One, Wilson has had as bad, if not worst oline than Tannehill through their careers, which makes his achievements that much more remarkable. Contrary to the "nobody is sacked or pressured more than poor Tanny narrative" In 2014 (I Haven't found 2015 yet) Wilson faced more pressure than Tanny. Wilson and Tanny have both faced immense amounts of pressure in their careers. Two, yes, Wilson gets sacked more because he tries to (and does) do more. Big Ben was harassed during his best years. If you are just relying on the sack count to determine whether Big Ben or Wilson were instinctual and the best at performing even with massive amounts of pressure, you're doing it wrong. This is back in 2012 his rookie year. [video=youtube;YL52QLZ9Rmw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL52QLZ9Rmw[/video] But with the improvisational nature of Ben and Wilson, comes more sacks since they are holding onto the ball more. You see on that play above, if he's tackled behind the LOS at any time, it'll be a sack and count as one that was his fault, yes. Also, sometime in Oct/Nov he was actually on pace for 70+ sacks. Carroll told him, less improvising and just get it out quick and he responded with a stretch never seen before and he cut the pace of 70 sacks down to 45.
Another. This is a bad throw, but see him sensing Aldon Smith to his left and just getting out of there. A better throw is a TD. I had a Gif of a Jet defender barreling towards Tannehill, only ever so slightly off the straight line of sight, and Tanny doesn't budge an inch and takes a sack. Sometimes I wonder if Tanny has a peripheral vision problem. Honestly.
I know, it sucks coming to the realization that Wilson has the escapability of Barry Sanders, and Tannehill doesn't. However, everyone needs to understand that, and stop wanting Tannehill to do what Wilson does.
In what world where Alex Smith play is pretty dang good? The guy is a average QB that succeeds because he's surrounded by good coaches and great talent.
Yeah, no one, literally no one, has ever pointed out that Wilson benefits from a good scheme, good to great run game, and consistent great defense, who consistently is holding opponents to under 20 points a game on average.
I've wondered the same thing. I remember Tannehill had eye surgery last year. Jared @jaredv87 20 Mar 2015 BIG, if true. RT @AndySlater: #Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill underwent LASIK eye surgery earlier this month, performed by Dr. Cory Lessner. But again, I think a lot of it is him adhering to the coaching he has received to date from Philbin and Lazor - stay in the pocket and make passes and let the receivers and backs do their jobs. There are times when you can literally see him start to take off, then stop and end up taking a sack. Hoping Gase takes ALL the tethers off and just lets him play more naturally.
Tannehill has had a problem reacting to onrushing attackers in his peripheral vision from way before the surgery. LASIK has a very high success rate, with some uncomfortable complications for a small percent, so it's probably not that. Anyway, no question Tannehill is failing to mentally process football relevant information from the periphery, but his peripheral vision as measured by standard tests is almost certainly fine, meaning he can see the attacker. He just can't process that information well enough while focusing on stuff downfield.
Very well could be. Let's see how he progresses. But that's just my feelings on it from what we've seen before. He's never going to be Houdini back there like Romo. Romo is the perfect style IMO. Maybe even Rodgers. Pocket passers that look to throw the ball every time, and when they take off running, still look to throw the ball and not scramble. Rodgers will scramble more often. Wilson just slightly more than Rodgers.
You say these things as though they are absolutes. I don't necessarily agree with any of that. Stands to reason that if there was an eye issue, then there was a problem that may affected his peripheral vision. LASIK is used to help correct 3 or 4 separate eye issues, usually with some form of blurriness or depth perception. Could be he sees fine at depth, but not at closer ranges. Some form of Myopia perhaps. But again, Philbin and Lazor have drilled it into him to stand in the pocket and play from the pocket at all costs. Philbin is on the record about this as well as the lack of rushing prioritization. Even Mike Sherman commented on it. I suspect the answer to the sacks is that Tannehill tries too hard to make a play from within an often non-existent pocket and eats the ball instead of saying Fk these guys (the OL) and getting outside the pocket to where he can either throw it away or make something happen. This is why (IMO) he often appears uncomfortable back there in certain situations or when he could possibly have just ran it. He's a good soldier though. Never gripes or complains and never throws anyone under the bus, even the bus has been driven over him forwards and backwards. Let's see how he and Gase mesh this season and how he looks in his 3rd offense.
Agree... looking forward to seeing his progression under Gase. Emulating Romo would be ideal as well. Funny how these guys get a reputation for something, even when it's false (choking with Romo), and it never seems to leave them no matter what. Just wish we had Romo's OL this season. lol...
Yes for sure. Romo is tops, its just his one or two big losses are so high profile. But he's a top notch QB I'd take over anyone but the top elites.Age will catch up soon though. We saw Dalton take a leap so it's very possible.
Yes, same with Cam Newton. In 2015, his numbers were nearly double his production of the 2014 season; in his 5th year, and were his best ever. Be interesting to see if he can replicate last season, or if it was an anomaly. Would love to see the same sort of jump from Tannehill. Of course, it begins with the protection. Chris Foerster has his work cut out for him.
Nothing is absolute but what I said is by FAR the most likely situation. Tannehill had a peripheral vision problem (in football) before and after LASIK so that was most likely correcting central, not peripheral vision.
Where have you seen it reported that Tannehill has trouble seeing peripherally? I've seen many people on here throw that out as conjecture, but never seen anyone post proof.
Yeah, he may have trouble processing the information, as many QBs do when they come into the league. Being coached to not leave the (nonexistent) pocket and find a receiver probably made it alot harder to learn how to process and handle the information. For people that subscribe to clutch, I'd think it would be more accepted that athletes play better when loose, and when you're handcuffed and not allowed the freedom to create, it causes you to play tight, look uncomfortable, etc. You can't just see and react, because you have stifle the instinct to react, and try to to what you're being told to do.
Yeah, I definitely agree with you and cuchulainn when it comes to the coaches handcuffing him. The only issue I'd have with that line of argument is that it's (to me) a valid excuse for years 1 and 2 (and maybe 3) but at some point you do expect a QB to assert himself (4 years using that excuse is for me stretching it). Well, as everyone says, hopefully this year is different. But it's the Dolphins we're talking about.. so.. wait and see.
Well, yes and no. In most normal situations, yes. But, if you're Tannehill, and your coach and OC are actively throwing you under the bus and trying to replace you, how confident are you in your job? The last thing you need is for your coach and OC to spread the word that you go rogue and don't follow what you're told...asserting yourself could further cause division and problems on the team. Now, obviously, this is all conjecture on my part, but knowing what we know about Philbin and Lazor, and knowing what we know about Tannehill, it seems a very real possibility that this was the case.
You may be right. But I do prefer my QB - more than any other player the leader of the team - to assert himself as a leader at some point, even if the coaches aren't that good. So even if you're right, I'd prefer not to use "bad coaches" as an excuse forever.
Yes, I do agree. However, some would argue that the coach is the leader of the team. If the QB starts doing the opposite of what the coach says, how long before other players follow his lead? Being a leader doesn't have to mean going off script. Sometimes being a leader means doing the hard thing. Many times, actually, that's what it means. Perhaps Tannehill actually showed great leadership by doing what the coaches wanted, even though he perhaps didn't want to. Hopefully Tannehill finally has a coach who believes in him, and gives him the green light to go off script if he feels he needs to.
