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Steelers thin Suh kicked Ben

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    The Steelers aren’t happy with what they feel was a dirty play in last week’s game by Dolphins defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh. Per the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Steelers have filed a formal complaint with the NFL and asked the league office to look into Suh intentionally kicking Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in the fourth quarter. The report says Roethlisberger told teammates that Suh kicked him, and Steelers guard David DeCastro said the tape backed up his quarterback’s claim.


    “I don’t know what [Suh] was thinking,” DeCastro said.

    The conversation about Suh’s play and history got Steelers guard Ramon Foster talking about Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict, who’s been involved in dirty plays against the Steelers in the past and was back in the headlines this week for two plays in last week’s Bengals-Patriots game. Foster said the NFL is “absolutely not” doing enough to punish repeat offenders when it comes to player safety.
    “[Burfict] has a known history,” Foster said. “[The Bengals] are going to say he’s getting targeted because of his history. But he’s getting new cases against him. What are [NFL Commissioner] Roger Goodell and [his staff] saying about player safety? They’re not saying anything about it. You have a known repeat offender getting a $75,000 fine when he has a $20 million contract. That [fine] doesn’t matter to him. You fine [Antonio Brown] more for freaking dancing in the end zone than you do when you know for sure that he tried to do that. His history showed he tried to do that.
    “It just wasn’t the instances in that game…Roger Goodell really needs to come off his high horse and do something about that.”

    Foster said he would “live” with Suh’s kick more than he would with plays Burfict has made over the last several seasons. Wednesday, Steelers running back DeAngelo Williams called Burfict “a danger to the game.”
    “Burfict is trying to injure guys,” Foster said. “I still think his celebration on the tackle with Le’Veon Bell [last season] shows he’s trying to injure guys. It changed the whole complexion of that game. It’s on film. They see it. But Goodell doesn’t give a [darn] about that. He’s more worried about the ratings dropping and the owners fattening his pockets. He knows that type of attention brings more viewers for a Cincinnati game.”
     
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  2. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Here's the link with the play...

    http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...cking-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger/

    Clearly, the Steelers are projecting their own dirty culture. Suh clearly extended his leg to gain leverage. The bullies got bullied and are now gonna whine, when Pittsburgh has traditionally been known for dirty play. Whether it's stepping on Ricky Williams' shoulder or going for helmet to helmet hits consistently in the playoffs, these guys take the cake.

    Funny thing is if Suh wasn't being held so bad, he wouldn't have extended his leg...
     
  3. Electric Boogaloo

    Electric Boogaloo Inventor of the question mark

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    I see where they're coming from. It is a kick to the knee. But it was Ben's left knee that was injured and Suh kicks the right, so it's not like he was targeting an injury with an intentional kick. More than anything, it looks like Suh was trying to get momentum behind a right hand uppercut on the ball to force a fumble. All while having his entire left side held in what should have been an easy flag. It's the holding that forces Suh into an off balance lunge with his right side. Mere coincidence that he kicked his knee, IMO.
     
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  4. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It looks like a kick. I really don't see it as intentional. You know how sometimes basketball players will bounce a pass and the defender will instinctively kick at the ball to stop it, even though they know you can't do that. It just happens. This is what I see here. You're battling, and fighting, and clawing your way to the QB, and he's right there and ... you kick him. It happens.

    But it's clearly a kick.

    You don't kick your leg that high to gain leverage. You will go airborne and lose leverage if you kick like that.
     
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  5. GARDENHEAD

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    Looks like an intentional kick to me. Looks dirty to me. But I don't really care, cause its football and it's a dirty party.

    Also, I've never played DT, so I'm not sure what a natural move is and what is not.
     
  6. jdang307

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    Notice how all of his steps are baby steps until the kick and then see how extended he is after the kick. You can't tell me that is a leverage move. I don't see it. He is fully extended after the kick and is vulnerable. I can be wrong, and I'd love to see some other lineman use such an elongated stride for a pass rush.
     
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  7. Bpk

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    Agree. I laughed out loud when I saw it ans thought "Ahhh Suh, you dirty mofo. Nice kick His Royal Nastiness."

    If he is fined, it's justified.

    Hope that's as far as it goes though.

    Seriously, His Royal Nastiness is rubbing off on our whole D line and that's a GOOD thing on a football field. It's part of why we beat the bullies on Sunday.

    I don't like bullying in everyday society, but on a football field during a play it seems to be what wins.
     
  8. Electric Boogaloo

    Electric Boogaloo Inventor of the question mark

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    Watch the arc and timing of his right arm and how it exactly mirrors his right leg. It's a " by any means necessary" effort and he certainly wasn't shy about using his leg to corral him, but it's hard to imagine that it's planned or intentional in the half second that it developed and happened. I doubt his brain to motor skill twitch is that good. Just life in the trenches in my book.
     
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  9. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I've never seen a kicking penalty called. I've seen tripping and leg whip called. Is it illegal to kick someone during a play? I can't find any rule that addresses it.
     
