Ryan Tannehill Tier 3 according to ESPN

Being Tier 3 doesn't seem like much of an insult. Other than Pennington, Miami hasn't had a quarterback that belonged in tier 3 since Marino.

I think Tannehill is between Tier 3 and Tier 2. He has carried the team sometimes.

 

Perhaps. But he and Ryan developed a nice chemistry year 2


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Jesus, your world is insane. In JDland, a person cannot change their mind. If you didn't want someone hired there's nothing they can do to change your mind and vice versa.

Oh ok, I see, my bad. I was giving you too much credit. I didn't realize you were playing that stupid of a card.

So, following your logic, you didn't think anyone that was acquired by ireland was good because you felt Ireland was bad...right?

Yeah, that feeling you got reading that.....that was hypocrite setting in.

 

I agree that right now, he's a 2.5. I disagree heavily about some of the QBs that ESPN ranked ahead of him, though. RT is a solid starter who, like almost any QB, needs his OL not to be complete crap and to have a coaching staff who knows what they're doing. I don't think that nearly enough people outside of those focusing on the Dolphins pay that heed.

 

I agree with your assessment. Firstly being tier-3 is not a terrible thing. He needs a lot of help like nearly all guys with his level of experience do. Secondly, I don't think these types of polls are in-depth studies on players as much as they are general surveys to see how one player is viewed through the lens of their competition. Keep in mind that no front office or coaching staff outside Miami is concerned with evaluating who Ryan Tannehill really is, rather opponents simply look at Ryan as the leader of Miami's passing attack. To me, this is as much a condemnation of that as it is Ryan, but it tells you a lot of the level of respect people have (or don't). It's a put up or shut up league, no doubt about it.

What this makes clear to me is that Miami's passing game is not seen much of a threat. If I'm some opposing GM, I'm probably not any more scared of Ryan Tannehill lighting me up than I am Teddy Bridgewater. To me, that makes sense. I don't think anybody wants to go on record as saying that Ryan Tannehill can't be part of a better and more capable team, but Miami just isn't a great offense right now. We know it's partly Tannehill, partly his O-line, partly his receivers, partly the lack of a running game, partly bad play-calling and partly bad leadership and planning from the coaches.

It's not one of those things. It's all of those things. Surveys like this can easily mislead. When the NFL disrespects one piece, its really a condemnation of everyone. As a whole, the offense has not performed well.

What bothers me is that right now, we're preparing ourselves for the reality that Ryan Tannehill and these receivers might very well be the best element of the team.

Why anyone would want to pull for a team that's leaning on Ryan Tannehill for wins I don't understand. To me, that's a recipe for disappointment.


If Gase indeed comes out with this O-line blocking hard and the game-plans seem to be built around Ajayi and Foster. I'll like that. I'll feel proud about that. Tannehill icing that cake I can appreciate.

What Joseph is going to be able to pull out of this defense I don't know. That is a very real concern and unfortunately it'll probably affect the W/L more than anything.

So, for you guys who are evaluating the QB based on wins and losses, I'm sorry. I just don't know what to tell you. Seems like it'll be a really crushing year for those with that perspective. This is a rebuilding team for sure.

 

Fiedler was tier 3.

 

The team thought Fiedler was tier 3. In reality, he was lucky to be a 4, and the team won in spite of him, not because of him. Comparing him to today's QBs, he was a Blaine Gabbert or Case Keenum. Whats worse, he thought he was much better than he was, and instead of just playing within himself and not making mistakes, he would try and be the hero, turning FGs into punts, and punts into turnovers.

 

The coaches and evaluators are obviously all idiots. ***snicker snicker***

 

I guess if you never realized Wallace was open deep in Miami back then, you won't now.

Not nearly as cut and dry as that, but it's a moot point.

Back to Tannehill is the next Aaron Rodgers on the podcast.


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Thing is, I think even his biggest of "supporters" would call him a 3.

A 3 with 2 potential sounds about right.


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Fiedler was closer to Tier 4.

 

Fiedler was on the very back end of 3. For a year or two.

Cam and Wilson will bump up after a few more years. Wilson before Newton. Newton has had one spectacular year. His completion % is still a little too low for me, his YPA was good however.

 

In the right offense Fiedler was tier 3.

In the offense Miami ran last season and the season before, he would be tier 4.

Fiedler needs a classic 80s/90s power running type football to succeed.

 

Then why does Wallace have more TDs with 70 fewer targets?

 

That's what I mean. He had a great defense in his first year or two starting here. Then Wannstedt'ness kicked in, and the team fell apart around him.

