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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan7171, Jun 18, 2016.

  1. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So damn true.
     
  2. dolphin25

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    He changed to what the felt the current QB could do?
     
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  3. jdang307

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    He got rid of Brandon Marshall because of his behavioral problems. You're really reaching if you're trying to pull that out.
    Comebacks and curls are what Tanny does best. We all know the throws he has trouble with, those aren't it.
    Daniel Thomas only got more carries than Miller in Miller's rookie year, both behind Reggie Bush who was the lead back. After the rookie year, Miller was the lead guy every year.
    Brian Hartline was a 15 ypc guy. He isn't elite but he brought chunk yardage. Brian Hartline is a guy as your #3 or #4 was a chunk play guy.

    Running a pass heavy offense is all of a sudden indicative of NOT wanting chunk plays? Now we've gone plaid.

    Look, I think Philbin was a terrible coach and NEVER wanted him in the first place, and after Hard Knocks I was in the anti-philbin camp and stayed there.

    But this isn't about his ability but his desire and preferences.
     
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  4. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    How is it that Philbin had the power to trade Brandon Marshall and Vontae Davis but didn't have the power to get rid of Jon Martin or Richie Incognito or to draft Derek Carr?

    And what happened to that Wallace overthrow/underthrow video? No comeback or curl routes in that video and if he hits on all of them that adds a ton of explosive plays.

    Philbin knew his shortcomings. He knew he needed an Aaron Rodgers type to make himself look good, just like 95% of the other coaches in the NFL. And he knew Tannehill would never be that type. He'll be fine with Andrew Luck.
     
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  5. Unlucky 13

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    Luck needs all the well wishes and good vibes anyone can send, because with Philbin in charge of that OL, he's in trouble :lol:
     
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  6. Pauly

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    His stated preference was explosiveness. Yet at every single fork in the road he chose the path marked 'safe and reliable, not the path marked 'higher risk, higher reward'.

    He could have kept Marshall, but he chose the safe road. He sacrificed his most explosive playmaker to make his coaching job easier.
    He hired Sherman before we drafted RT17, so we were going to run Sherman's curl and comeback system regardless of who we drafted/traded for/picked up in FA. And even then the plan was for RT17 to sit and watch behind David Garrad (iirc) in his first year. Again the safe option.
    Miller only got more carries after Injuries to Reggie Bush and Knowshown Moreno. It wasn't Philbin's plan to use him. He only started Miller because he literally had no other option.
    Mathews was kept on the sidelines watching in 2014 and 2013. In 2014 in particular he was a better option than the WRs we put on the field. In 2015 the only reason he started was because of injuries to Stills and Parker.
    In both cases the risky young players only got their opportunity because Philbin had no other choice.
    I'm not saying that we should have been run heavy. What I am saying is that being 32nd in the league in rushing attempts means opposing Ds are constantly in pass prevent mode and limiting the ability of the offense to generate chunk plays. By failing to make opposing Ds respect the run the passing game got fewer opportunities for WRs to make one on one plays for big gains. You know how Pittsburgh use a lot of heavy runs to set up
    Again he chose a path that got him 'safe' plays on short passing and reducing his chance of making explosive plays.
     
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  7. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Another way of looking at it.
    What did Philbin do, of his own choosing, to make the Dolphins Offense more explosive?

    He said lots of things about wanting more explosion but what specifically did he do to make it happen?

    He had 4 years opportunity as HC.
     
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  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    And here we have again, people pointing out shortcomings of Tannehill in year one and two...with seemingly no regard for the fact that 1) he was a rookie, and most rookies struggle in their first couple seasons and 2) he was extremely raw, needing more coaching and time to develop than most first round QBs. The fact that Philbin wanted to replace him after year two or three speaks volumes about Philbin and the coaching staff. Anyone who actually believes that Tannehill was well coached and put in a position to succeed must have been seeing a different coaching staff.
     
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  9. dolphin25

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    He apparently tried to get a different QB, but was blocked.
     
  10. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    So again that's something he talked about but didn't do.
    Either he couldn't convince the FO that he was right or he didn't tell them at a time when they could do anything about it (some reports are he told the FO 2 days before the draft).

    Trying ain't doing.
     
  11. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    I saw Wallace running wide open all over the yard under Sherman. Just in one game against the Panthers he was wide open for easy scores on 6 occasions, that game could have easily been over at the half if the offense (Tannehill) had the ability to be more explosive.
     
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  12. roy_miami

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    Matthews was kept on the sidelines because he wasn't very good and certainly wasn't a better option. Matthews developed nicely but this idea that he was a great player all along being hidden on the bench is false. Sure its possible a better coach might have gotten him better faster but wtf do you expect from a 7th round pick?