  10. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    He kicked him. And because of his rep will probably get fined.
     
  11. Colmax

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    Yeah, I kind of feel like this might me the case.

    I don't think the kick was intentional, just more of what you said with trying to corral by any means necessary. The kicked simply happened as a result of that.

    At least he didn't kick him while he was down. I'm surprised ole Rapey is making a fuss. He's always lauded as being "tough".

    Such a weird move, though!
     
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  12. KeyFin

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    Kick or no kick...where does the rule book say you can't knock someone down...or even disrupt the quarterback...with your legs? Pittsburgh always gets tons of calls (and no calls) when Salvatore is head ref; he's a Pitt native that doesn't hide his love for the team. So if I'm supposed to feel pity for a flagrant foul (a hold) while a defender is trying to make a legal play, then all I can say is I just don't feel the empathy.
     
  13. MikeHoncho

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    Good. Rapistberger deserves a lot more than a kick.

    How the hell is that not holding?

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  14. MikeHoncho

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    **** that team. I remember that muddy game they hurt Ricky.

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  15. Pandarilla

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    I could see it that way, but the lineman blocking was pulling his pads the opposite way. I could see it as a corral or leg whip type move. It happens so fast, though, that I don't think anyone could say it was premeditated or a conscious decision.
     
  16. Rock Sexton

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    Extending his leg for leverage? You're crazy. That is a full blown kick right to the kneecap. He's not even off-balance, which would suggest some crazy accidental leg whip action. He was literally walking his man back.

    I really expected to open that article and find something tedious - but this is more reason why I don't like the guy and wouldn't flinch if the $100 million void were suspended.
     
  17. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Nah, and the more I look at it, the more I see quick choppy steps leading up to a plant of his left leg followed by a lunge to his right while being held, which precipitates the extension of his right leg. In no way does he kick his kneecap, upper tibia.
     
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  18. Vertical Limit

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    If we had a nickle for every time someone said "i dont know what said Suh was thinking" :lol: o well hes our bad guy.
     
  19. jdang307

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    Suh is a dirty player so you have to accept it. For years he's been known as the dirtiest but now it's Burfict's turn.
     
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  20. Bpk

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  21. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    He kicked him.

    And I applaud his efforts because **** Ben Roesthlisberger.
     
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  22. dirtylandry

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    It is Suh, of course it is a kick. That is who he has been all of his career. I love it


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  23. MikeHoncho

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    Ah yes the Bob Loblaw Law Blog


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  24. firedan

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    The Steelers know a cheap shot when they see it,they have perfected them over the years.
     
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  25. Tin Indian

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    Meh. He kicked him. I don't have any doubt. Do I care? Nope. I like the linemen on both sides of the ball mean and nasty. That's part of what makes a good linemen and why I liked Richie Incognito so much.
     
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  26. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    at worst that is a tripping penalty, a non issue really.
     
  27. JDelenne

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    Too bad he didn't kick him harder.
     
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  28. DW2

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    Sure he tried to trip him. So what. DB's try to trip WR's up all the time. Non-issue. I am super impressed that he put the OLineman in the AIR!!!!!! I mean, did you see that??!!!! Now that's strength and that's why he is doubled and tripled.
     
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  29. Galant

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    [video=twitter;789457931565662209]https://twitter.com/gunnerhal/status/789457931565662209[/video]
     
  30. dolphin25

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    in that still shot it looks like he is running to get to the QB.
     
  31. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i doubt suh or any dolphin fan will lose sleep over a fine.
     
  32. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    Exactly this.

    Just because it's Suh, everyone is going to claim it was an atrociously dirty 'Kick'.

    If you just watch the play live time (not slowed), it actually looks like Ben is going to step up past Suh and possibly run the ball and Suh does throw his leg out in desperation to stop him. ie. the definition of a routine tripping penalty for players not named Suh.
     
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  33. Clark Kent

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    This is what I love about Suh. His dirty play is always questionable because he disguises it well.
     
  34. FasanoPaisano

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    Blatant holding is the only option when single-blocking Suh ..... and it literally looks like Suh is trying to trip him, not kick him ... trip him, because his legs are the only thing he could use to take Fatburger down ... due to being blatantly held

    And speaking of officiating in that game, I literally felt at one point that the officials were gathering for a discussion for how they could undo anything Miami succeeded at doing. I was half expecting them to reward one of Miami's touchdown points to Pittsburgh after an intense huddling: "Is there any way we can give these points to Pittsburgh?" "Let me think...." :confused2:
     
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  35. vt_dolfan

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    Yawn.
     
  36. Mcduffie81

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    This is exactly what I saw. His arm AND leg go up at the same time. He is using his whole body to break free from the hold and get a hold of the rapeist.
     
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  37. Fame

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    Suh better be careful not to run into Ben in the bathroom anytime soon.
     
  38. slickj101

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    One of the dirtiest teams out there crying about **** they've done plenty of.

    **** them.
     
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  39. danmarino

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  40. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Some are cheering this kind of nonsense on .......... until he finally gets another suspension.
     

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