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I Miss Being Optimistic

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finster, May 25, 2016.

  1. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    I remember Steve Walsh looked like a surefire NFL prospect as well.
     
  2. bakedmatt

    bakedmatt Well-Known Member

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    You're confusing 2001 with 2002.

    2001 = Fletcher, 11-5, but we made the playoffs
    2002 = Ricky Williams leads the league in rushing yards, #1 defense and NFL's sack leader in Jason Taylor, but we missed the playoffs at 9-7

    That 2002 squad should have made noise in the playoffs if we had even decent QB play.
     
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  3. Sceeto

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    Ha! Just saw. Couldn't imagine there would be more, but I'm sure glad there is. It's awesome stuff. Great breakdowns of the kid. Sounds like a hell of a prospect to groom and see what happens and to get him so late in the draft? That's pretty cool. It's intriguing and I have since looked a lot more into the kid's game. I agree with much of ck's assessments. I will share more of what i saw when I get a mo, but pretty cool.
     
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  4. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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    Hey we can still win and get into playoffs this year. It's possible.
     
  5. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Damn straight 71. We gonna make it to Flagstaff for Cardinals training camp this year? I wanna hang out before heading back to Hawaii...
     
  6. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Mandela effect, great...fml

    Now I'm depressed, lol...
     
  7. dolphin25

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    that was a good joke directed to me :)
     
  8. dolphin25

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    I was disappointed in that game for him. I KNEW he was way better then that, but I also knew that the "experts" would knock the game. He made some really great throws in that game as well. I don't know how many of the QB's went before him, but I am glad they did as he fell to the Dolphins. Many don't know that he was coached by Jeff Brohm a former NFL QB, and Brandon spent a lot of time picking his brain about the NFL and the offense they run. He is a self proclaimed film and playbook geek.

    Anyone putting Jones ahead of Doughty is just an idiot. They went head to head at the skills competition and Doughty one. Jones didn't even seem to want to compete, I would never choose a player that didn't want to compete in anything. I still recall Zack and JT saying how they wanted to destroy each other in ping pong.
     
  9. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 21h21 hours ago Brandon Doughty with a nice first down throw to Jarvis Landry. Caught my eye. Well placed ball
     
  10. dolfan7171

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    That's cool. Hey hit me up so we can plan it all out. I have the same number.
     
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  11. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Imagine if Doughty Kirk Cousins's Ryan Tannehill. That'd be crazy.
     
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  12. ckparrothead

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    I think an outside observer would have to consider that possibility. I know that internally we're all jazzed up about Adam Gase and his ability to "fix" Ryan Tannehill but realistically speaking I'm sure Redskins fans expected the exact same with respect to Jay Gruden and RG3. Gase has gushed about Tannehill, but I'm sure Jay Gruden gushed about RG3 as well. The difference in this case is Gase was present for the drafting of Brandon Doughty and presumably had a hand in it, whereas Cousins was drafted contemporaneously with RG3 under Mike Shanahan. So actually Miami's situation might even be more prone to an RG3/Cousins than the RG3/Cousins situation was.

    I can't say it's not in the back of my mind that Tannehill may just not fit what Adam Gase is trying to do. Tannehill is not Peyton Manning. And his style is a little bit different from Jay Cutler's. Something that usually excites people about Tannehill is his athletic ability and his being a former wide receiver, etc. Well I'm not sure that Adam Gase has ever or will ever rate that as an important factor for him, as he comes from kind of the Mike Martz school on classic, accurate, smart decision making passers that can deliver the football to where the mismatch develops.

    People talk about how Adam Gase is gushing about Tannehill's intelligence, but I share your view, Gase isn't qualified to speak on Tannehill's functional live fire football intelligence until he's coached and graded some of Tannehill's games. Bill Lazor gushed about Tannehill's intelligence as well, until they started playing real games and Tannehill was not making the right decisions on the field to the point Lazor eventually got fed up.

    So this isn't so much about Doughty who let's face it is ultimately a 7th round rookie. It's about the kind of nagging reminder in the back of your head that there is sound logic as to why this COULD go wrong, between Gase and Tannehill. Not that it will. I think it should go swimmingly. But it could go wrong, too.
     
