change anything. Because he entered the f*** it stage. And we have information to back that up. So coach is on TV saying we're going to pound the ball. Lazor calls 60 passes, 40 runs. Coach says again, we're going to back to pounding the ball. Lazor calls 70 passes, 30 runs. You're trying to tell me Lazor isn't saying, F*** it? He absolutely was. But back to Lazor. Even when things were so called "humming" last year, 2014, I was reading in between the lines of Lazor's public comments. They were critical of Tanny if you really looked at them. Lazor was blunt, and you got the sense that the offense was not ran how he wanted to run it. Not scoring any TDs from beyond the red zone except one, and it was from 21 yards? Having to compress the field? Etc. etc. so to anyone paying attention, Lazor felt his offense was being held back, and it was due to limitations by Tanny. and if you force me, I'll look my posts up.
That is a good post except for 'due to limitations by Tanny'... unless you mean T-baum. The limitations were the OL, play-calling and Defense.
It could be Lazor saying, I'm smarter than this meat head you promoted above me and I'll prove it. It could be Lazor looking at tapes of his opponents and seeing opportunities in the passing game because in other games the opponent's defense had to game play for run or pass, but when the phins come out the opposing DC just schedules short/medium pass defense. rinse. repeat. Lazor's attitude in 2015 seemed more about arrogance and hubris to me than resignation or frustration.
The bold is where the money is for Lazor. He's a 'system' coach (example Bill Parcells), not a 'player' coach (example Don Shula).
He lacks intellect now? This is something that not a single coach or scout has stated. In fact, his intellect was what helped propel him into the 1st round, despite his lack of college snaps. Also, as per Armando, he's already built a playbook this off-season and is running it with the WRs on his own to familiarize himself and the WRs with route tree and calls. http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/ Does that really sound like someone who isn't cerebral, or who isn't commited, or lacks leadership, or whom the WRs dislike - or whatever other silly sh*t has been rehashed in this thread as "reported" (speculated) by Miko, Omar, or other "anonymous" sources?
Yep. It's pretty crazy the stuff people say about Tannehill. The guy has never gotten a fair shot from many of the fans.
I don't know if "cerebral" or "intellect" is the right word, but Tannehill has often shown a lack of good decision-making in different game situations. One obvious example is not running when there is a lane. The other big example is wasting too much time in a hurry-up offense when you have to drive down the field quickly. In fact, he wastes WAY too much time in those situations IMO. Those are examples of lacking certain football smarts.
here's the thing..Ryan doesn't make a defense pay with his legs instinctually, as in the sixth sense of when to tuck it and run when protection breaks down, and, he doesn't do it intentionally when a defense turns his back to him...its very unsettling..pisses me off actually..and makes me question everything.
You're forgetting how much Philbin stressed on him to stay in the pocket and make plays specifically from the pocket. You can look the exact quotes up by Philbin on the subject. It not's like Tannehill's just been told to go out and make a play. He's done exactly what he's been coached to do under Philbin and Lazor. He's not FU type QB in the mold of Marino or Favre. One of the scouting knocks on Tannehill I recall was something to the effect that he was "almost too coachable", in that he tries hard to please his coaches and thinks instead of reacts. I think maybe this is what you're referring to. That said, he's routinely commended for making the correct reads as well as where he goes with the ball. Again, the execution may be lacking, but not his intellect or "football smarts". I disagree on the hurry-up offense and dare say that his 2 min drives are often among his best, though I'm often wrong on lots of things. ;-)
Again, he doesn't say FU to the coaches and ad-lib on the field. Philbin drilled it into him to stand in the pocket and play the entire field. He's not going to morph into Wilson or Favre and do his own thing out there - unless Gase tells him "here's the play, but if it's not there, just make something happen"...
You went from cerebral/mechanical to lacking intellect? You'd be at the top floor of a tall building with that leap. Cerebral isn't just studying. It's being able to apply what you learn when real bullets fly. No amount of studying would turn Joey Harrington into a cerebral QB. Blaine Gabbert got a 48 on a wonderlic but is a frozen deer in headlights. Nobody called Tanny dumb. It's making the right decision when you have 1.75 seconds and not 3. Some of that is instinctual too (like Wilson or Romo or Ben feeling pressure on the blind side without ever seeing it and making a move out of the way) it's a bit of both. Tanny doesn't have that.
Perhaps we're arguing semantics... You said "I see him more of a mechanical QB vs someone that is more cerebral." I read that you saying he's more of an automaton and less intellectual. Or perhaps you chose the wrong word because by definition "cerebral" is a term for someone who is intellectual or scholarly. Separately, if you want to argue his instincts aren't as honed or refined as a Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, or Big Ben in select situations, then no argument. I agree, they are not. We can only hope that his instincts and abilities continue to develop in much the same way a martial artist's instincts and abilities develop over time as he progresses up the ranks from belt to belt... What I mostly took issue with was the altogether silliness in this thread. As DJ pointed out a few pages ago, Tannehill's stats jumped up big time when he actually had his starting OL together the past 2 seasons for those 7 games. Having decent enough pass protection only 7 out of 32 games is not a winning recipe. If we can field our OL starters for at least 10 games this season, I expect Tannehill to have his best season ever as a pro while learning his 3rd Offense in his 5th season.
I think the word "cerebral" is a useful word to describe a select few QB's but not many. The reason I say this is because I think it really applies to Peyton Manning, a guy who was almost an OC on the field. To me, "cerebral" for a QB means being able to quickly process relevant information so that you can read the defense, go through your progressions, and consistently choose the best possible action given what the defense gives you. It includes coming up with ways to get the defense to prematurely reveal its intentions, as well as doing things to keep them off balance. Basically a "cerebral" QB outsmarts the defense. In any case, I wouldn't label any more than a few QB's as "cerebral". So while Tannehill for me definitely isn't a cerebral QB, neither is almost every other QB.
come on Cooch, this is not sound thinking when evaluating a player..he hasnt shown any signs of either, even when philbin got fired.
There was a graphic displayed during a game last year (i think it was on NFL channel) where they listed the top 4 QBs at getting themselves sacked. Wilson was tops and Thill wasn't there.
I don't remember. I remember FinD and I talking about it in a GameDay thread. Don't remember which game (I can't wait for the runaround where a couple posters accuse me of making this up since I can't produce the video of it).
Among active QB's Tannehill has the 5th highest sacked percentage, so just outside of top 4 (which are Vick, Wilson, Smith, McCown): http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_sacked_perc_active.htm Here's the list for QB's all-time: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_sacked_perc_career.htm
Thank you, but what we're talking about specifically was a stat that the NFL itself posted, it showed a percentage or something about sacks that were the fault of the QB.
Yeah, the stat was QBs who are responsible for being sacked the most. Was an interesting stat that was showed, because of all the talk on here about how Wilson would be sacked even more if he wasn't so great, because his line is so bad.
Here you go: https://twitter.com/SNFonNBC/status/666080652874379264/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Highest sacks attributed to QB.. after week 9. Fitzpatrick, Taylor, Bortles, Wilson.
Boom, that's it!!! Well done. Thank you. I did misremember about where on the list Wilson was though.
Since when was SOB considered a censorship worthy word? I keep reading it as ***...one tough ***. Then my mind gets confused and explodes in a diaspora of thought that spans from possible colloquial usage (Dan Lebatard is one tough ***) to porn (Dan Lebatard is..."One Tough ***"). So, yeah, thanks for that...