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Things Being Overlooked Immediately After The Seahawks Game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, Sep 12, 2016.

  1. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Things Being Overlooked Immediately After The Seahawks Game

    1) It wasn’t the Defense that held the Seahawks to 12 points that failed in this game. It wasn’t even the new offense, missing Pouncey and Parker, that failed in scoring only 10 points against one of the NFL’s top defenses playing in their home opener. To win this game what we really needed was a BIG day from special teams. Grant scoring a TD, A block or forced fumble leading to a turnover. Winning the FG game. Well, Special Teams was a mixed bag. Had we gotten any one of those things though.. a Grant TD, another FG from our Kicker, or a turnover by a coverage team the Dolphins win this game. And that was more doable than expecting this new offense to beat the Seahawks defense, or for this defense to completely shut-out Russel Wilson in his own house.


    2) If Gase doesn’t go for it on 4th down early, the players don’t REALLY get his culture and mindset. We complain when players don’t ‘buy in’ to a coach’s approach, and the repeated failure to create a new culture here - yet the reason why that usually happens is that what the coach tells the team all week in meeting rooms is not what he actually does on gameday. For example, Philbin would talk all week about being aggressive on offense then kneel down and not try to score (Lazor called out his own boss on that hypocrisy). Players need to see the Head Coach walk their talk on game day. Whether or not going for it on fourth down was the wrong call in terms of the scoreboard, Gase went for it to establish the mindset, culture and buy-in he needs from his players this season. He reiterated this in his post-game press conference when asked about the decision - saying he’d do it again and will be doing it all season, that this is how we play. What may seem like a mistake in the small picture, may be a great move in the big picture.

    3) This was a GOOD outing for this offense, in big picture terms. 10 points today looks like this, in my eyes, by season’s end…
    +2 points per game by end of season as players and QB learn system
    +2 ppg when our starting Center returns
    + 2 ppg when Parker begins playing regularly
    + 4 ppg because we won’t usually be playing one of the NFL’s top defenses
    + 2 ppg not playing in Seattle’s stadium, with 12th man disadvantage
    + 2 ppg how/if/when we get a Tight End actually functioning in this offense.
    = 24 points per game. This is what I think our offense’s avg ppg will be by season’s end.

    Overall, there is reason for optimism.
     
  2. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    We didn't turn the ball over once. That's a good sign.

    I hate it when Tannehill laughs it up on the sideline before the game is over. It's his worst habit, IMO.
     
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  3. dirtylandry

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    we lost and it hurts. I thought maybe that when we were up 10-6 with 4:00 to go we actually would have shocked the world. Miami's lack of pass rush and coverage lost the game at the end. No matter what happened, before, drop td pass, stopped on 4th, or missed fg, we were in position to win the game. So we go back to the film and try to correct that. Yes Run defense and pass rush were improved, just hope the offense can get released soon
     
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  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    The offense on Sunday will not be nearly as conservative as it was this past Sunday. It was conservative this week in Seattle by design. Gase planned for it to be this kind of game.. A lot of 3 and outs.. A few chances at some big plays that we needed to hit on.. And win it in 4th Qtr. Outside of Stills drop.. The game unfolded exactly as he game planned for...

    This is a coach that knows football. He knew exactly how the game would unfold.. And the correct game plan to give us our best shot at winning.. And damned if he didn't almost get it.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, I expect the defense to make plays at the end to stop the other team. Allowing 4th down conversions, two I think?, is unacceptable. I don't blame the defense for the loss, but they certainly didn't step up like you'd expect. 10-6 with 4 minutes to go, make the stop.
     
  6. Shane Falco

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    And nobody is mentioning the idiotic penalty on Wake. That extended the drive and I believe led to points.
     
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  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No, I thought that too, but Brasfin said that drive ended with us forcing a fumble, and then missing our field goal, I believe.

    But it was an idiotic penalty.
     
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  8. Silverphin

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    I didn't catch that, so I have to ask - was it a sincere laugh or one of incredulity?
     
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  9. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think that penalty was really out of character for Wake. He doesn't normally do things like that. I also think that penalty occurred due to frustration against the officials. Wake was being held, and tackled all afternoon with no calls. If you watch that play, he's essentially held and tackled by the RT, he gets up and launches himself into Wilson. Maybe he didn't know the ball was gone, maybe it was frustration at not getting another call.
     
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  10. Shane Falco

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    Wake has been held for years, it's really shameful the refs let it continue.
     
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  11. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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  12. invid

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    The team has to learn how to finish drives and finish games. The 10-13 points left on the field was the main reason we lost, the untimely defense and sorry drive at the end of the game were the nails in the coffin. Stringer mentioned this in the other thread, but I think this receiving corps is severely overrated at this point in time. We don't have that number 1 receiver or tight end to move the chains on a dependable basis, and I don't think you can count on Parker to just come back and take that role over, if ever. This very much felt like the Dolphins' games we've been watching the past couple years, and I'm starting to worry about a stink hanging over this roster's core players (outside of certain players). Nobody can seem to make a play on offense or defense when it's really needed. Very hard to pinpoint and very frustrating to watch these types of games on Sundays.
     
  13. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    He always does it. He'll drive for the go ahead score, then just pal around like the game is won...more like relieved that he did his part.

    It's annoying to me. Him and Phillip Rivers do it. I'm always like, "they're going to score and this knucklehead thinks it's a wrap."
     
