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Chiefs say Penington will sign with Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatic8480, Aug 8, 2008.

  1. cnc66

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    that's because all you know is what omar the idiot has been saying in his blogs..
     
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    To go where?

    The only teams other than Miami that have inquired about him are Kansas City and the Giants and they both view him as a back-up Quarterback to Brodie Croyle and Eli Manning. Green Bay or New England, if they were to go after him, would be for a back-up role as well.

    Minnesota (I don't know why) and Chicago are not interested.
     
  3. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    You don't bring a 32 year veteran with injury problems to start on a rebuilding team, period.
     
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    Pennington will not retire. He'll take a second string job for one season and then look for a starting job somewhere else next season before he retires. He is determined to play.
     
  5. JMHPhin

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    LOL, thats all I am gonna say just LOL
     
  6. Jaj

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    I don't know about that. It could possibly keep Chad Henne from being brain-scarred by the year we may yet have.

    I'd like to the other players on the team to know they've got a guy that's been through it all, etc etc...

    By the way one point that people have missed with Pennington. His arm strength when healthy isn't to the point where he cannot throw the deep ball. He throws a solid deep ball mostly because he has touch on it. He can throw it 30-40 yards.

    He can't howitzer bomb it 60 yards like Henne, Culpepper and does kinds of guys can, but those are rare anyway. His biggest problem is probably throwing into double coverage with a safety collapsing on the receiver.

    Once again: If we sign Pennington and Bentley immediately, we will win some games this year and set ourselves up well for next year as we continue to improve the team, possibly with another WR for offense and everything else for defense.
     
  7. Brown42000

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    If Pennington signs with Miami it will be because he would start. What other reason would he sign with the worst team in the league unless he knew he will be THE guy this season. The main reason he wanted out in New York was because he didn't want to ride the pine again this season. Minnesota and KC seem like the other two most likely destinations who both have extremely iffy quarterback situations.

    I made my case about Beck in another thread and will not get into another heated debate about two quarterbacks who will likely not be starting with this team next season. Its a waste of time.

    I would rather see Henne start the season as he seems to be having the best TC so far.
     
  8. Desides

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    What makes you think he's capable of starting to begin with?

    This is arguable at best.
     
  9. Brown42000

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    Their is nothing out there for me to believe he is not capable of starting. He has been a consistent quarterback through the years who can win games. Yeah he has a noodle arm but he will be the quarterback in camp (if signed) with the most experience and give the best chance for the team to win. Parcells also drafted him so that may or may not factor in.

    What quarterback in your opinion is having the best TC?
     
  10. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Too bad they didn't have Edwards rated ahead of Beck.
     
  11. like2god

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    Edwards hasn't done anything to warrant that. Heck, even Bills fans aren't too high on his play from last year.
     
  12. texasPHINSfan

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    everyone's high on Edwards because he out-performed ALL other QBs drafted last year. he's no Marino, but he had a phenomenal year considering he was a straight-up rookie.
     
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  13. jdang307

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    I'd take Cameron and Martz opinions over most any day of the week, including those over in Buffalo. Trent Edwards isn't that special, and didn't really outplay Losman last year. I think they gave up on Losman way way to soon. He was one of the best deep passers in 2006. They had to work on his intermediate and short passing, but that's easier than deep passing, but they let emotions get the better of them. I think this will bite them in the you know where.
     
  14. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Oh my...surely you jest.

    I'll let everyone judge for themselves the veracity of your claim;

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?statsId=8346&sYear=2007


    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?statsId=8294&sYear=2007


    I think the stats don't speak, but scream, to the point that Edwards has done MUCH to warrant being rated ahead of Beck.

    And when did we start putting any stock in anything Bills' fans say? :wink2:
     
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  15. jdang307

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    You have to look at the circumstances. How good would you think Edwards would be if they traded away or lost their best two starters (WR and RB) on offense? Take away Lee Evans, Marshawn Lynch, give edwards no snaps until a week before he starts. Then see what he does. Seriously.

    I wonder how Edwards would have performed without his good weapons in a game like the one against Pittsburgh. If you look at it, he had one bad game. Against the Jets.

    Go through Trent Edwars first four games and you have: 1 TD 4 INTs. Granted, two of them were wins, but again, team sport. His rating in one of those wins was in the mid 50s.
     
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  16. JMHPhin

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    If you are gonna use apples to compare oranges then we have nothing to debate.
     
  17. Roman529

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    I am worried Chad Pennington could turn into Ray Lucas, Part II,,,,I have already seen this movie a couple times, and the ending sucks.

    :sad:
     
  18. Fin Fan In Cali

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    Pennington would give you some nice insight in to the first game with the Jets though.:wink2:
     
  19. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Can we sign him, interrogate him, and cut him before the 1st game as if he never existed??? :knucks:
     
  20. Fin Fan In Cali

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    :lol:
     
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    We could, but you have to fill out about 300 forms in triplicate...:wink2:
     
  22. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Now why would you want to pull a New England Patriots move? They do that all the time with low key players.
     
  24. Paul 13

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    This is what is going to happen if none of the current three qb's grab the bull by the horns and win this thing, we'll go into week one with Josh McCown as our starter. He's the most experienced, he would win the job by default just because of that. Should he falter in the first week or two, Chad Pennington will be signed shortly thereafter. Again, you get in a situation where you bring a veteran in AFTER week one and their salary isn't guaranteed (if they are on the roster for week one, their salary IS guaranteed). This is the same situation as Terry Glenn and LeCharles Bentley. Two more guys whom Miami is interested in YET won't sign until after week one.

