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2016 MLB Season Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Vertical Limit, Mar 31, 2016.

  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fun piece of trivia...who is the only player to ever be traded while leading the league in rbi?


















    Jay Bruce
     
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  2. RoninFin4

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    What are your thoughts on Herrera?
     
  3. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I think the teamthat really struck out are the Indians.
     
  4. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    They got the most desirable RP on the market. I'd have much rather the Cubs traded for Miller (giving up the same prospects) than for Chapman.
     
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  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Still think a guy like Lucroy would have put them over the top. I really like what the Rangers were able to do before the deadline.
     
  6. Boik14

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    I'm torn. On one hand he's 22. On the other he looked overmatched last year and despite the mets having like a dozen guys on the DL and Neil Walker having a 606 ops from June 4 til yesterday, Herrera was never recalled by the mets, partially because he's being outperformed by another middle infielder, Gavin Cechinni, at his level and Amed Rosario below him. He could end up being a poor mans Altuve as he does put the ball in play and have good speed and developing gap power but he's also not as fast or as powerful as Altuve. I'm thrilled the mets gave up Dilson instead of Nimmo. That I can say for certain. Some mets fans feel Nimmo is a 4th OF...I see a 5 tool player though who at worst is a 4th OF and at best he becomes a Lorenzo Cain type player.
     
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  7. Boik14

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    Texas needed an arm. They're going the old Rangers route trying to win games 11-8
     
  8. Boik14

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    Deadline winners:
    Yankees - Reloaded a top heavy farm system. By top heavy I mean they had their top few guys and a huge gap. They added, needed depth. Along with the Sox, Phillies, LAD, and a few others they're now one of the top farm systems.
    Giants - Added Nunez and Moore. Great moves.

    Did well but wanted more....
    Mets - Got a great rbi guy who hits with risp. Mets hitting 202 as a team, that's the lowest since the 69 Padres this late in the year. They needed Lucroy too.
    Texas - they needed 2 stud arms not 2 stud bats. But they did well getting lucroy Beltran and Jeffress.

    Losers...
    Indians - Lucroy
    Toronto - Liriano can be good but they needed 2 arms. And now they're relying on a guy who's pitched horribly this year
     
  9. Vertical Limit

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    Salazar just got wrecked by the twins. Pitched 4 innings last game, wasnt able to get a single out in the third inning today before getting pulled out of the game.
     
  10. Vertical Limit

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    I mean salazar is their second oitcher behind Kluber.. A guy like Lucroy wouldve benefited them both greatly..
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    Surprising that you guys are killing Cleveland for not getting Lucroy. Not their fault he vetoed the deal and I don't blame them for not declining his option so he would be a FA after the year.

    I think Baltimore should be put up as one of the losers at the deadline, they needed SPing badly and all they could get was Miley.
     
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  12. Boik14

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    True but cleveland disnt rebound by doing anything except acquire a very good reliever. They still needed a C with Gomes out for a while.
     
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  13. RoninFin4

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    Thanks Boik. Matches up well with what I've heard tonight on Reds sports talk. Seems like the long-term plan is for Herrera to be the 2B of the future as the Reds plan to develop Peraza at SS and Saurez at 3B. They said Herrera's got some pop in his bat - think the launching pad that is Great American Ballpark becomes more of an advantage for him? I know Citi Field is pretty spacious compared to GABP.
     
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  14. RoninFin4

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    Champan's fool's gold. Lots of crazy stuff related to him off the field. His wife/gf was kidnapped and held hostage for 20 some hours in either Cuba or Puerto Rico back when he was a Red...or so that story goes. He'll get a speeding ticket or two driving around Chicago. Has two Lambo's, one with 105 and the other with 106 on the plates. He used to hang out with Pacman Jones in Cincinnati when Pacman was more heavily into doing Pacman things.
     
  15. Boik14

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    I think trying to get Dilson to become a power hitter is a mistake. His best spot in the lineup is really as lead off or 2 hitter, more in a table setter position. If he pans out he's going to, IMO, top out at something like 10-15 hrs and 15-20 sb.
     
  16. Unlucky 13

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    I agree. Thats why I wanted Miller instead, but whats done it done. Just need Chapman to do the job for a few more months.
     
  17. Ray Finkle

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    What other catchers were available that they should have went after that would have made a difference?
     
  18. Boik14

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    Derek Norris is having a bad year but he was pretty good the year before. Plus get him out of the NL, guy wears out my Mets. Could also have made a move for someone like Carlos Ruiz.
     
  19. RoninFin4

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    Gotcha. I could see that very well being the case if he pans out for the Reds. They seem to have a solid 3-4-5 moving forward with Votto, Duvall and [hopefully] Saurez.
     
  20. Boik14

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    I just hope Bruce continues to play like he has this year instead of the 13 or 14 versions.
     
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  21. texanphinatic

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    Surprised nobody mentioned the flop by the Astros. They have a high ranking farm system, but did nothing to improve. They are in WC contention, and with the Rangers starting pitching lately, had an outside shot at the division. Letting the Rangers improve while they stay the same was not a good deal for them.

    Jays made some moves, but not enough I think.

    Also a little suspect on what the Marlins did. Cashner is just not that good.

    And lastly, as much as the Sox want to win one for Papi, I am a little surprised they didn't pony up for an Archer/Sale/Quintana. Price has been shaky (for him) this year, and who knows how a knuckler will do over the long haul. Not sure I trust that staff over a full playoff run.
     
  22. Vertical Limit

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    Marlins replacing Urena with Cashner.. Cashner is definitely an upgrade.

    Regardless, I don't expect the Marlins to sniff the postseason nor the 1 game wildcard. Their pitching just isn't good enough outside of Jose Fernandez. Chen and Adam Conley on their best days are a 4th guy on the rotation.

