lol, the rewriting of history begins. i guess everyone is now accepting that tannehill is a franchise QB when given the minimal tools needed to succeed
They still make the playoff if they win out...although I'm not sure they have a good enough offense to beat Michigan.
It wasn't an issue even though every coach of his, including Tanny himself, acknowledged it was an issue. Got it. The good news is, the Dolphins have finally figured out/been able to win some games without having to rely on Tannehill.
Pump the brakes my man. It's been two games and it's funny how 200 yards rushing per game, and 8.2 ypc, and then 7.4 ypc, is all of a sudden "minimal tools." Ajayi had more yards than Tanny had passing. Tanny has done well as a game manager not turning the ball over. Which is normally the case but there were too many INTs earlier this year. He's now cut down the turnovers, and they haven't asked him to do much in the air. That TD to Stills ... man I hope that was a planned underthrow because it was a terrible pass if not.
I'm pretty confident in saying it was underthrown on purpose considering there were two defenders in position further downfield and Tannehill lobbed the ball out there. He trusted Stills to come back to it and make a play and he did. Not to mention his deep ball accuracy has been stellar this year. Either way, dissecting every little thing Ryan does is getting old. He threw the ball down the sideline trusting the receiver would make a play. He did. Nail in the coffin.
You don't know that. That's the point. If he did, good on them. If he didn't, it was a bad throw. Pretty simple. I have to go back and rewatch it, didn't he under throw Stills in the 3rd as well?
What? I'm pretty sure when a quarterback throws a deep ball to a covered receiver he's expecting the receiver to win the battle and make a play. He wasn't open. He didn't have a step on the corner. They were side by side and the safety was coming over too. So he threw the ball short and hoped Stills would adjust to it. Maybe I'm wrong and he didn't underthrow him on purpose, but either way Stills would have had to win the battle since he was never open. And yes, he did underthrow Stills earlier in the game but Stills had his man beat on that play. On the touchdown he didn't have his man beat so Ryan threw it up and trusted him to adjust and win. That's just how I see it.
[video=twitter;790308932740784128]https://twitter.com/ericelizondo8/status/790308932740784128[/video] Again, maybe I'm wrong, but based on the position of the two defenders and the touch of the pass, I'm assuming he purposely underthrew that ball. The corner has his back turned and the safety is coming over. He gave Stills a chance to cut under and make a play. That's just the way I see it though.
Didn't catch Tannehill's post game PC, but saw something on twitter that suggested he mentioned it was underthrown on purpose.
This is crazy. OF COURSE not being able to get the Wallace/Tannehill connection on track was an issue, no one said it wasn't. Tannehill's deep ball has always been serviceable. To recap: Tannehill was good on deep balls with Hartline. Tannehill has been good on deep balls with Parker/Landry/Stills. Tannehill was not good on deep balls with Wallace. Yet the narrative is that Tannehill threw a bad deep ball. The naysayers continue to ignore all the faults of Wallace that contributed to being a poor fit with Tannehill. I'm done discussing Wallace.
