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Colin Kaepernick controversy

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  1. ckparrothead

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    I don't think that's true at all. Every discussion of Kaepernick's action has taken account of the "why".
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Wow. Just wow.
     
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  3. Finster

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    The problem with this is that he is protesting the symbol of America, which represents freedom, the country that has a black president, the country that gives him the ability to be a millionaire for playing a sport, when it's individuals that are responsible, not the country, so he's selfishly using the country as scape goat for the actions of individuals.

    It's pathetically misguided.
     
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  4. ckparrothead

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    That is just plain false.

    Perhaps you meant legal racism doesn't exist anymore? As in, Jim Crow, segregation, etc? I know those two things can be confused sometimes. A perfect example of systematic racism (as opposed to legal racism e.g. segregation) would be mortgage redlining which is not something that is in the distant past.
     
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  5. Finster

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    Really? Why don't you go ahead and list the racist policies of America, i'll wait.
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is still only a symbol.
     
  7. LiferYank

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    Being against "Whiteness" has nothing to do with Civil Rights.. Its the height of dishonesty to suggest it.
     
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  8. NCPhinFan

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    What rights do people of color not have that white people have?
     
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  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The fact that you think it is being against "whiteness" proves my point.

    Because they said the same thing during MLK's time.
     
  10. phinswolverinesrockets

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    That's the whole point of the protest. If people want to make this about him somehow disrespecting the military, that is their problem. He specifically told everyone why he's doing it. People want to deflect from the real issue and push some make-believe agenda...as usual.
     
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  11. ckparrothead

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    I think you're confusing legal racism with systematic racism.

    Yes, it is true that MOST racist laws are now a thing of the past. Although some persist. And more keep popping up, and are correctly dismissed by the courts.

    That doesn't mean systematic racism is gone. It persists. Very strongly as a matter of fact.
     
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  12. NCPhinFan

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    Such as?
     
  13. Finster

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    Yeah, as in a physical representation of the ideals of the country.

    Your comment makes zero sense.
     
  14. Ronnie Bass

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    You know, I keep hearing how people say we need to discuss race, but what I've seen is most people just want to tell you if you don't agree with him, you're being racist. Just like if you disagree with Obama you're racist. This is why we are not in a good spot when it comes to race, no one wants to discuss it, they just want to bully you with it.

    If people REALLY wanted to have a honest discussion about race, then some need to refrain from labeling anyone whose honest opinion might not sit well with them.
     
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  15. jdang307

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    And then it focuses on his right to stand or not. Flag. Anthem. Slavery 3rd verse of the anthem. His upbringing. It glosses Over the why pretty quickly.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    Voter identification laws are a great example. These voter ID laws are generally crafted such that people of color are far more likely to be affected than whites, and the ID laws themselves do not actually address a problem that has any evidence. This has led to the courts striking down quite a few of them as having been clearly written with the intention of preventing people of color from voting.
     
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  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Or maybe people just misinterpret their meanings and think just because they disagree with Obama that they are being called racist.

    Too many people shut down and become defensive when being called racist and do not actually look within or even ask why they are being called racist.

    It is amazing to me how white people can make themselves the victim when discussing racial issues.
     
  18. jdang307

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    Agreed here. It's more subtle, but it's inherent.
     
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  19. Rick 1966

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    No, the point would be standing AGAINST inequality. Of course, he's not actually standing, so I guess you'd have to say he's sitting against inequality.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    From there exists more discussion.

    It has been crazy effective.

    Too effective really. For such a small act that does nothing and hurts nobody.
     
  21. jdang307

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    Do you follow the news? BLM has been the topic since Ferguson Etc. This did nothing to advance that discussion. This is all about Kaep.
     
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  22. ckparrothead

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    I really don't think so at all. Maybe that's your perception but your reality on this doesn't even come close to the constant stream of tweets, news articles, facebook posts and forum discussions I've seen on the topic. I mean, I now know that there was a verse in the original Star Spangled Banner that celebrated the execution of runaway slaves, and that Francis Scott Key was a slaver who believed blacks to be "the greatest evil that afflicts a community". Would we know about the SFPD's racist texts and bad history if not for this? I doubt it.
     
  23. NCPhinFan

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    Okay, so a judge rules that "voter ID laws" are oppressive to minorities. White people have to make the same effort to get an ID that people of color would, and the overturning of that law on the basis of it being racist seems to insinuate that people of color aren't capable of getting IDs for themselves. Wait, wouldn't that be racist? That seems awfully demeaning to minorities.
     
