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Pats Cheating again in the MIA game?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rickysabeast, Sep 21, 2016.

  1. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    I don't want to go Oliver Stone here but let's keep in mind the Tolstoy sized novel of the Pats cheating. I think we'll hear something come out about the game on Sunday. The Pats looked like they flat out knew the plays. Then we had a little whoopsie with T-hill's headset.

    Now we come out after the half and light up the world. Pats couldn't stop us except for the last pass.

    Something happened at half time and it wasn't just a Lombardi like speech. I think the Pats were stealing our frequency.

    Go ahead and call me out as I know you will. But, I can guarantee you it was happening. Too many tech people have said how easy it is especially in your home stadium.
     
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  2. cbrad

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    The headset issue was a dead battery issue. Can't blame that on the Patriots. For the rest I'd need evidence.

    Incidentally, this article about deflategate just came out:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/s...te-new-england-patriots-nfl-science.html?_r=0

    The scientists at Exponent, the firm hired to do the experiments on the footballs, are finally speaking about what they did publicly and they're adamant the case they made holds up to scrutiny (meaning it's unlikely in their minds the environment was the cause). It's an interesting read.
     
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  3. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not buying the battery excuse. I've yet to hear that from a credible source.
     
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  4. cbrad

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    Announcers said it.

    Either way, the headsets were working right after the batteries were changed, according to them. If it was something nefarious like jamming that wouldn't have happened.
     
  5. byroan

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    Especially when you could see Moore on the sideline saying "I can't hear either".
     
  6. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I just take it as a given that the Pats cheat in every game.
     
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  7. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Well unless the Pats have a cheating system that forces players to drop passes I'm going to have to call this a stretch... We came out flat have been doing this for years.
     
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  8. Stringer Bell

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    Under the assumption that they are always cheating.
     
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  9. Shane Falco

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    Of course they did. And Goodell is Kraft's buddy, so nothing is ever going to be done about it.
     
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  10. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Didn't Godell suspend Brady 4 games, and fight tooth and nail to keep that in force? hm...

    I think they're cheating scum just like the rest of us, but lets not get too carried away.
     
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  11. GARDENHEAD

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    Announcers said it?!?!? Really?!?!? You're gonna believe the announcers? Where'd they get the info from? Cmon, let's be a little more discerning here.
     
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  12. cbrad

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    It's the best source we have even if that's not an ideal source.

    Also, read my second point. It doesn't matter what the source is if the issue went away immediately. That is very strong evidence it wasn't jamming.
     
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  13. Two Tacos

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    Jamming is not stealing. My understanding of the original argument is that the difference in performance between the first and second halves is because the faster no huddle prevented the d from adjusting to the intercepted play calls.


    Given the Pats history, not an unreasonable question. I need far more than 1/2 of football as circumstantial evidence though...

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  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I don't think what the OP is saying is ridiculous at all. When the backup QB looks just as good or better than Tom Brady before leaving with injury, you start to understand that New England's success has much more to do with the system than it does the QB. Announcers love to ooh and aaah about how fast the ball comes out. The reason the ball is able to come out so fast is New England knows the defensive play call before the play happens. So they know approximately where to throw the ball on every play. That's why the ball goes very quickly to the open guy on almost every single play. Fans and media alike can continue to praise them, or start to understand that the allegations of cheating are very well deserved. Same on the defensive side of the ball. They knew exactly what Miami was doing on every play. Something happened in the second half. I'd love it if coaches started speaking out more about their suspicious and what they are doing to combat the rampant cheating that takes place in that stadium. I'm convinced it will all come to light soon enough. In the meantime, keep betting on the Patriots, because until they get caught they are pretty much unbeatable. It will be interesting to see how the system works with a 3rd string QB but expect them to still have success due to the amazing advantage they have of knowing the other teams play calls. Consider it like being able to call the exact right defense or offense every time in Tecmo Bowl.
     
  15. cbrad

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    Stealing, as in intercepting the messages through the headsets, can effectively be ruled out. Those things are encrypted. It's questionable whether the NSA given only the signals could decrypt that in real-time (or even given a full year if the encryption is done right).

    So intercepting signals has to be done through means other than the headsets. Not saying it's impossible, but you'd need cameras and people giving real-time interpretation of signals to do that. Or maybe you find a way to get the playbook or something else.. who knows.

    But you can't intercept (and understand) the messages sent to the headsets so regarding the headsets only jamming or taking away the power is possible. In this case the "power" issue as far as we know was a battery. And note that the NFL is responsible for all communication equipment.


    Anyway, the Dolphins don't need to blame others on scant evidence for their woes. We need to get our own act together.
     
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  16. GARDENHEAD

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    Just cause we suck, doesn't mean they don't cheat.
     
  17. Shane Falco

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    It's a documented fact everybody knows that the headsets are always an issue there. It's been that way for years.
     
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  18. brandon27

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    Or the ball came out so quickly because Byron Maxwell was giving 7-8 yard cushions to the WR and any QB in any offense with WR's that are good at short, quick routes in an offense built around them knows that's just like taking candy from a baby. That's probably got a lot to do with that.

    Of course the cheating is well documented, etc, etc. But, again, lets be a bit realistic here. Just watch some of the film from that game. Byron Maxwell is miles off the LOS, and then miles behind the open WR he's chasing. Not because NE was cheating, but because Maxwell was giving up so much field position to the WR. Then watch some of Jelani Jenkins' play from Sunday. Again, no cheating, just bad football from a not so good LB.

    You're going way overboard here IMO. that doesn't mean I disagree with you entirely, but... there's a lot more to what happened in that first half on Sunday than saying.. cheaters!
     
