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Wilson Credited but OL unsung heroes - A look at OL play

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 26, 2016.

  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    The hate for Russell Wilson generally comes from the guys who do nothing but make excuses for Ryan.

    It's no accident...


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  2. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Clearly you disagree with a lot of what's being said. Maybe you can move past that and share your opinion?
     
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  3. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Nick Foles wants to have a word with you. Matt Cassell too. Throw in Chad Pennington while you're at it.
     
  4. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    It's not a hate for Wilson it's an appreciation for the other players on that TEAM.
     
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  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I fully believe, if not for injuries, Chad Pennington would have been a hall of fame quarterback.
     
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  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    instead of dismissing the accomplishments of a great player you might wanna watch the games, or better yet, watch the games in isolation...

    You do realize your arguing that Wilson is overrated p..which is fu##in ridiculous at this point.
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    wow, smart guy yet clueless in this instance.
     
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  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    read and learn.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    all those guys have good to excellent escapability talent..
     
  10. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So which of the OL or WR or TE on that team that you appreciate for that stellar passing offense
     
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  11. jdang307

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    This. He looked like a lost cause before 2015. I like Newton but this is his first great year as a passer and it relied heavily on deep passes. His YPA combined with his low completion percentage reveals that. If he can sustain that, great. But we need more than just one year to anoint him.
     
  12. Pauly

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    I think he'd be in the Brian Griese/Ken Stabler type of consideration. Very good, but he'd need a SB ring or two to make it into the HoF
     
  13. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    "All elite QBs have great stats" /= "all QBs with great stats are elite."
     
  14. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Basically all QBs on winning teams are overrated, perception wise. QBs get to much credit and too much blame, that's not an assessment of any one one player it's a general observation.

    Im still waiting for you to give your thoughts on how Seattle's OL played vs Dallas, since that was the topic. Throw in the Vikings game too if you can. What's ridiculous is that you come in here picking fights with people about Wilson when he wasn't even the topic. What's funny is you haven't even watched him play the last two weeks, even though Miami opens the season in Seattle.

    I thought you were better than that.
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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    None of these QBs have great stats over expanding sample sizes.

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  16. Stringer Bell

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    Uh, you may want to re-think how you have laid out this argument.


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  17. Fin-O

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    And Qbs with NON winning records are allowed to blame everything under the sun..

    Sea OL vs Dallas is the topic, but that PRESEASON GAME is being used to make some ridiculous non existent generalization about Wilson overall. The guy has had 4 years to show you and everyone else what he is capable of and really needs no justification on his play. He's PROVEN.

    I would love nothing more for Miami to go up in Sea and beat the Hawks week 1. First reason is Im a Dolphins fan, second reason is the idiots gonna idiot hard in this thread and others. Will be fun too watch.
     
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  18. Piston Honda

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    I appreciate that they run the ball very well, creating favorable conditions/coverages, which leads to high success rates/efficiency for their average passing game.

    Stellar passing games can be found New England, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Arizona, Denver prior to 2015.

    Turn on the tape. Tell me what team comes into a game vs Seattle with their primary focus on stopping the pass?
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    Why do you think Seattle has such a good running game? They've cycled through plenty of RBs and OL. What has been the common thread? (not a trick question)
     
  20. Piston Honda

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    It's the same deal with Tannehill, no? You make a reasonable critique of his play but some people react as if you're bashing him.

    For Miami to beat Seattle Tannehill will have to play his *** off, get in touch with his inner Aaron Rodgers. For Seattle to beat Miami, Wilson just needs to not screw up. I'll be surprised if the Dolphins can even keep it close for 4 quarters.
     
  21. Finster

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    This comment doesn't make any sense, if you want to refute my comment, you have to provide evidence that there are great QBs that don't have great stats.

    Listing 2 flash in the pan QBs and an injury riddled QB proves nothing.
     
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  22. Piston Honda

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    If you're implying that Wilson is an asset in the run game I agree 100%. However I think it's their willingness to keep running, they seem to always have a back or two that runs hard, an OL that opens holes, a defense that keeps them in games, a coaching staff committed to staying balanced. It's a TEAM effort. Seattle is just really, really good.
     
  23. Piston Honda

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    I'm giving you non elite QBs who put up elite type stats because they were playing in conditions that were abnormally conducive to their success.
     
  24. Finster

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    You listed 2 QBs that had flash in the pan years, and another QB that does have a decent rating that wasn't in ideal situations but was injury prone.
     
  25. Piston Honda

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    Did Foles and Cassel have flash in the pan years because they had flash in the pan good conditions around them? Or did they become really good for one season and then forget how to play?
     
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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Commitment, and getting good OL and good RBs. Marshawn Lynch was good pre-Wilson.
     
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  27. Piston Honda

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    Marshawn Lynch was tremendous. Then he goes down and Thomas Rawls steps in and runs for 5.6 YPC, tops in the league.
     
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  28. Stringer Bell

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    Their OL isnt good. Every RB they've put back there has looked good.

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  29. dolphin25

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    Their defense had 6 games last year were they gave up 27 or more points in a game. Their last 8 games the offense scored 32, 29, 39, 38, 35, 30, 17, 36. So it is "easier" to play defense when your team is putting up those kinds of scores.
     
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  30. dolphin25

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    The point is they are not considered great because they only had 1 good year.
     
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  31. Fin D

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    Effective running isn't as important has committing to the run.
     
  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They were when they had Shawn Alexander

    EDIT: And their OL were good at run blocking
     
  33. adamprez2003

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    the defense of Wilson comes from the same five posters who have all bashed tannehill for four straight years. We get it. You guys like the running qbs. RG III failed you, kaepernick failed you and now you're holding onto with dear life the only running QB who might bail you out of being 100% wrong. You love the guy so much you're willing to hijack threads that have nothing to do with Wilson on a miami dolphins forum and continue to **** yourselves telling each other how great he is. If you wanna do that take it Other NFL forum or a Seahawks fan site and leave the dolphins forums about dolphins players
     
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  34. adamprez2003

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    The best roster, when you exclude QB for the Las four years in the NFL. If they had ten other qbs they would have two or three rings and we would be talking about them the way people talk about the 80s 49ers and the 70s Steelers
     
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  35. adamprez2003

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    They have the best OL coach in the game bar none. Their ol has been good
     
  36. Stringer Bell

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    Then why are they paying their QB 50% more than anyone else?

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  37. Piston Honda

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    Agreed. The other point is that under the right conditions any decent QB can put up those types of numbers.
     
  38. Piston Honda

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    Must have been Matt Hasselbeck making Alexander look good LOL.
     
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  39. Piston Honda

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    In addition to the things you mentioned about the NFL and QBs, Wilson is a top 10 QB, wildly popular and exciting to watch, he puts fans in the seats ($$$) , and if Seattle didn't pay him someone else would have.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    How many other QBs have put up similar numbers over a similar sample size???

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