Joe Rose just reported on 560 that Jason Taylor has been fined $8k for missing a weightlifting session this week. WTF? The guy is playing on one foot and is the best player on the team. These morons have to go.
I think its nitpicking at this stage of the season when the season is in the tank and where Cam and Mueller will probably become irrevelant after they get fired. Just another nail on their coffin IMO.
No, it's Cameron and Mueller trying to audition their toughness to Parcells. I think this is the first time I ever heard of someone being fined for missing a weightlifting workout. Usually, they get fined for a practice, but this? lol.. As if Cameron and Mueller didn't already ran the softest training and preseason camp in Dolphins' history. Now they want to be strict? Oh yeah, they know they're gone.
So let me get this straight. You guys think that if a player breaks a team rule (by missing a mandatory workout in this case) he should not face the consequences? And you blame the coaching staff? This happens all the time across the league. Why would Jason Taylor be treated any differently? I wonder if you all would sing the same tune if it was Joey Porter...
Well, if the rule says he can't miss a workout, then I don't know what everybody getting on Cameron for. JT knows the rule and knows the consequence.
Also, as for the PFT quote, most people look perfectly normal walking two months after an ACL replacement. I had one and was out walking normally within a month or so, and I'm not a pro athelete. If I had to guess, Ronnie was walking normally after a week or two.
Rules need to be applied based upon the player and the situation. If a veteran player was playing on one foot and was taking shots to numb the foot just to play they should not be expected to lift weights nor should the be fined for missing a weighlifting session. Further, if that player is your star player, and is the ONLY guy on the team performing at a high level he should also be given greater latitude.
Playing favorites causes animosity among the other players. I'm sure the 8K won't kill him, hell if I was in his position I'd be like 'screw it, best 8k I ever spent'.
Sorry mate, but that's nonsense. There are zillions of weightlifting exercises that put no pressure whatsoever on the (injured) foot - especially for a DE/OLB who works on his upper body and/or arm strength. Quite the contrary: If that player is your star player and leader in the locker room, he should be held to a higher standard than the other players and should be expected to set an example. Based on these information, it's quite impossible to blame either Cameron or Taylor. IF he missed the workout for no good reason, the fine is appropriate. IF he didn't, the fine is absurd. We don't know either way, so it's pretty silly to put the blame on someone.
Cam knows he's not a HC. He never dealt out a fine before and wanted to know how it feels, because after this week he won't have the chance to do it again. Bye Cam.
That is ridiculous and unrealistic. Star players are always given special treatment. It was true of Parcells with LT, Shula with Marino, JJ with the big 3, and Belichick with Brady. Brady recently skipped practice to see his illegitimate child. It is even true of lesser lights in the league today such as Westbrook & Houshmandzadeh who consistently miss practices and yet suit up every Sunday. JT is taking shots just to line up on Sunday. I tore the same muscle that he tore in his foot and was on crutches for a week. Further, all upper body exercises, even the bench press, or the shoulder press, require the feet to be properly planted. I have competed in the bench press and would not have been able to do so with a bad foot. There is no way in hell you fine this guy.
It's a good thing you don't make any of the decisions for the Dolphins. You've competed in bench press?
If you let the "stars" of the team get away with things, it sets a bad tone for the rest of the team. It creates rivalry and divisions, neither of which are good within a team. If he skipped practice for no good reason, and it's a fineable offense, then he should be fined. It's that simple.
Talk about "Nip Picking" ! What a difference one person makes ! First, we heard about players at practice looking around and feeling "nervous" and now this. I would say that this is too little, too late. If this is Cam's last game then he deserves it! He's been too nice to the players since TC begun and throughout the season and everything caught up to him. I do think JT deserves to be fined and I've heard lots stories around the league of players missing practices, etc. getting fined too.
Certainly. But they are never - as long as there's a good HC in place that is - given a free pass. Think Belichik didn't know about Brady skipping practice? Of course he knew. That's what I'm trying to say: If Taylor missed without any excuse, he must be fined. If Taylor went to Cam asking to skip the practice, that's a whole different matter. But we do not know either way, so it makes preciously little sense to put blame on anyone. That's simply not true. There are virtually zillions of exercises that require no pressure on the foot whatsoever. Of course you don't do an old-fashioned bench pressing with an injured foot. But there's a lot of stuff you CAN do (believe me, I know, after having torn a muscle in my foot and undergoing weeks of rehab doing exactly that) Anyway, I'm not saying that JT should be fined. I'm saying that we don't know enough to have an opinion either way. But, since you mentioned Parcells, there's no way Bill would just let his star player skip practice without giving notice and good reason. Parcells would be the first to go to the roof.
Great counter argument. Yes. Here is some good information about foot placement in the bench press: "There is a few reasons for this foot placement the first being the ability to drive hard from your legs without your *** coming up off the bench. The second is stability. The wide stance will provide the base needed to steer heavy weight with a bench shirt on. The actual way you place your feet is also important. We have found that it is best to put the full force of your push onto the balls of your feet but at the same time pressing the heel to the floor. Pushing the heel to the floor can be used as a fine adjustment knob for getting weight to touch your chest with your shirt on. When you push your heel down this will cause your stomach to rise and will allow the bar to touch." http://www.muscleenhancers.com/article47.htm
Course it was. It was a mandatory workout session. That's part of practicing. Funny. I was about to give you the very same advice.
