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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Section126, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I think we already got there, at least a little, in the playoffs. He found one doctor...his Zorelto doctor... to clear him. The Boshes started that campaign on Twitter to let him play.

    Can't fault the team. And personally, I think it's basically a certainty that another clot will arise. That's where it gets ugly. There's no good way for the team to force him into retirement with money being at the forefront.


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  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Im not sure it is that cut and dry. Didn't he go off thinners before, then another clot developed? If he goes off them now, what are the chances of re-occurance? Can the Heat not let him play if there is a 50% chance?

    Beyond that, youre likely going to find doctors with varying opinions.

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  3. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    So the Nets have signed Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson thus far to RFA sheets. If they land both I think those will be huge long-term signings for them. Especially love the Crabbe signing - wish Miami made an offer to him.
     
  4. finfansince72

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    It could easily get complicated. Say the Heat's team doctor thinks he can't play, Bosh goes and gets multiple doctors to say he can....then its a fight. Bosh has a LOT of money due to him if he plays, I'm not sure if he gets his money if he's medically forced to retire but if he doesn't he may fight it. Tough situation, Bosh seems like a decent guy.
     
  5. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    If this is anything like it was last year it might be tough for him to get clearance from multiple doctors. He was trying to get clearance for the playoffs and went to multiple doctors and could not get them to sign off. I think only one did and he was a very questionable doctor.

    If he is still on the blood thinners I think he is toast. I agree I hate it for him, Bosh is a good dude.
     
  6. finfansince72

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    I'm sure the team meets a lot more than 40 times a year, he may have just been saying 'practices' to over simplify things, I don't know. Still do you really think this is completely made up? Whiteside is a supremely talented big man who couldn't find an NBA team to sign him for a few years, there was something very obviously wrong with him. I mean anyone 7 feet that has a heart beat can make an NBA roster somewhere.

    You have to wonder what is going to happen now that this is HIS team, if he tunes out the coaching staff and the vets on the team it could be ugly.
     
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  7. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If he can get his money or most of it he probably should retire. Blood clots are not something to roll the dice on, he's got a family and he's got enough money to live a wealthy lifestyle for the rest of his life, me? I'd retire and move on.
     
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  8. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bosh's contract is fully guaranteed.

    He gets every cent whether he ever steps on the floor again or not.

    If he retires though we can clear his contract off the books in February
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    It's more complicated than that. Bosh will indeed get paid the remainder of his contract regardless. But the Heat will collect on an insurance policy for a very large chunk of it, and the Heat CAN wipe the contract from their salary cap ledger if Bosh misses more than a year and then an independent doctor chosen by the Heat and the NBAPA reviews Bosh's case and concludes he cannot continue his career.
     
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  10. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    If we are going to try to force Bosh into retirement believe me things will definitely get ugly and the media will give us a lashing for it. Theyll look at it as, rileys way to get out of a bad contract he does not want on his cap.
     
  11. sports24/7

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    Those could also potentially be awful contracts that continue to set that franchise back. Those are two players that have yet to even become starters in the NBA.
     
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  12. ckparrothead

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    Certain people will view it that way but I think if you trot out doctor after doctor after doctor who says:

    1. The recurrence of a blood clot within a year means he should probably be on thinners for the rest of his life, and
    2. Being on thinners means you just can't play a contact sport like the NBA because you could die.

    ...then a very large number of people will understand the Heat and an army of doctors insisting that Bosh should probably retire.
     
  13. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Shoot arounds...yes. Shoot arounds on the road (41 of them) , the team gets on a bus.

    So if you believe Stephen A, you believe he was late to every single shoot around at home except for 1.

    I am calling EXTREME Bull**** on this, and YES, it was probably made up or fed to him by somebody with a grudge.


    Think for yourself, and put aside your HATE for ONE second. Everybody on the team says nobody worked harder than Hassan all year, and the guy went from a disaster at the free throw line to RELIABLE in the span of one year. He also added a jump shot. he also began to pass better by seasons end.

    You really think he didn't WORK to improve all that?
     
  14. dolfan32323

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    Of course there's that risk. The contracts are definitely large, but I think both players, especially Crabbe, have a lot of promise. I'm still having a hard time contextualizing what a player is worth with the new contracts being thrown around.
     
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  15. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Interesting difference in approach, lol.

    [video=twitter;751418029615886337]https://twitter.com/alfonsohoops/status/751418029615886337[/video]
     
  16. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Again....

    The Heat told free agents that Bosh would play next season.

    THINK.

    He plays..he is a 21 and 8 guy in his sleep. One of the best PF's in all of the NBA, and an elite defender. PERIOD.

    You want his cap space, or you want that MEGA ASSET? It's good either way.
     
  17. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Ethan made it sound like Bosh isn't playing next season.
     