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  13. jdang307

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    Exactly. I'm not putting it high on the scale of probability, but it's also not out of this world either. The NFL is littered with late round failures but plenty of successes too. Brady, obviously. Romo UDFA. Hasselbeck, Brunell, Gannon. Oh yeah, and Martz favorite ... Bulger.
     
  14. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    After watching Doughty's game film, I was kind of perplexed that he lasted until the 7th round.

    I talked with 25 about it, through PMs and on the boards, his accuracy is pretty rare, he throws into tiny windows, and not necessarily threading needles through the D, but placing the ball just where the WR can get it.

    Say like on an out, where the CB is on the WR, but there is just enough room to get it past the CBs hands, but only enough for the WRs hands, that's like a 1 foot square box, and he did it over and over, I was extremely impressed, you can't teach accuracy like that.

    I can't wait to see what he can do in preseason.
     
  15. jdang307

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    It's Tannehill's job for the foreseeable future (barring injury) so he has a perfect situation to get acclimated to the NFL and develop.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    Time being on Brandon Doughty's side is a good thing because he's not a guy that is going to impress you with tangibles. You look at this like history tends to repeat itself and Doughty's history is one where he earned the job at Western Kentucky in 2013 by working twice as hard as the competition to learn every nuance of the offense being installed by Petrino. He's talked about how he created flash cards, had his future wife quizzing him, etc. That kind of thing matters at that level because the other kids really aren't necessarily doing the same thing. I know sometimes we assume they are but they're not. Obviously this is a different level, but the theme he will run with will be similar. His intention is to become a native of the system, to absorb every bit of the philosophy and details behind it and be a system quarterback (which is a label many players dread, but I sense he doesn't).

    Just watch the Tennessee game from 2013 (it's on YouTube) and they gush about his reputation for how fully he absorbed the system and how consistently he makes the right reads, etc. And then he goes on to throw 5 interceptions. Hey, sometimes it's not your day. But the important part is he kept going. He didn't just learn the system well enough to win the job and keep it. He went further in 2014 and 2015.

    Here's what I mean. This is back in 2013. Listen to the type of narrative they lay out about Doughty, which is a function of what Bobby Petrino himself is putting out to them:
    https://youtu.be/YLEyIG6OfBw?t=258

    And you can keep going as they continue at the beginning of the game to really talk up this line of narrative:
    https://youtu.be/YLEyIG6OfBw?t=384

    The argument they're making about Doughty is that he's a nuance quarterback. That's what they're getting at and they're going to keep railing at it as media people do with narratives. And yes he went on that game to struggle a bit, finished the year completing 66% of his passes (246 of 374) but with only 7.6 YPA, 14 TDs and 14 INTs, 19 sacks.

    He wasn't the juggernaut he would go on to become in 2014 and again in 2015. That's why I note that even though he'd already achieved that reputation in 2013 and even though he became the starter, it's notable that he immersed himself more and more fully into the offense, and by the time he got done at WKU, this is what the experts were saying about him:

    https://youtu.be/q2axvitQsrs?t=58

    Zierlein was making the case that perhaps he learned his college offense SO well that he'll have trouble moving to a new offense. I don't think that's generally the case. I think guys that show they're good at learning and completely absorbing things go on to continue showing that they're good at learning and completely absorbing things.

    He decided he was going to differentiate himself from more physically dynamic players at Western Kentucky by immersing himself in the offense and doing gimmicky things to win the job. Then when he was the starter that wasn't good enough, he kept going until he fully mastered it to an impressive degree (we are talking about near record breaking offense at the FBS level, after all).

    That history will tend to repeat. He's coming to the NFL, once again he's not going to have very sure footing. He's a backup. He's competing with Logan Thomas (physically dynamic player) and Zac Dysert (very strong arm). How is he going to differentiate? He'll go back to the same answer and then just keep at it. And if you give him a year or two before he actually has to put any of that training out on the field in real games, it might actually look impressive. If he starts early, first year learning the offense, again you could have history repeat itself like his struggles in 2013...except Miami may not have the patience Tennessee did to where they gave him 2014 to iron it out.
     

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