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4 things that cost us the game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GISH, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Devante Parker, we need you back ASAP.
     
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  2. Phinz13

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    Kenny Stills....unpatriotic karma bit him in the ***
     
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  3. Shane Falco

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    Hey! Welcome back! I know you!
     
  4. FishFan918

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    #1 should be stills drop. #2 coaching. 4th an inches should have been a qb sneak. There was a big hole between Steen and the left gaurd. Tanne should've seen this and called an audible. Also with Wilson being immobile on the last drive I would've liked to seen a couple blitzes. Instead we rushed four the whole drive and let him pick apart our soft zone defense. And the use of timeouts at the end was awful.
     
  5. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Well, Fouts said it was the right call. Shouldn't that be conformation enough for anybody? ;-)


    sheesh, I can't stand that guy!
     
  6. Big Phin

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    There were some things in the 4th quarter I liked. I would like to see how this team goes as the season progresses. Yes, we made way too many mistakes on the road to pull out a win, especially in Seattle, but maybe this team can start to eliminate some of those mistakes. Hey, this weekend would be a good start in doing just that. :up:
     
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  7. shamegame13

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    Im not saying Tannehill was even close to the reason we lost the game (Stills, im staring at you buddy), but Tannehill has more built-in excuses for his shortcomings by his diehards then a lazy high school dropout.
     
  8. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Nobody blamed Thill for that Stills drop. Not even on Facebook.

    We know what your comment was meant for and congrats ........ your mission was clearly successful.
     
  9. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I definitely saw a thread blaming the QB for underthrowing that ball on another site.
     
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  10. Shane Falco

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    I saw it at least a half dozen times here lol
     
  11. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Biggest reason we lost that game outside of Stills being worthless is the 3rd down offense. Until we get a QB whethwr thats Thill suddenly changing or Gase changing him or bringing in a new QB who doesnt so willingly accept a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 8 then we will forever be mediocre at best. You cant win in this league if you cant convert on 3rd down. When its an automatic punt on 3rd and 6+ youre in a lot of trouble. Being a Dolphins fan the last 4 yrs has been like watching a team play with 2 downs. Any 3rd and 10 and you might as well ****ing punt. I used to love 3rd and 10s with Marino. You expected a big pass. With thill you expect the rb or Landry to catch a horizontal pass and gain 3 yards...if they make somebody miss maybe 5. The dumbest thing a D can do to Miami is blitz on 3rd down or lose track of the safety valve ala Foster on the only 3rd down we converted the first 3 qrts of the game. If we dont dramatically improve 3rd down passing we are gonna be 0-2 shortly. Maybe we can at least keep it close and be 2-0 in the moral standing. Mind boggling how many "fans" so easily accept pathetic football. That Sea game was there for the taking all damn day. The O had a dozen chances to win that game and came through once.
     
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  12. Fin D

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    Yeah, we should get a QB who wills players open 10 yards down the field, with his mind. The FO is sooooo stupid for not running down to QB-Mart and picking up a new All pro model.
     
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  13. bigballa2102

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    Been saying this for the last few years, there are always plays that you can count as costing you a game, but when its nearly every 3rd and long that becomes a system issue IE QB coaching whatever. I point this solely on THill he has been in the league long enough to understand downs and yardage. he still lacks the inability to stand in the pocket (except the stills throw he stood in nicely) change plays at the line look off receivers and push the ball down field. If anyone blames the D in that game is unbelievably biased to a mediocre offense Miami 11 first downs to Seattle's 21 Miami 25 min of possession and Seattle's 35. you cannot expect a defense to play at a high level all game when the o is only not doing anything, especially with 2 turnovers created by the D. its all on Thill the ball needs to be pushed down the field and he needs to act like a 4th year man, he has been surpassed already by Crab Leg Winston and if you watched Carson Wentz he showed surprise poise and confidence in first game (yes I know it was the browns), but the test will be jimmy grappling hook (garoppolo) who looked like a seasoned vet and if I recall isn't this his 3rd yr and his first start? he looked that good after 3 years and Thill looks like a prom date left on the curb, in the pocket.

    Good Post!!
     
  14. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I put zero stock in Jimmy G, I guess everyone forgot how great Cassell looked that year he started in NE.

    Course, it doesn't hurt to have three years of great coaching and a plug and play system like NE has.
     
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  15. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    If the Dolphins play like they did last week every week from here on out, sans the easy TD drop and blocked FG (Which, to be honest, won't happen often), they will be in the playoffs.
     
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  16. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Truer words have never been spoken.
     
  17. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Not to mention he was still getting knocked around like a rag doll.

    I'm still not impressed with the O-line
     
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  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I think people are conveniently overlooking how bad the oline was again because the narrative this year is "no more excuses for Tannehill."
     
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  19. Fin-O

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    I think the fact we made SEA OL look so bad it made it seemed as if ours wasn't as bad as it actually was. Although i was impressed by the way they played that final drive, Ryan had time to pick the Def apart.
     
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  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    To me it seemed like the play calling was different on that last TD drive. Which was good. It's almost as if Gase (and maybe Tanny) was holding back in order to limit mistakes due to playing against an elite defense. But once the game was on the line he took the leash off. I'm sure that drive instilled confidence in both Gase and Tanny. Hopefully it carries over to next Sunday...
     