  18. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Brian Windhorst says if the Heat don't match Tyler Johnson's offer sheet that will signal to the rest of the league that they're re-building which means Goran Dragic will be traded.
     
  19. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't see why they would trade Dragic. You want to have good players on your team to recruit other good players to your team unless Riley plans on building another Big 3 with Russ, Griffin, and Greek Freak.

    IMO not matching on TJ is good business, and I'd actually think keeping him would be closer to rebuilding than letting him go. He's not a guy that is taking you to the playoffs next year. IF he pans out, it's probably more of a long term thing.
     
  20. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    ????

    If they were rebuilding....wouldn't they match TJ's offer sheet to retain the asset, and then trade him in a package?

    Windy is bad at this pundit/speculation game.
     
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  21. #1 fan

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    I don't see the obsession with TJ. The guy is simply not worth that contract, especially the end of it. Doesn't mean the Heat are rebuilding; it means they're not as stupid as the Nets.
     
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  22. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I can justify it either way. Match, or don't. Doesn;t matter much. If it's me? I want the asset.
     
  23. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    By the way, the Heat don't have to have a high pick, or even be a lottery team to get a very good player in next year's draft. To put into perspective how good this upcoming draft class could be:

     
  24. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Oh, I want the asset! But I don't think that asset will be able to play. I personally believe he will end up with the same problem again and again costing us a chance at building a competitive team in the next few seasons.
     
  25. Serpico Jones

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    Heat are negotiating to bring back Udonis Haslem according to Ira Winderman.
     
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  26. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    That line at Dolphin Mall for the Miami Heat store was insane... They had 3 or 4 security officers, line stretched outside to the entrance of the mall, they were letting ppl in 10-15 at a time.. lots of Heat fans, all dressed in heat gear trying to buy the last pieces of wade merchandise. Some camped since 6 am lol

    Store soldout quickly


    When lebron left i didnt see this frenzy for his clearance sale
     
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  27. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    I live down the street from Dolphin Mall, I should've gone.
     
  28. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Probably people lining up to burn his jersey, right?
     
  29. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Welp, looks like I'm a Heat fan. Or do I have to type it HEAT, now?

     
  30. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Dion Waiters taking over for Dwyane Wade...Pat Riley has officially lost his mind if he reciprocates interest.
     
  31. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What's really funny (or not so funny, actually) is, I doubt the national media will say one thing about the fact that there was a line out the door and through the mall, and the online store was sold out of everything by noon for a player that left the team on his own accord. No, they won't do this because it doesn't fit with the utter bull**** narrative that Miami fans are the worst. Instead Sportscenter will air the video of a Cavs fan pretending to be a Heat fan burning his jersey and talk ad nauseam about (the incredibly exaggerated incident) when "so many" fans left game 6.
     
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  32. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    The roster has to be filled out somehow. I expect Dion or Evans to be on the roster on a 1-2 year deal.
     
  33. Section126

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    They sign him, I will change the channel everytime he checks in.

    When I am at the game, I'll go take a Piss break.
     
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  34. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Yep. It's all part of Cavs' fans' secret mission. But this is only the tip. Cavs fans actually lured Heat fans out of that gymnasium in game 6 and when they realized it and wanted to get back in, Cavs fans had locked the doors. Before that? They stole the draft card from Pat Riley and wrote "Michael Beasley" on it. That was a good one. Still mad about the time Cavs fans weren't able to shoot Camarillo with a stun gun to stop him from scoring that TD in the 1-15 season - but there was a malfunction on the satellite we installed when we faked the moon landing.

    Just kidding, dude. Every fan base has idiots. And the media is going to find them every single time.
     
  35. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Heat Nation is strong in all parts of Miami which is divided into areas like Miami Beach, Coral Gables, kendall, brickell, doral.. And you can never forget the really rough areas like North Miami, Hialeah, Richmond Heights, Carol City, Overtown... Those rural areas have a ton of Heat fans that usually cant afford a ticket to go to a game, but they show up strong and prideful in the parades and celebrating on the streets.

    Let them talk though, Dwyane Wade has transformed this city from football to basketball town and Heat Nation grew and will remain strong because of him.
     
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  36. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    I love him so much. When the Cavs were just awful and had so little to cheer for he was the perfect guy to make them wildly interesting.

    He also ranks with Ted Ginn as "guy I spent significant portions of my life defending online who made me look really really really dumb."
     
  37. sports24/7

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    Oh, that wasn't a knock on the Cavs fans, it was a knock on ESPN for not realizing it wasn't a Heat fan and portraying it like it was. It goes with the narrative that Heat fans are awful.
     
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  38. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't you rather have JR Smith than Waiters?
     
  39. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd rather have whichever one will take a 1-year deal.
     
  40. Section126

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    Heat sign Derrick Williams. 1 year $5mil
     
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