Also, I don't think that defender is in his cone of vision. I think Tannehill is looking downfield, out to the right (from Tannehill's perspective) of that defender.
Should he break upwards through the pocket to get smacked by the linebacker or safety? Should the oline allow pressure from both ends?
I'm not sure what you mean by break. If the tackle loses leverage on his outside shoulder, the QB needs to adjust his angle, particularly if there is an open lineman there. Well it depends on what your expectations are. NFL OL play is historically bad, so it isn't surprising. Either way nobody here is debating whether the Dolphins OL sucked or not. It is universally accepted. Whats being debated is how well the QB deals with the poor OL play. On some plays, there is nothing the QB can do: http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/11/tannehillsacked2.gif On other plays, the QB doesn't deal with the pressure adequately IMO.
http://football-players.pointafter....r.tb.dt.10753#7-Miami-Dolphins-Ryan-Tannehill this site had Tannehill ranked 26nd of 32 QB's.
This is great...what do all these QBs have in common? What does this tell us about how much a QB impacts how often he is pressured?
I mean, what do you think he should have done on that play? He couldn't roll out to the side, and going up the middle he had initially a linebacker and a safety there waiting. My opinion, alot of the hesitation to break the pocket and run has been a result of the coaching. I want Tannehill to be more mobile, maybe not as much as DJ, wants, but I agree with him in principle. I'd like to see Tannehill be more assertive in those situations this season. I also think that if the whole line isn't a complete abortion this season, then you'll see Tannehill be more assertive in breaking the pocket.
These peripheral vision stats are found where again? No. There needs to be a pocket for their to be pocket management.
All he needs to do is take a couple of steps up and between the tackles inside shoulder and the LG. There was open space there. The DE can't beat the tackle on both shoulders. That would have bought him more time - enough to get rid of the ball. Don't think anyone disagrees that he hasn't had good coaching. How much that has played a role is TBD.
omgoodness..this is football, qbs can deal with rush and make plays avoiding rush very quickly, as in when they see it happen peripherally they can adjust their platform very quickly and still keep some focus downfield...this isn't complicated, qbs have been doing it since the beginning.
We are talking about the top 0.0001%, the difference between being the 20th best in the world vs. being the 5th best. These things are very difficult, which is why these guys making tens of millions every year.
yup..ryan seemingly is not that good at peripherally seeing whats happening in front of him {make moves} while keeping tabs whats going on downfield..there are qbs who can..this is why he's been the most sacked qb in football since entering the league..how do we deal with this weakness, we draft the best tackle in the draft.
OR, a developing QB wasn't given the tools or coaching to allow him to handle these types of situations.
Nope. This was a separate argument about being able to successfully do two things at once, it really had nothing to do with Tannehill.
I agree, but you either have the trait or you don't..best coarse of action is to improve the line to mitigate the weakness and see how far we can get..
That is why they are pressured more often? That seems diametrically opposed to your point? You realize that is a list of QBs that were pressured the most? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
Lol at behind the head vision = peripheral vision. And you know he didn't see him how? He could have been trying to outrun him. In the photo I posted, Tanny did nothing until the rusher was on top of him, and then curled up. No evasive maneuvers.
He is. Again, Tanny has tunnel vision. Sure all QBs miss it. But Tanny's numbers are exacerbated because he misses them ... a lot. Full clip for those who want to see it. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...sacked-by-Muhammad-Wilkerson-for-10-yard-loss
This problem Tannehill has with processing football-relevant information from his peripheral visual field HAS to be correctable with proper coaching IMO. If the coach can simulate different types of pressure in practice while Tannehill has to find the open receiver, then the proper level of attention to pressure can likely be trained. The trick is to not throw him to the wolves so to say, but to gradually make the task of responding correctly to pressure more difficult. Otherwise learning (of the type you want) probably won't occur. In fact, in my personal opinion if Tannehill doesn't improve in situations where it's arguably "on the QB" to respond appropriately to pressure, then as far as I'm concerned that's one area where Gase isn't a good coach. Yes, you compensate for this weakness by building a stronger OL, but it's really up to the coach to help remove this weakness because I doubt the QB on his own can do it (by will) without the proper simulations in practice.
lol, you think running past someone means they weren't in the peripheral. Hey, whatever it takes, you have a rep to uphold I guess...
I don't need to, you can see it in the clip I posted. You also, missed the entire point of my post...per usual...
Yeah, all we ever see is the defender is directly behind him. So unless he has eyes in the back of his head we never see him in his peripheral vision.
I think its a weakness than can be identified...1st, the weakness, he focuses on his read and doesn't see where the rush is coming from, 2nd, he's the most sacked qb over the past 4 years is the result of that weakness..kinda proves the point a bit. hard to argue against, some want to use the variables and I understand, but i think we can see it regardless...we have 4 years of data.
The offseason is about working on improving your weaknesses.. I saw a drill that gase has him doing which is manipulating thru the dummies while trying to keep his eyes on the target and be accurate...The one rep I saw it didn't go well..so because this is a big part of the game and sacks or the avoidance of them, are critical as it relates to winning and losing, he would be doing these drills every day and twice on sundays.
Hard to tell what works.. I guess we'll find out, but I'd think you'd need people to actually rush at him in specific ways to learn this (so simulate the situation as closely as possible). Well, we'll see.
absolutely, dummies only go so far.. heres the good news, ryans line has been so bad that when he does get that extra time it should feel like an eternity in his clock.
I think he does tend to do this, but in that specific clip he did see the rush, but chose not to evade it. He seemed confident that he was going to be able to get the ball out before the sack and that he didn't have to move around to buy time. There came a point where his target was covered and he had no other options, meanwhile Wilkerson was already on his way and it was too late to do anything else but take a sack. That is on coaching, IMO.
Well the first thing that's totally misleading about that still is that it doesn't show that it was a play action pass and Tannehill had his back to the line in the dropback. When I put it on frame by frame when Tannhill first turns his head to check his protection Bushrod (I think that's who it is) has his helmet in Wilkinson's chest. Tannehill then sets his feet and lifts his head to look downfield to throw and at the same time Bushrod lets Wilkinson run free. (the frame) Tannehill sees Wilkinson pumps his arm to pass, presumably to his outlet. Tannehill thinks better of it then eats the sack, rather than risk a fumble. I'd agree totally it's poor pocket presence if it was a straight drop back, but it was play action. Presenting that still as an example of poor peripheral vision by a QB is misleading.
the point is, his main priority should of been evading that player and him only, should not of kept looking to the read, he had enough time to make a move.
Oh I think that play is a great example of bad pocket presence by Tannehill. Doesn't matter what the play was, he had more than enough time to make an extra move or run to evade the pressure to buy himself more time to scan the field. I'm sure Tannehill sees the onrushing defender, he just doesn't make a football-smart play with that information. (dj beat me to it)