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  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Gase said the playcalling changed at the end of the game, and also said Tannehill had been requesting those changes all game long.
     
  22. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Really?...Finally, after 30+ years of playing and watching football I'm finally learning something. haha
     
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  23. jdang307

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    Cassell had a better year in KC in 2010.
     
  24. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can't believe people go around parading their ignore list. That's gotta be internet exclusive behavior.

    The thing that cost us the game was the offense. Even Gase thinks so. Praised the defense mightily.
     
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  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Even Tannehill thinks so.
     
  26. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah I can't agree with those who say the defense lost the game for us.

    They failed to win the game for us, that is true. They had a chance go go above and beyond, and seal the deal. They didn't.

    But that's not the same as losing the game for us. Losing the game is giving up 35 when the offense scored 30.
     
  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    When your offense drives down and scores, giving the defense the lead with 4 minutes to go, you expect your defense to make the stop, not give up two fourth down conversions.

    Yes, the offense left 13 points on the field, so I don't blame the defense, but they have to make a stop at the end of the game.
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No he didn't. Not by the metric of yards, ypa, touchdowns, int %, or rating.

    Why are you saying he had a better year?
     
  29. djphinfan

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    The offense has to score when the defense turns the ball over in their own territory.
     
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  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Absolutely. I agree that the offense didn't get it done...although, I also realize it was Seattle, who probably will have the top defense again this season. But, the defense shouldn't have to have a two score lead late in games so that we can win.
     
  31. roy_miami

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    If you want to win you should. Out of the 11 close games so far this season there have been 11 lead changes late in games (if 5 minutes or under is considered late). I don't know what you think your win probability should be with the lead late in a close game but I bet the real number is way lower. Especially with Miami's defense, which I doubt will be a top 15 unit at season's end.

    Just watching Inside the NFL and this is what Balwin said in the huddle before that last drive: "we got 4 minutes to get this done. We look like we didn't start the game. We have to finish, find a way to finish."

    Reading into that he thought their lack of production prior to that drive had more to do with them than us.
     
  32. Limbo

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    The defense gave up 12 points to a SB contender. It doesn't matter to me that the TD came in the last 5 minutes. Simple probability tells you SEA isn't going to score 6 points in a game. When those points come is almost entirely irrelevant to me. It wasn't like the defense fully collapsed and gave up a 30 second TD drive. SEA had time for a real drive...it just happened to be their last.
     
  33. resnor

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    No, don't do that. You can't absolve the defense. They had multiple opportunities on that last drive to stop them, and they failed. Now, the defense didn't "lose" the game, but they didn't do their job on that last drive either.

    And, on the same token, I don't think people should expect a team with a new coach and a new offense to put up drastically more points than that defense has been allowing for the past 3 seasons...even though they actually left 13 points on the field.

    Stills and Tunsil lost that game for us.
     
  34. cbrad

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    I still disagree with this because of the 10 minute difference in ToP. The offense caused the defense to tire out.

    It's like telling any athlete.. OK, great job! NOW, let me tire you out a ton and see if you can do the same thing! Yes, I'm the one that tired you out more than you should be tired out, but if you don't perform it's all your fault.

    Nah.. offense is getting at least 80% of the fault for that IMO (not 100% so technically they're not completely absolved). If the ToP ended about the same, or if it was clear the ToP difference was more on the defense I'd sing a different tune.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    Over 80 plays for the opponent, that's more than an average game..that means they held the opponent to 12 points in more than a games worth of reps..

    Offense can't be that bad on third down, like they were last year..game goes on the offense and the QB.
     
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  36. Finatik

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    I wanted to beat the crap out of him all game. He was homering for Seattle the entire game. It was like they were blowing us out listening to him.
     
  37. cbrad

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    He was better in 2010 by TD's, INT% and rating, but not by yards, completion % and Y/A:
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CassMa00.htm
     
  38. Fin-O

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    Why does "fault" have to enter the equation?

    We battled one of the best teams in the NFL at their house for 4 qtrs.

    If Stills catches a pass my 3 yr old son can... do we win? Who can say...

    If Jordan Phillips isn't held on 4th and 4 the game is over...if the holding is called its 4th and 14.

    The defense played MUCH better than anyone expected, and the offense was pedestrian most of the game (as expected vs SEA) but came through with a very clutch TD drive.

    No fault or blame needs to be distributed, we did a lot of positive things that I hope stays consistent.


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  39. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Situationally, the defense should bare some blame, but not for the entire loss. They held their end of the bargain as a whole and as usual the offense wasn't able to reward them with long drives for rest and putting points on the board. Those guys get gassed - especially with such a massive disparity in ToP.

    It's just the same sh*t different day.
     
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  40. roy_miami

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    The timeout usage was wishy-washy at best. We wasted a timeout when we shouldn't have and wasted too much time in calling the other timeouts to stop the clock. We should have had as much time or more than the Lions (who also bungled the timeout usage but fortunately for them the colts bungled it even worse) which as they proved was more than enough time to get into field goal range.
     

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