This is interesting to read. I always hated Wallace's route-running. So that explanation jives from the standpoint that Wallace just isn't a timing-oriented WR. I think that's easy to believe based on what we all saw. But the question is why Tannehill seems to struggle so much with these supposed "sight" or "non-timing" throws and how much of a detriment that is. He was always off when throwing deep to Wallace and even now with Stills, it's kind of a crap shoot. Sometimes it's beautiful and sometimes it's over- or -under thrown. He's hit it a couple times (i.e. vs SEA where Stills dropped it and vs CIN where Stills caught it) but he's also missed it several times as well, sometimes long and sometimes short. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it just seems like the more he has to lead someone the more it's a toss up as to whether it'll be catch-able or not. I don't exactly think of Tannehill as a super-accurate QB. He throws high/low to TEs and RBs all the time and struggles to consistently put it where it needs to be on quick slants. I think it goes back to him just not throwing with a ton of anticipation. It seems to me that even if you can come up with an explanation for why Tannehill is this way, it's still a limitation you have to acknowledge and potentially play around which (I think) is why the team drafted players like DeVante Parker and Leonte Carroo. If I was giving Tannehill weapons, I wouldn't be giving him smaller, faster guys like Wallace and Stills. It's just going to put too much pressure on an area of his passing where he tends to be somewhat inconsistent. As Resnor keenly points out, it was mostly Wallace where this inaccuracy became a problem. But to me, it would be a mistake to therefore "blame" Wallace. I think it works both ways. I wanted more effort and consistency from Wallace but I think he also exposed a weakness of Tannehill. And it's that weakness that makes us all cross our fingers when a deep ball goes up. We're really not sure whether it'll be underthrown (i.e. vs the Bills yesterday) or whether it'll be laid out there really well. It's just something where Tannehill seems to be inconsistent. How much of a detriment it really is, well, that's for others to decide. It seems to me that hitting guys in stride deep downfield is sort of required to really punish a defense. So I agree with Gase that Tannehill's better than reported. But I still don't think he's necessarily good at it. He's not exactly the type of QB that can tear a weak secondary apart. Didn't we sort of establish that with the YAC conversations way back when? Just my take.
WADR, I think you need to look up what deep passing completion averages are. They are generally below 50%. He's not struggling with Stills. These are, by nature, low percentage passes. We have a VERY over exaggerated concept of these types of throws and the regularity with which they are completed. The line is blocking well and his deep passes are working more. We have receivers that are good at running routes and don't have a tiny catch radius...and his deep passes are working more. A number of us have been saying this for years and its literally happening. Tannehill is not perfect. However, of the 53 players on the roster, he's probably like 50th in terms of problems or holding us back.
I'm aware of the low percentage aspect and in one respect you're right, we scrutinize too much. But responses like yours (i.e. he's not the biggest problem on the team) are also a way to duck the particular question(s) being raised which ask whether his struggles are the same as better passers. I don't think that's ever been answered.
The thing is, Greg, if Tannehill isn't as good at a deep ball as say, Rodgers, last season or the season before, does that mean he's not good? I say "No." However, the deep ball "struggles" were another thing people pointed to as a reason why Tannehill was no good. So, certain plays were blown out of proportion in order to prop up certain people's narrative. Then, when FinD, myself, and a couple others, pointed out Wallace's shortcomings, and his struggles, even his last year in Pitt, when they went timing based, the usual people ignored those posts, and accused us of making excuses. Oh yeah, they also began redefining "deep ball" to mean anything from 50-75 yards in the air.
It has been answered numerous times. WADR, you're not the first person to make these points. Thill is not and has not been worse at deep ball completions than most other QBs (other than when dealing with Wallace's small catch radius and ****ty route running). I'm also not ducking anything. Once again (like in your long post about Thill and the oline), you're acknowledging that the information your making your judgments on is incomplete but you still make a definitive judgement. I don't subscribe to that way of looking at anything, because frankly, I find it worse/more dangerous than having an opinion based on no info. Especially when most people won't admit when they are wrong.
Anticipation is exactly why he misses those types of throws. He's much better at throwing to spots. He screwed the pooch on that play to Stills Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
How many times have you blamed tannehill for throwing to a spot or throwing an interception only to learn that the receiver ran the wrong route. How do you know he isn't throwing where he is supposed to and the receivers are running wrong routes. Gase was complaining about just that early this season.seems to me you are just guessing and assuming the negative when in reality you don't know
Well the good news is having a Mike Wallace on your roster is a rare thing, he has 55 TDs for a reason. I like Ryan in the role he is in now, game manager. He actually is pretty good at that...even made some plays on 3rd downs and late in the game which has plagued him his whole career. My question is, what's going to happen in the games the run offense isn't performing like the best run off in football? What's going to happen when we NEED him? TBD Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I guess I would just say that what I'm discussing is not a Wallace thing. Tannehill doesn't strike me as a particularly accurate QB in general. To my eyes, his placement is sloppy on short stuff and the "deep" stuff is just an extension of it. Placing the ball doesn't seem like Tannehill's strength. I just think NFL standards are slight beyond Tannehill. He seems average in terms of touch and accuracy. Maybe I'm too harsh. I just wish I had more confidence when he puts it up. I just dont. It's gonna take a year or two of really good throws for me to believe. That's all. I just can't say I've ever really seen Tannehill carve anyone up. He's had clean games but that's different.