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  14. Pandarilla

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    It shows lack of situational awareness to me.
     
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  15. Coloradotrv

    Coloradotrv Well-Known Member

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    So we are going to be upset that our QB enjoys playing the game... Got it.
     
  16. Phins_Fan_87

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    just take a step forward next sunday.
     
  17. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    Very un-wake like. It was like he was doing his best Olivier Vernon impression for a play there.
     
  18. Rock Sexton

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    Wait.

    He "designed" for us to go 3 and out most of the game? Ummmm.....
     
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  19. Stringer Bell

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    Taking all of these things into account, 24ppg is average. So basically if all of these things don't happen, the offense is below average?
     
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  20. resnor

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    Yeah, these are the types of complaints that get me mad. Tannehill lead the team down to score late in the 4th. I'm sure he was happy, and felt good. I'm sure he thought the defense would continue their good play, and stop their drive, so he could go out and kneel out the clock.

    What bad QB.
     
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    Not sure I agree with the other points added, but Seattle gave up 79.6 average rating last year:
    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-average-team-passer-rating

    NFL average last year was 88.4, and Seattle's home field advantage last year was 3.7:
    https://www.boydsbets.com/home-field-advantage-in-the-nfl/

    So 5.1 points is the expected gain in passer rating on neutral turf after playing Seattle.
     
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  22. Tin Indian

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    Yep, Tannehill did what he needed to do on that last drive. Took control, moved the ball downfield and scored. The defense just couldn't close them out.

    Look, that was a defensive game from jump street. Both teams got great play from that side of the ball and while I expected that from Seattle in their house I did not expect that from ours.
     
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  23. Soul Train

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    In addition to the poor third down conversion rate on offense, the other concerning thing from that game was what you said above about the defense. When you shove most of your salary cap into your defensive line, those folks need to win the game in that situation. Otherwise, you're paying for something you aren't getting.
     
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  24. resnor

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    Tannehill should have had a 102 rating on the game.

    And I don't care about averages or other teams drops. LOL
     
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  25. Bpk

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    If we score 24 ppg we will rank 12-14 in league. So yes. If they don't I think we end up below avg barring an extraordinary facotr like Foster or Tannehill having a Pro Bowl season
     
  26. Pandarilla

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    Yeah, it's effing idiotic. It truly annoys me. Premature celebrations only increase the embarrassment of losing.

    He thought the game was in the bag, in Seattle, against Russell Wilson, 4 point lead, 4 minutes to go? He looks stupid to me for it.

    And he played a good game...
     
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  27. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Yep, Ryan Tannehill smiling on the sidelines is definitely the reason we lost this game. I'll tell ya what....A person should not be allowed to love their job...At all! He probably needs to keep that seasoned roofer look all the time, where his face is in a permanent frown from being in the sun all the time. What was he thinking huh? Smiling on the sidelines like that? Sheesh, WTF.
     
  28. Pandarilla

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    How about a top tier sports competitor? Who are you people to attack such a simple concept... Premature celebrations make you look stupid when you wind up losing. Duh.... That's WTF

    Seasoned roofer was pretty funny, though...
     
  29. resnor

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    The crap Tannehill gets around here is unbelievable.

    It's why I find it hard to believe so many people when they say they want him to be successful.
     
  30. BigNastyDB13

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    Lol i thought the same thing when i read that. If so, Gase perfected his game plan and the play-calling makes a lot more sense. I hope the game plan is to score more than 1 td next week. And convert more than 3 1st downs on 3rd down. Maybe even get crazy and game plan for more 4+ play drives than 3 and out drives. Baby steps lmao
     
  31. resnor

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    I think he was saying that playing against an elite defense, any good coach would expect alot of three and outs. The gameplan seemed to be conservative mostly, limit turnovers and mistakes, but take a deep shot if it was there.

    We should have scored at least 20 points, which would be 4 more than the Seahawks gave up last year on average. Kicking the field goal in the first would have allowed us to score 23. I think his gameplan was dead on.

    You guys realize we were playing the Seahawks, right? Right?
     
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  32. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Some of the opinions that are being passed off as common sense altruisms are just ****ing hilarious.

    It's week 1, new coaching staff, schemes, players. Re****inglax.

    There are 16 more weeks to go. Some of you are going to go insane with this ****.
     
  33. roy_miami

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    If every team scored what they "should have" then I would imagine their average points allowed would go up.
     
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  34. Rock Sexton

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    LOL.

    You know how to goes with the "adjusters".
     
  35. Pandarilla

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    I've gone too far, that can happen sometimes...
     
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  36. Redwine4all

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    Whatever the reason, it was just another example of players on losing teams doing stupid things. All players get held, not every player gets the call...you cannot do what Wake did. Same ol, same ol....until next week, at least.
     
  37. Redwine4all

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    Exactly. Win this Sunday, last Sunday won't matter.
     
  38. Redwine4all

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    LOL...right?
     
  39. Redwine4all

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    Right or not, justified or not...this is a QBs league. QBs are judged on W/L. Right now, RT is not a winning QB. He's lost far more than he's won. That is not going to get him a loyal following. As long as hes the starter and we lose, people are going to pick on him smiling on the sideline, and every other thing he does. This comes with the territory of being the starting QB. Success is winning for QBs in this league. It just is. Right now, he's not "successful".
     
  40. Fin D

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    Sigh.
     
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