But slotting him in 3 or 2 or 4 based on the team around him is not what this exercise is about. You slot him in the tier, and that tier is what determines what needs to be around him. His years starting here, he was right in the middle regarding passer rating I believe. Just like Tanny

 

Utilizing your more stingy rules.

If that is the case, then he is a solid tier 4. I do not want him starting 16 games for me.

 

So, if that's the case, wouldn't that lead credence to argument that Tannehill performed the way he did persevere despite the coach(es) and FO?

 

So Tannehill is tier 4 then?

 

Not at all. Where did you get that?

 

Oh stop, I KNOW you have a sense of humor...I have the texts to prove it.

Tell me you love me.


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It calls into question them drafting a kid with hardly any college experience, or college excellence, as well. That's my point. If the whole thing is spoiled, the whole thing might be spoiled. He was a raw player, with a lot of physical talent. Well what happens when you project a raw player is, they might not fill that projection. It's already hard enough to project someone who dominated college into the NFL. Now you projected someone who didn't dominate college, into the NFL.

He might fill that projection ... or just might not.

 

From the words you wrote in your post that I quoted.

What do you think Tannhill needs to succeed? Or maybe you think he already has succeeded?

 

The same way Fiedler persevered despite wanny?

 

I don't think he needs a very specific offense that is not the norm in the NFL at the moment.

Tannehill > Fiedler. Fiedler can't even throw a quick out.

 

Blaine Gabbert would have done better than Fiedler.

 

In 2000 he was right in the middle re passer ratings. In 2001 he was slightly above average. He was an above-average runner, too. He was never really healthy after that.

We had a good D and fairly good running game, so he didn't have to do too much (but as some poster said, he tried to do too much anyway). But even when he was "healthy" his arm would die over the course of the season. As happened to CP in 2008.

Kind of shocking that Fiedler probably ranks second to Pennington in Fin QBs between Marino and Tannehill.

 

These are all arguments and concepts he's ignored for 3 years.

Good luck, man.

 

Fiedler also had a 1:1 touchdown to interception ratio.

 

As bad as Fiedler's stats were, he was subjectively much worse in reality also. He would often be bailed out by Chambers, McMichael, Ricky, Lamar Smith, ect. Plus the OL was much better back then than its been lately.

 

The catch radius argument is very overblown here. Anyone who thought he was THAT type of WR when he came here never watched him play in Pitt.

If a WR is open by 5 yards it should be a TD, period! Ryan was a bad deep ball passer with a WR that didn't have the physical ability to bail him out. They developed chemistry in other ways in 2014...and with Ryan working hard to improve his deep ball they would've been an even deadlier combo last season.

But hey, you had a coach who didn't have a clue how to handle men. And BOTH Ryan and Mike seemed to miss each other this past season.

 

What's really the case against Thill anyway?

- Didn't win enough games?
- Didn't put up good enough numbers?
- Chokes?

Ok, fine.

Someone, anyone, list for me the QBs that won enough games, put up good enough numbers and doesn't choke.....under the same circumstances.

If you can't do it, then you can't say Thill is guilty of these things. Otherwise you expect him to be the first QB in history to do those things under his circumstances.

 

It's funny he probably slotted higher in those two years, than Tanny has in terms of passer rating.

No I don't think Fiedler is better than Tanny. Just funny.

 

Shows how much football is a team game.

 

Fiedler was a solid backup. Tier 3 maybe fudging it a bit.

 

Replace Tannehill with Manning (in his prime), or Rodgers, or any elite QB and they would have won more games, put up better numbers and maybe not choked. Look at what happened to the Colts the year between Manning and Luck.

 

Not much better.

No QB not even them, can overcome a crap oline when they don't run the ball and can't audible. Its fact.`

 

We need a guy who can go 8-2 with disadvantages, a guy who can toss 27 TDs and 2 INT in 10 games.

We need NICK FOLES!

 

AROD and Manning transcend their surroundings, they are special QB's. How many OC's appeared "smart" while these 2 guys basically ran the offense? There isn't a team in the NFL Aaron Rodgers couldn't turn into a dangerous team.

But...these special QB's dont grow on trees like oranges...so its a moot point.

We have a QB who has the ability to play well within a system, lets hope the offense can turn it around because they frankly were *** last season.

 

Here's a visualization. Its football Outsiders passing offense ranking, which I find to be more useful in comparing QBs from different era's rather than stats like passer rating.

 

But that means he was open. Fast receivers running away isn't Ryan's forte (see Kenny Stills ... regarded as elite at tracking down deep balls in NO). Leaping, fighting for the ball WRs is (see Devante Parker)