Oh, I think you're gonna be .500 in those games at best. I think we know that. I just don't think there's much, if anything, we can point to.
Some of us have been begging for the offense to get more run focused for a long time, especially if they plan to legitimate compete with Tanny at QB. Him dropping back to pass 35+ times a game is not a recipe for success. That O-line and Ajayi may have really turned the corner. They've got my attention that's for sure.
That was a beautiful 3rd down pickup by Tannehill. Didn't even need to turn his head to see the rush coming, he just felt it.
The throw to Stills wasn't all that bad. Stills had to slow down a little, but it looked to me like he was trying to catch it with his body. If he had extended his arms he would have had a better chance. Saying that he "screwed the pooch" is hyperbole. However, he did screw the pooch when he was rolling out to his right and had a wide open Gray on the sideline and overthrew him by about 72 yards. (That's also hyperbole being that it was "only" by about 5 yards.) Still pretty awful throw though.
LOLOLOLOL! If you are serious about this on that play to Stills then I can't help you. This is not some ground breaking claim I'm making...its common sense.
He was good yesterday, but some of you are acting like his play has been very good. It hasn't...he has played within the system, made some nice plays..missed some nice plays.
Not really. Its hard to beat a defense by 3-4 yards....Stills did that..then had to slow way down and comeback to a POOR throw. Ryan was solid yesterday but he missed some big play oppurtunities.
When we ***** about Ryan Tannehill. Just remember a playoff team gave this dude a $72 mil contract. Good QBs are hard to come by. [video=youtube;86VmhE7c3nM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86VmhE7c3nM&feature=youtu.be[/video]
My response wasn't about the stills throw. It was about you making up a claim that he doesn't anticipate routes. Aqua4ever does reviews every week and has stated that receivers are running incorrect routes. Gase in his pressers has said that receivers are running incorrect routes even pointing out one of the ints in the Cleveland game that all you guys were crying what a horrible throw it was was actually an incorrect route that Ryan threw anticipating the receiver would run the correct route. I'm pointing out how full of **** some of your opinions are Now hopefully its just receivers learning the new system and we'll start seeing some more timing routes being implemented
Ummmm... For starters my post was specifically discussing the underthrown pass to Stills and how it reminded me of the issues that were frustrating when Mike Wallace was a Dolphin beating CB's by 3-4 yards only to watch a pass fall short. Remember Alen1? He did the leg work on showing Ryan's anticipation issues a couple years ago, this isn't just something I'm making up based on his play to Stills, it is something that has been discussed and for good reason. I have no doubt the WRs have ran wrong routes in the past, but it's also hard to believe that they have been doing it consistently for 5 years. The QB has his flaws, I know hearing that is like nails on a chalkboard for you but it is reality. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Oh what his rookie year he had anticipation problems or the first year of lazor's new offense? Lol. My god he couldn't get on the same page with his receivers in those circumstances. This is obvious a lifetime flaw!!! Lol
Why am I discussing a reasonable topic (Ryan strengths and weaknesses) with a few guys who have NO CLUE how to be objective? This is my fault...im the moron for thinking people who dont get it will get that they dont get it. Carry on.
Yes, because if someone disagrees with your statement they're not reasonable? Reasonable people actually look at multiple angles of something, and consider what others have to say.
