Leaf's arm strength, along with QB's like Elway, Williams, Marino, Favre, Unitas, Bradshaw, and a few others were most definitely stronger than Peyton's. Peyton, however, had tremendous arm strength. It was much better than just "OK".
Compared to normal people, yes. Compared to other NFL quarterbacks it is o.k. In fact his arm is weak enough that there were people who had Leaf ahead of Manning in the draft
If arm strength were the only component, Kyle Boller would be preparing his HOF speech. http://dontdropthebaby.tumblr.com/post/3546034167/nfl-classic-combine-story-kyle-boller-quarterback Disclaimer: this is just a passing comment and not a veiled passive aggressive attack on any poster or their views. Basically, don't get your panties in a bunch and start a 20 page argument.
The best QB the Dolphins have had since Marino retired has been Pennington. He also had the weakest throwing arm of any QB on the roster since Marino retired. What he had was the football smarts to know where to throw the ball and when to get rid of it without taking a lot of sacks. It is just unfortunate that the Dolphins didn't get Pennington until he was at the end of his career and after he had suffered numerous injuries. I think Doughty compares more to a QB like Pennington than the stronger arm QB's in the league. I don't know if he will ever develop into a starting QB in the league but if the Dolphins start out badly this season, I would have no problem with Gase giving Doughty the opportunity to start and see how he develops over the latter part of the season.
This isn;'t directed at you specifically jw.... I was glad we had Penny when we did, but can we stop making it sound like he was the reason for our 11-5 season. The only 2 reasons we had a good year that year was the Wildcat and Brady being out. And we needed the Wildcat specifically because of Penny's deficiencies in the throwing department.
The "only 2"?? No way.. jw is right. Pennington was an important factor in leading us to that 11-5 record. Maybe we can stop making it sound like he wasn't at all a factor in that record/division win?
Chad Pennington having a 97 rating sure helped. I'd say there were more than 2 reasons. The easy schedule was another help. That's 4.
Go back. The offense was atrocious with him at the helm until we pulled out the Wildcat, which was only even feasible at that point because of Ronnie Brown.
Didn't say Wildcat wasn't an important factor. Let's just not assume Pennington had nothing to do with the final record. I doubt most QB's we've had since Marino would've performed as well as Pennington did that year even with the Wildcat.
They were up 7-0 and on the goalline before the first wildcat play was called against New England. Plus it was only two games. Another thing about that season was 6.9% of drives ended with a turnover, with only 13 turnovers all season.
The biggest reason the Dolphins won the division is because they had the fewest turnovers in the league BY FAR. Pennington was efficient but most importantly never made a mistake. In the NFL the talent level is so close that if you make the fewest mistakes you are going to do very well. There is a reason Chad Pennington in seasons he stayed healthy never missed the playoffs.
This statement sounds so funny even if true because that guy was almost NEVER healthy. I think since he took over from Testaverde, he was healthy only in 2002 and 2008? That's it right?
Sounds about right, I thought he made the playoffs twice with NYJ once with Miami but can't say for sure and too lazy to google.
Yeah, playoffs 4 years, 3 times with Jets: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennCh01.htm Looks like he played all 16 games in 2006 also and made the playoffs that year too. So 3 years out of 9 after taking the starting job without some injury lol.
Make fun of Mcpherson all you want, 109 rating with 190 something touchdowns on just 25 ints and something like 80 rushing touchdowns in the arena league are badass numbers VInce young wishes he had mcphersons career
Joey Porter was another reason for 2008, his 17 sacks didn't hurt, but his and Penne's leadership were a big reason we won a lot of close games
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-the-fallout-and-where-the-roster-stands.html • The Dolphins haven’t been inclined to keep a third quarterback on the 53-man roster to start the season in recent years, but rookie seventh-round pick Brandon Doughty is giving the Dolphins incentive to possibly reverse that pattern. His accuracy, quick mind and poise have impressed coach Adam Gase, who has final say on the 53-man roster. Doughty was 7 for 9 for 66 yards in the preseason opener against the Giants and “I saw a guy that was very comfortable,” Gase said. “I felt good calling plays for him. I didn’t have any concerns. I wasn’t sitting there [saying], ‘I can’t call this, I can’t call this.’ Watching him react to everything I called, it was like there was nothing that was bothering him. “He’d get hit, he’d bounce back up, look right at me. I love that part of him and then his progressions were really good. He was always in the right spot, which is good to see [because] it’s different in practice.” In fact, Gase said Doughty’s performance was atypical of a rookie. “I’ve been [around] a few times where it looks like, ‘Uh oh, what’s going to happen?’” Gase said. “He was good. He’s been in the shotgun a lot in his career. If there’s one thing that I would say he needs to really work on is just to make sure that he feels comfortable working under center.” And that’s not the only thing Gase likes about Doughty. "In this league, that window closes so fast,” Gase said. “As soon as you’re trying to evaluate whether that guy is open or not, he’s probably going to get covered by the time the ball gets there. With him having a great feel of the route concepts and turning the ball loose,… He’s done a great job as far as being that consistent in anticipation.” Gase said Doughty’s next step is “controlling everybody,” correcting mistakes and correcting mental errors by others.. The Dolphins could put Doughty on the practice squad unless they believe another team would claim him and put him on their 53-man roster. “I have a chip on my shoulder; my talents are a little better than a seventh round pick,” Doughty said Wednesday. “I’m excited to prove everybody wrong.”
Yes it was on ESPN, some all star challenge of something like that. The announcers were all lathered up talking about Cardele and his great arm and how they couldn't wait to see him throw. Doughty out threw him and Cody Kessler. Doughty was barely even mentioned until of course he won lol http://www.wbko.com/content/sports/...at-all-star-football-challenge-367438251.html http://www.kyforward.com/former-wku-record-setting-quarterback-doughty-in-all-star-football-challenge-on-espn2/ some really good NFL QB's have won that challenge.
Wow, that's some solid praise. And the fact he is happy enough with his QB'ng to say the next step is to be a commander on the field is telling as well. Gase likes this kid a lot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That is what I am hoping, it sure sounds like it. I would expect that kind of talk about a 1st round pick, it is really nice that Gase is seeing some very positive things.
First off that's not true. The distance throw was used as a tie-breaker between Doughty and Cody Kessler. Doughty out-threw Kessler. Cardale came in behind Doughty and Kessler in the accuracy challenge so he didn't take part in the tie-breaker. Second, as I've said, arm strength is not about distance throw. You may think that's the definition of arm strength but it is most definitely NOT.
Unfortunately no. I would be mildly impressed if it were true since Cardale has such ridiculous velocity on his throws. But it's not true. Cardale didn't do the distance throw. Doughty and Kessler did the distance throw as a tiebreak because they both ended the accuracy challenge with 226 points. Cardale had like 188 points so he didn't do the tiebreak. If he did I'm pretty sure he would've out-thrown them, not that it matters that much to the arm strength argument.
He was playing for some indoor league in Northern Kentucky a few years back; not sure if he's still there. Some team called the River Monsters.
that dude was seriously athletic. was really amazing someone his size could do the things he did in all sports. he broke his ankle in that league.
He absolutley did the throw, that was part of getting the points and he did horrible. Again the announcers were all disappointed he threw so badly.
“He’d get hit, he’d bounce back up, look right at me. I love that part of him and then his progressions were really good. He was always in the right spot, which is good to see [because] it’s different in practice.” This was interesting because some earlier quotes from Gase seemed to elude to him not going through his progressions correctly in practice or something similar so obviously he's getting better and impressing the staff. We will see more this week. I'd like to see him get in the first half and see what he's got.