    Here are our WR corps yards per snap numbers since 2012:

    2015:
    Landry- 1.33 yards per snap
    Matthews- 1.27 yards per snap
    Parker- 1.06
    Stills- 0.74
    Jennings- 0.68

    2014
    Landry-1.11 yards per play
    Wallace- 1.05
    Matthews- 0.64
    Gibson- 0.59
    Hartline- 0.58
    Sims- 0.56
    (Stills-1.51 yards on each of his 617 offensive snaps in 2014. Which is better by far than any Dolphin receiver.)

    2013
    Gibson- 1.41 yards per snap on 252 snaps
    Hartline- 1.12 yards per on 907 offensive snaps
    Wallace- 0.98 yards per snap on 951 snaps
    Matthews- 0.86 yards per on 519 snaps

    2012
    Hartline- 1.21
    Bess- 1.05
    Matthews- 0.65 (232 offensive snaps)
    M. Moore- 0.59 (196 offensive snaps)
     
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    I wouldn't blame that on Philbin. That's the GM's call ultimately. I mean we're talking about the draft here. Many of the other things you mentioned you can blame on Philbin, like who to play or what plays to call, but not this.
     
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  14. resnor

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    Like the game winner he dropped at the end?

    Let's not start the Wallace thing again, it's been beat to death, and you apparently still can't wrap your head around the idea that Wallace's limitations made him a bad fit for Tannehill.
     
  15. Finster

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    Or was it the other way around, the idea that a WR is a bad fit for the QB is an odd one, that would mean it's actually the QB that has the shortcomings.
     
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  16. roy_miami

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    According to Football Outsiders metrics Wallace was ranked 20th in 2014, considering Philbin, Lazor, the o-line and the QB coach were terrible, and Tannehill is not elite, or raw, or average or learning a new system - where should he have been ranked if he were any good? Is it fair to think he should be a top 10 receiver under those conditions?
     
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  17. dolphin25

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    I actually liked Matthews way before he started getting playing time. So, I think he was better, but just didnt get to play like he should have early on.
     
  18. jdang307

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    And Wallace's strengths is also bad fit for Tannehill. So it was indeed a match made in hell. Wallace isn't a great tracker or fighter for the ball. Tannehill has problems with speedy down the field WRs (unless they run comebacks and curls).

    But ... and it's a big but. In 2014, Wallace improved his game and his catch radius improved big time. You have to give Wallace credit for that. Tanny owes a lot of 2014 to Wallace's improvement in his game.

    You need a driver who knows how to drive a ferrari with Wallace, and there aren't many in the league who can. Similar to Torrey Smith. The jury is out on Kenny Stills. Kenny Stills' metrics under Brees was off the charts. Insane.

    Whether the failed hookups were due to Tanny, or Lazor, we will find out this year.
     
  19. jdang307

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    Football Outsiders hated his 2013, for good reason, he was terrible. But they really liked his 2014:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/catch-radius-nfc-north-stars

     
  20. jdang307

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    He's only moderately in charge of it. There are many heads above him to make sure he doesn't eff it up. Same as in Green Bay. Same as when he was the offensive coordinator but didn't design the game plan on his own, or even call the plays. He was quite literally, just an offensive "coordinator" and coordinated everyone to do their jobs, and then spell check it at the end (true story).
     
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  21. jdang307

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    Throw way too many deep passes when Tanny wasn't very good at it.

    Call 60% passes, 40% runs.

    I know, you're thinking, it's a WCO, it's a lot of short passes. But under Sherman, Tannehill was in the top 3rd, in average depth of throws in the league, It wasn't until after game 3'ish of 2014 did they shorten the field for him.

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/miamis-gamble-what-does-tannehills-new-contract-mean/

    They were not trying to dink and dunk with Tanny.
     
  22. jdang307

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    Ooof. Two things, his ypa improved last year thank goodness, and all those sacks weren't his fault. Some maybe, but not all. But that's not good company!
     
  23. Don't_Be_A_Troll

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    Don't care what y'all say Tannehill is a top 5 QB. Just give him the best defense and offensive line. Then they will make the playoffs.
     
  24. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Actions speak louder than desperate words from a coach destined for demotion....Philbin was fired for good reasons. He thought he provided sufficient protection? .... and Carr could withstand the punishment he allowed Tannehill to take?

    We got rid of our lousy coach, half *** diva WR crew (Wallace,Hartline,Matthews) and got some real weapons.... Maybe we can get him a TE... Good qbs seem to appreciate those too. Just like a running game..... But no, we didn't need any resemblance of an offensive system... We just needed Derek Carr, or any other qb to fix this! :lol:

    "Always have a fall guy."
     
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