"What was it like to play for a coach like Bill Parcells? Once we were awful in practice. And Bill said, “ I’m not wasting my time! You guys don’t want to be coached, coach yourself.†So Parcells, Bill Belichick and the coaches walked off the field. Phil Simms and I knew how to run practice, so we locked the gates on the coaches. Parcells wanted to get back in. He was screaming, “Unlock this ****ing fence!†And I said, “No, I want to see you climb the fence if you want back in. We don’t need dumb coaches. We can coach ourselves.†Eventually, we let him in." http://www.fhmonline.com/articles-187.asp "It’s not as if Parcells hasn’t treated star athletes differently from the others before. He famously put up with Lawrence Taylor’s off-the-field antics and late arrivals to meetings and practices when Taylor was at his game-changing best with the New York Giants in the 1980s." http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/NFL+Features/2006/question111806.htm Here is what Parcells said directly about the matter when questioned about his unequal treatment of LT: "'A lot of people who question me on the subject think there is supposed to be a standard operating procedure. That's an erroneous premise. There isn't any standard operating procedure. . . . It's not my job to be consistent. It's my job to be right. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE5DE123DF936A15754C0A961948260
I took the liberty to highlight the catch. JT isn't at his game-changing best and the Dolphins are about as far removed from winning a Superbowl than the Toronto Argonauts. There are situations in which you give your best players more rope and there are situations in which you don't. Being 1-13 and playing the worst season of your franchise history isn't the appropriate time to give your star player a free pass. Being 13-1 and going hard for a playoff run is.
There seems little point in any further discussion. Your earlier contention was that: "there's no way Bill would just let his star player skip practice without giving notice and good reason. Parcells would be the first to go to the roof" When it was proven that Parcells not only treated him differently but acknowledged treating players differently you switch to a brand new argument that it all depends upon the team record. If I now go back and show you that Parcells treated LT differently in seasons in which the Giants were not contending for a Super Bowl what will be your next argument?
There wasn't a "brand new argument" to begin with. I've said all along that coaches will certainly treat their star players differently but that it depended on the specific situation. There's a lot of factors which play a role in deciding whether or not to give a guy like JT more rope (the record being one of them). The problem is that you created a strawman instead of arguing against my point. Which is that we don't enough about the incident to jump to any conclusions. You're saying that a player like JT should be getting a free pass to miss workout sessions, period. I'm saying that it depends on the situation and that there's no general way of handling it. Before I call Cam a moron for fining JT, I'd like to know why he exactly he missed practice and whether or not he spoke with Cameron before that. As long as I don't know any of that, I'm holding back my judgement because it would be purely speculative.
Great. Withhold your judgement. Here is what we do know. And it is plenty for me. JT has a torn plantar fascia muscle. Not pulled, torn. JT is our best player. He had to take a shot to play in the last game. Hw could well have sat out that game and no one would have thought the worse of him. He played at a very high level in the last game. He missed a weightlifting session. He was fined $8k. That is enough for me.
$8k, thats peanuts to JT. He propably wanted to hang out by the pool. $8k sheesh thats like $50 bucks for us average folk.
I think Cam did that as his last and only shot he could take at JT because of all the previous rumblings and lack of support JT showed Cam. I think Cam knows he's done and this feels like a little payback in some sort of way.
You really should update your name. Yeesh. I think Cameron's demonstrated pretty clearly throughout his career that he's not a vindictive or short-sighted individual, and there are far better ways to get back at JT than to fine him the athlete equivalent of chump change. I would not be surprised if Bill Parcells, not Cam Cameron, were behind this.
i agree with u 100% if it was any body else on the team nobody would care like u said about Joey Porter
Did you really just post instructions on foot placement for the bench press? Get a grip, man. If I had to guess, 80 to 90 percent of the people on this board a) know how to bench press b) know that it's difficult to bench press and do certain other exercises with a foot injury (or most any leg injury for that matter). I can't believe that you still fail to see why it is Taylor that was in the wrong here, not Cameron, Mueller, Parcells, or anyone else. JT missed a mandatory workout and got fined. He didn't make a big deal out of it or blame anyone else. Why can't you do the same?
At this point in the season, with the way we have performed, it doesn't surprise me that a fine is deemed as ok when a veteran has erred in his ways, especially something that would have been noticed by the younger members of the team. A HC has to send the right message to the veterans on a team that is rebuilding with younger players and through the draft. Half the problem with the world today is that there is no discipline at "Infant and Adolescent level". Jason is a great talent who needs to be handled well. If he is then he is a worldbeater, if not he can be a gobby little toe rag. But without a doubt he is no cancer to this side. I think he just says what he thinks, and on occasion he just goes over the top. It doesn't make him a bad person. I used to think Michael Irvin to be a bad person, but when you listen to him speak, he really doesn't come across that bad. For someone that earns a lot of money, i think that for the most part Jason has his head screwed on. There will always be players that are hated for what they say, but i dont think that JT will be remembered for what he says, moreso for what he done. Just my opinion of course.
I do have to question the validity of this story since it has not been reported by another source. Not questioning the thread originator, but rather Joe Rose. A story as potentially big as this one, would be all over the news by now.