    Jose Fernandez, the kid has great stuff, but he gets hit on. Lots of games lately have gone Over on games he plays. Teams are getting struck out at a nice rate, but theyre also hitting runs off him too. 15 earned runs the past 5 games for Jose Fernandez. That's not what you expect from an elite pitcher with his talent.
     
  23. Unlucky 13

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    Not sure of it, but the Astros may have payroll constrictions. Their current payroll is a lot smaller even than the Royals or Mariners, let alone the big boys. And they have next to nothing commited to 2017.
     
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  24. Boik14

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    Sometimes not making a move is the best move. The astros operate as a small market team. If anything they probably needed an arm...which impact arms were out there that were affordable? Unless it was a guy like Chris Sale i wouldnt gut my farm to win now either.
     
  25. Vertical Limit

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    The Marlins simply have to start spending money. The median number is 110 million, right now theyre at 85 million. 25 million investment to upgrade your pitching staff would do a lot for this team. But it's Loria.

    If I'm him I'd try it at least once, you're going to lose Jose in 2018 anyways, go for it next year and see if you can make a run, then firesale again.
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    Eh. Doubt either of those guys would make them better.
     
  27. RoninFin4

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    I suspect he will. He's handled the past year very well amidst all of the trade talks. Mets (twice), Blue Jays and the Orioles have all made runs at him. He's also got a very good arm in RF. His range isn't great, but he rarely takes bad paths to the ball. IIRC, he did play some CF a few years ago in a pinch. I think he'll be glad to play for a contender and to finally have all the rumors officially be over.
     
  28. texanphinatic

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    Was a steep price to pay imo from a depleted system. I don't see Cashner as the missing piece they needed, especially now that they had to give back Rea. I think they should have held off, though with Loria who the **** knows what they will do.

    They are deep enough that they wouldn't be gutted. But they could have ponied up for a mid-tier guy like Odorizzi or Hellickson perhaps if they weren't willing to nab a Sale. They just didn't do much of anything, it is leaving a sour taste in their fans coupled with their getting swept by the Tigers - makes it seem like they are not really trying. I suppose they are going slow but steady, but that doesn't guarantee anything either.

    They aren't really operating as a small market team or constricted in pay anymore either - they only did that while clearing out the last wave of old and bloated contracts and restocking the farm. They went for a clean and full rebuild and restock and intentionally kept things as low as possible. They have plenty of money to play with now however. The future has arrived for them, as it has for the Cubbies. Whereas the Cubs are making moves to improve (dating into the offseason with guys like Zobrist/Heyward) the Astros are kind of standing pat. They have a very good core with dudes like Altuve, Correa and Springer, but they have some big needs too.
     
  29. Boik14

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    Quick, whose te back up to Yan Gomes. Thats whose catching the next few weeks. And Norris has been better offensively then Gomes in years past
     
  30. Boik14

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    Yeah im happy to have a good arm in rf so now teams cant automatically go 1st to 3rd cause of grandersons awful arm.
     
  31. Boik14

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    They have mid tier guys. They needed an ace cause Keuchel hasnt been that guy this year.
     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    Neither Gomes or Derek Norris are very good offensive catchers. Gomes has the big advantage defensively. Again I question how much better Norris makes the Indians. He's slugging .359 with a .252 OBP, not sure what's so exciting about that. Cleveland has a smart FO they probably value Perez and Gomes defense over a slight edge offensively.
     
  33. Boik14

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    Thats a mute point when Gomes is out the next 4 to 8 weeks. And with a sprained AC joint thats a bad injury for a catcher and can easily take longer.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    I meant to put in Perez there not Gomes. My mistake. Point remains the same though, Cleveland probably value defense behind the plate more than a small offensive upgrade. Norris or Ruiz aren't going to be the difference makers.
     
  35. LiferYank

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    Thoughts on August Waiver Claims?

    I think there is a good chance Gardner and McCann are traded.
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    No real thoughts. Anyone with a big contract is fair game to be moved. I could see Gardner being moved but not sure McCann will unless the Yankees eat a lot of that contract.
     
  37. texanphinatic

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    Puig seems a possibility if anyone wants to take a flyer. I can see teams like the Rangers, BoSox, etc still talking pitching as well, but really hard to make a prediction at this point.
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    He would have no place to play in Boston. I wouldn't be surprised to see a team like TB giving him a shot. He's such a weird player production wise with a lot of baggage, he might not be worth the head aches.
     
  39. Vertical Limit

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    Highly doubt Mattingly is interested in Puig... but I'm sure the Marlins will ask Mattingly about him anyways.

    I think Puig should go back to the great life he had in Cuba. Obviously he has it so terrible playing in the major leagues in a country that has privileged him with human rights.
     
  40. Unlucky 13

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    On June 19th, the Cubs were 47-20 after a 3 game sweep of the Pirates. Virtually everything was going right in all aspects of the game for them, and they were on pace to challenge the all time single season wins record.

    Then the bottom fell out. Over the next 20 games, they went 5-15, which looks bad enough, and then when you realize that included a 3 game sweep of the Reds due mostly to Kris Bryant heroics and scoring 27 runs, its just putrid. During those 20 games, they had a 5.63 ERA, and hit just .170 with RISP. Everything was going wrong.

    Then, starting the game before the ASB, they're 14-6 in their last 20, and have almost climbed back to where they've gone .500 over their last 40. They aren't playing as well as they had to start the season, but their ERA has been 2.65 over the past 20, and they're hitting .255 with RISP in that span.

    Still, its frustrating to see them basically tread water for almost two months. Frankly, they're just plain lucky that the Cardinals have only gone 22-18 and the Pirates 20-17 in that span. Had either team really caught fire, the Cubs lead could ave been in big trouble.
     

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