  19. RachelD

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    I dont think we suck but, I do find it fishy that our communication was screwed up coinciding with a lackluster performance. When teams go up there it happens way too often to be coincidental and should really be looked at but we know it wont. The fact that they cheat well.."Allegedly" cheat is disgusting and the fact that the coaches don't call them on their bull**** is disappointing. I remember when we had Saban and we were accused of taping the the audio to help with the pass rush. I always found it weird that Saban was on Belicheck's staff in Cleveland and they probably did some of the same things so i kind of knew where he got the idea from. In the end none of it matters as we need to find a way to put everything together and just get a win and everything will be OK.
     
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  20. Two Tacos

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    All they would need is the key. I looked to see how they were encrypting the signal and didn't find much. I did find that they didn't even go digital untill 2012, and there were reports of getting airline pilots conversations bleeding over prior to that, funny.

    Not knowing how the NFL runs security I cannot say how hard it would be to get the key, most likely it would need a conspiracy bigger and much better run than deflate gate, so pretty unlikely. The NFL did allow the equipment guy to take the checked balls into tbe bathroom alone after checking. One would think their technology security procedures would be better.

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  21. Fin D

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    Anyone else that needs irrefutable proof the Pats are cheating, can I get all your credit card info? I mean there's no irrefutable proof I'll do anything bad with that info.
     
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  22. Bofin

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    Pats home record at Gillette, regular and post season I believe is 28-1, 2013-16. That is pretty staggering. I believe Brady is an excellent qb and bellicheck an excellent coach, but towards the end of the 2nd period i was amazed that every play they ran both offense and defense seemed to work, seemed to be the right play call against whatever the phins were trying to do. That doesn't prove anything, and maybe the dolphins were just that bad.
     
  23. MarinoManiax

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    They always cheat. Every single game. #taintedlegacy
     
  24. shadokp

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    I guess part of this depends on how bad Miami is this year. If they play well and kill the Pats in Miami it does lend itself to something is not quite right with this past game.

    If cheating is suspect wouldn't it be easy just to disguise a few calls on the headsets with fake ones and see if the Pats bite? What is said in the headset? Does Gase say " Deep pass to Parker" or is there a code that the Pats can't figure out?

    Was it Gase going off script that resulted in the change? If so, can other teams go off script or give out false codes in their headsets to see if that works?
     
  25. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    I don't doubt that the Pats cheated. I'm not going to blame their getting up 31-3 on their cheating though.
     
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  26. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Why not? It's really easy to say Miami is an awful team and the Patriots are so great. But that completely ignores the fact that the Patriots are a great team BECAUSE of the cheating. Miami looked terrible because that's what happens when a team knows your playcalls on BOTH sides of the ball!

    Do you guys realize even in the age of dynasties teams have never had the type of prolonged success the Patriots under Belicheat have had? It's statistically impossible to explain how the Patriots remain this good with new players year in year out. But not when you factor in cheating. This team at home has a ridiculous record. If you really watch every play, it's apparent that either they have prescient playcallers or they are cheating.
     
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  27. shadokp

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    I would have to imagine the following happening-

    Tannehill "My headset is not working properly."

    Gase "Tech, what is the problem?"

    Tech "Battery needs replacing - there all set."

    Tannehill "Still not working"

    Tech "Try hitting the reset frequency button."

    Tannehill "Perfect and all that interference is gone as well"

    Belichick (taps special headset) "S**T"
     
  28. brandon27

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    :lol:

    I'm not sure anyone needs irrefutable proof. I think we all know they have been, and assume there's a chance they still may be. We put ourselves in terrible spots though on Sunday, a lot of that blame has to go to our guys (Maxwell... Jenkins) first, then cheating IMO, because those guys were terrible. :lol:
     
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  29. jw3102

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    Obviously you can't guarantee us anything, because you have absolutely no proof. The fact is that it was reported to be a dead battery. The person to blame for the headset issue is the Dolphin staff member responsible for checking to ensure Tannehill had a working battery in his helmet headset.

    Unless that particular Dolphins staff member is a spy for the Patriots, your entire conspiracy theory is 100% false.
     
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  30. Finster

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    What was it, 2 or 3 plays where it was a problem? and we did get the plays in, complete and utter no story here.

    How come no one was crying "play stealing" 2 years ago in the first game of the season, where a very similar story unfolded, Pats dominate first half, and Dolphins come storming back to win in second half in Miami.

    Maybe it was us stealing their signals in the second half?:lol:

    It's not possible to steal signals through the headsets.

    It smells a little bit like sour grapes imo, i understand we lost, but it's time to get over it and move on to next week.

    Just beat the Browns.
     
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  31. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Thought it was just me the first half looked like the Pats knew every play before it was in play. Period.
     
  32. dolphin25

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    How old are you? The Dolphins were that great for that long in the 70's
     
  33. dolphin25

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    it is kinda odd how both QB's batteries went out at the exact same time :)
     
  34. dolphin25

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    I think it would be possible to tap into the frequency? But even if it were possible replacing the batteries would not fix that.

    p.s. your messages are full :)
     
  35. Rock Sexton

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    I can hear the waaaaaaaaaaaaambulence headed this way. LOL
     
  36. Eop05

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    http://nypost.com/2014/10/12/they-are-cheaters-spygate-the-nfl-scandal-that-started-it-all/

     
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  37. resnor

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    Doesn't the NFL control the headsets prior to the game? Further, does anyone think it's not standard practice to put brands new batteries in the headsets prior to each game?
     
  38. Shane Falco

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    I do community theater and we put brand new batteries in our wireless mics before every show. I am quite sure an NFL team will make sure the batteries are new and fresh.

    Not. Buying. It.
     
  39. jeremy2020

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    This sums it up.
     
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  40. Vertical Limit

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    Difference was the second half was garbage time.
     

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