  24. Ronnie Bass

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    Just because one is called racist don't mean they're racist.

    Case in point right here, I shared an opinion and you immediately anoint me as playing the victim card.
     
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  25. Rick 1966

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    No, he's basically right. Every time someone says anything about Obama's policies, they're attacked and accused of hating him for racial reasons. It's become mainstream to do so. Anytime anyone says they don't support the legalization of people who entered the country illegally, breaking the law, they're accused of being racist against Hispanics. It's become mainstream to do so. Which is ludicrous if you know Hispanics who came here legally---they HATE illegal immigrants because they're cheating, not going through the work the legal immigrants had to do to become citizens. My mother in law came here from Costa Rica and it took her decades to get her citizenship.
    These are just a couple of examples of what has become basically a common tactic among progressives in this country. If you disagree with them, they imply that your motives are racist, just like you did in your post.
     
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  26. jdang307

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    We agree to disagree. This has all been about Kaep IMO
     
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    It is demeaning to minorities. It's an example of the patronizing way liberals in this country treat minorities. They are no friend of the minority, they just pander to them to get their vote. Northeastern liberals in particular that I have met are among the worst racists I've ever met.
     
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  28. Fin-O

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    Is it race or is it your economic status? Would joe bob in Grinich, Kentucky get treated any different? Nope.
     
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  29. ckparrothead

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    This is an overly simplistic and entirely inaccurate view of the complications that make voter ID laws racist in nature. You seem to be under the impression that it's just about "trying" or filling out a slip of paper which evidently is beyond people of color. It's not. It's about specific forms of identification and documents that black people are far less likely to even be in possession of than white people, it's about distances black people are forced to travel in order to go to the offices they need to go to in order to fill out the paperwork, the lopsided amounts of time and bureaucratic red tape they are forced to deal with, etc.

    I think you need to step back and inform yourself before you proceed on this.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am also sharing an opinion. So many times I have seen people make themselves the victim of other people. Men do it all the time when discussing women's issues.
     
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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I have not seen that at all.
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    Actually there are many statistics and examples that show that, yes, Joe Bob in Grinich can expect to be treated differently in several ways. Including by the police, which is at the heart of this Kaepernick matter.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They also closed DMV offices in black neighborhoods and made some of them only open a few times a month, making it super inconvient.

    Plus the whole, figuring out that black neighborhoods tend to take advantage of early voting, thus getting rid of early voting.

    As some examples.
     
  34. Samphin

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    If Kaepernick had thrown 30 TD's last season instead of 6, people wouldn't care about this. OR at least, people would be more apt to excuse his actions as opposed to calling the guy a traitor.

    Face it, we want our sports people to be GOOD AT SPORTS...everything else doesn't really matter until said sports person is no longer GOOD AT SPORTS...then it gets highlighted.
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am having a lot of discussions personally, that are not about Kaep. I have seen a lot of things brought up that are not about Kaep.
     
  36. LiferYank

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    There are daily articles concerning "Whiteness"... It doesnt fit your current agenda considering the topic so you ignore it.
     
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  37. brandon27

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    I'm not an American... However... my thoughts on this are as follows. His reasoning for taking on the protest position, is 100% justified, correct, whatever you want to call it. I have no issues with it, I applaud him for trying to use his position, and platform as a professional athlete, or "celebrity status" to raise awareness for a very real, serious issue. I however don't agree with his position to protest, by disrespecting the national anthem and the country itself as a result. While he may not presently be a top tier QB, or even a starting QB in this league, people know who he is. There's other way he's could have gone about raising awareness for the issue without upsetting so many people, especially those who have fought for the freedoms he's presently enjoying as an American citizen.
     
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    I can't speak for different states, but all you would need under the North Carolina version is a photo ID, in which case a number of things would be acceptable to show. If having to produce a photo ID to vote is racist, is having to produce one to buy alcohol or tobacco racist as well?
     
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  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I can say the same about you about black oppression. People tend to notice things that concern them.

    Since I have heard the BLM talking points all my life. People act like this is something new. It is the same stuff since the civil rights movement.
     
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    Yes to much *side* taking..



    Harrison thought Collin was White. He was bothered Collin would speak about how POC have it. Soon as he found out he was mixed it was fine and dandy heck he apologized.

    Implication being if you are White its wrong to discuss it period.
     
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