    What this does is let Beck and Henne get the most possible reps in the preseason. We have to know what these young guys are capable of before they are anointed the starter. Let them play and face all different kinds of defenses.

    This also gives Pennington an opportunity to wait and see what else could come up here in preseason or early on in the regular season, should an injury occur to any starting quarterback.
     
  25. SkapePhin

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    I bet we sign Penny, cut McCown, and then McCown will sign with the Jets as a backup..

    SWAP PLAYBOOKS for Week 1! LOL. That would be an epic season opener.
     
  26. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Look, hes younger, bigger, stronger, and played better than Beck. If you want to say it was due to the offense, the defense, global warming, June Equinox...its all good. But he played better than Beck.

    There is alot of emperical data to suggest that if Martz and Cameron had him rated over Beck, they were wrong.
     
  27. dolfan32323

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    Pennington should be signed before week one.
     
  28. SuncoastFinsFan

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    ROFLMAO! Are you kidding me?

    Apples and Oranges? Thats absurdity on stilts, mi amigo. Facts are facts, and they are stubborn.

    I took the EXACT same stats for each and let them speak for themselves. But, if you are going to duck and jive behind irrationalities, then you are correct, the debate will break down.
     
  29. jdang307

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    Look at their first four games. Trent played slightly better. He played better, but not much better (center to qb exchange could use improvement). I'm saying, jury is still out.

    Slightly better with a Lee Evans and a Marshawn compared to a Ronnie brown less and Chambers'less. Sure, he did play SLIGHTLY better.

    Empirical Evidence as you say: 1 TD, 4 INT. Through 4 games. 67.97 QBR for Trent through 4. 62 for Beck. Woohoo So much better ;)
     
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  30. SuncoastFinsFan

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    You are missing the forrest for the trees...or put another way, you refuse to acknowledge facts that don't fit your template.

    What game did John Beck play well in last year? Not one. He was horrible in all of the games, maybe except when the Bengals emptied their bench, and he played average.

    Edwards played very well in several games. The Bills know that Edwards CAN play. Now he has to adjust to the defenses of the NFL.

    We still don't know EVEN IF Beck can play in this league.

    How you can say thats not emprical or obvious or blatant, I don't know what to tell you. You obviously won't be swayed by facts. Whoo hooo. Facts.
     
  31. jdang307

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    I'm saying, through their first few games, the stats, that YOU Linked, showed me, they didnt' play all that different. That's what I see. I also know, Trent Edwards had at his disposale legitimate stars at WR and RB. Miami lost both of theirs.

    You want to show me different stats? Link me.
     
  32. SuncoastFinsFan

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    No, I want to show you the same facts, but you have to be able to be openminded, and obviously thats a choice that as of this minute, you haven't been able to make.

    In Edwards second game, he played well. Beck, in four games, never played as well as Edwards did. Thats it, thats all.

    I don't know why you guys even debate this. The truth has to be stretched to an extreme state to even try to cover your assertion.

    There is a bottom line in this situation...and that is AT THIS POINT, Trent Edwards is proven to be a better QB than John Beck. That is all there is to say about this right now. Failure to acknowledge this is simply denial, nothing less.
     
  33. jdang307

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    I admit that. Go through my posts. He played better. I offered some mitigating circumstances. First, you lose your two probowl caliber weapons, with no depth behind it. That's a hard situation to succeed in, no? Who was behind Chambers, and who was behind Ronnie. Second, through four games, Edwards outplayed Beck, yes. But not lights out better, and their TD/INT stats were identical. Again, see my weapons point.

    That's what I'm saying. At this point he has played better. At this point you can't say definitively that Martz and Cameron were wrong either. it's still too early. Are you one of those who said Whoever had Cadillac Williams ahead of Ronnie Brown after their first year was wrong and it should have been vice versa? Cadillac outplayed Ronnie, esp. through those first 3 games.

    How many olinemen outplayed Vernon Carey his first year? I bet almost every single linemen drafted. Look at VC now. He can play LT and RT at a very high level.

    You said Edwards outplayed Beck last year. I said, cool, you are right, but I point out, not much better through 4, and with all his weapons. You say, too bad Cam and Martz didn't have Ewards ranked ahead of Beck, definitively. I'm sayiing, hold your horses, its too early to make such a statement. I'm still of the opinion Losman is better than Edwards last year. Bills gave up on him way too fast and I think they made a misake. Losman was on the verge of breaking out, and threw one of the best deep balls.
     
  34. alen1

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    So...anyone think the Chiefs were right on this call?
     
  35. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Wow...theres alot here when you are basically admitting that you agree that Edwards outplayed Beck.

    I hear all of your circumstantial reasons, but this is a bottom line business. And the bottom line is as we agree it is. To this point, Edwards > Beck.

    You can't evaluate QBs and RBs the same so your example of CW vs RB is wasted. Its of no value in this debate.

    I did say that its too bad that Cam didn't have Edwards ahead of Beck. I did have Edwards rated higher. But I have also said that its too early to know if Beck is a bust. So far, he's played like it, but its far too early to make the assertion. Go to some of the threads asking if Beck gets cut. I lay it out clearly there.

    But we know that Edwards is not a bust. Thats why the Bills didn't take a QB early in this draft. They have their starting QB on their roster.

    If you are going to pick apart my statements that you find critical of Beck, you should also acknowledge that I support Beck in his struggles. I want him to succeed, and have said so in NUMEROUS posts.

    Look, lets look ahead to tonights game and hope that Beck and Henne both play well, and that Mr CP needs to bring his A game if he wants to start. Deal? :knucks:
     

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