Dude u said Gerald Mccoy is better, and I've heard Gerald Mccoy say Suh is the best DT in this league. Suh is not over rated at all and he doesn't struggle in the run game like you've claimed, u just like to pretend to know what u are talking about just like with Ryan Tannehill. U don't know jack shiit about football like a lot of the fools on this website, I'm done.
True true, just sad how many ridiculously negative things have been said about dolphins players on this DOLPHINS website smh. Philbin was always the primary problem.
Anyone who thinks Ryan hasn't evolved at the QB position really shouldn't bother tuning in on Sundays because they have no idea what are you watching. Instead of giving the man props for his improvement under Gase, we got folks claiming he's been the same guy for years. Why? Because all they care about is thinking they one an argument....high school chick type stuff. But hey.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You hope every player evolves and Tannehill has gotten a little bit better each season, but far and away the biggest change now has been the team around him, including the coaching (and it's not even close). From after his rookie year he's always been an above average QB. If you were here claiming he wasn't, you were wrong. Most people can't get past the results. They focus on stats and blame it all on the QB. They can't see that Tannehill was doing many of the same things he's being lauded for now but the team around him was failing him so the results were average. If you were calling everybody who kept saying that the issue was not the QB, homer's and excuse makers, you were wrong. Move on and find something real to ***** about.
Totally disagree with everything except the 1st sentence. When people blamed Tannehill, say for his lack of pocket presence, that was because they watched the games and saw him stand back there and take sacks when he shouldn't have. Or because he didn't move in the pocket to create space and time. Literally no one just looked at stats and was blind to what they were seeing in the game (doesn't matter how many times you repeat that falsehood.. it's simply not true). And people who criticized Tannehill aren't or weren't necessarily wrong just because they/we underestimated what Gase was capable of doing with Tannehill. Tannehill in the SF or SD game, put in the same situations we saw him play mediocre in previous seasons, would have played a ton better. The guy has improved. And yes you're right it's mostly because of Gase, but that doesn't mean the assessments before were wrong (except for what a coach could do with him).
He is definitely evolving. You can see it in his feet, going thru progressions, and most importantly "anticipation" out there. For the previous four years he relied too heavily on his arm strength to make up for his lack of cerebral diagnosis and overall "feel" back there. Serious props to Adam Gase, who I doubted ..... he clearly knows how to coach up a QB. Before, you'd get the "flashes", but Tanny would always revert back to his averages. Now he's producing consistently. Furthermore, with the arrival of DVP and the Jay-Train he's no longer a square peg in a round hole as far as how much of the offense falls on squarely on his shoulders.
LOL. Critics underestimated how bad the coaching was, how bad the line was, how much catastrophic failure on the OL affects a QB's pocket presence, how it impacts his stats, how good Tannehill was, etc. Other than that they weren't wrong about anything.
Just like you "underestimated" Tannehill's role in his own struggles, not to mention the synergies that exist between them and how well the rest of the players around him perform.
Ok fine. Here's the logic problem you've created for yourself though.... Since we've been right all along, about consistently pointing out that all Thill needed was a decent oline, a commitment to the running game and being able to audible, then..... Either you guys were wrong this whole damn time OR Its a huge coincidence that we said Thill play this good if he got those things.... Those are the only options here.
If Tannehill ends up proving me wrong, it'll be because I didn't think a coach could raise his play to that level. Doesn't mean I was wrong about the influence of the OL or the running game on QB play. We've seen Tannehill play mediocre before even with decent protection. In any case.. nothing wrong with different opinions. Hope this post was also entertaining for you resnor
Not really. We kept saying that if the coaching improved and the OL was at least competent that Tannehill would produce at a +100 rating. That was what he produced, on average every time he had the unicorn line over the last couple of seasons and it's what's happening again now. But we're supposed to believe that that wasn't a factor. It's that Tannehill sucked before, but now he's great. LOL
I haven't seen the evidence you were right about this. IF Tannehill proves me wrong it'll be the coaching only where I was wrong. The rest? Who knows.. I can use the same data to argue both points.
No evidence? WTF? Of course you can use the same data to argue something different.....of course you can....kinda my point about your stance this whole time, actually...
What I mean is.. Gase had to dial back the audibling before Tannehill got better, so why include audibling in there. As stated before Tannehill never played this well even when he had decent protection. Yes with a good running game and OL your chances of winning the game go up, but never did I see Tannehill play this well before. Like I said I could argue both ways for those other components. The one thing I won't argue is Gase's influence. He seems to have not just Tannehill but a bunch of players playing with high intensity and smarter too. Anyway.. that's where I stand whether you like it or not.
You don't believe competent coaching improves the oline play? Like, when we've pointed out how NE coaching allows for interchangeable lineman all the time? You don't believe improved line play from improved coaching would also lead to improved QB play?
You actually said several times Suh wasn't even top 10. That's a comically false statement regardless of the year.
Didn't Gase have to dial back the audibling because other offensive players didn't have enough grasp of the playbooks to execute? I didn't think it was because of Tannehill...
He has two 100+ rating games this year, which have come during the streak. He's not producing them every single game. Hard to have a conversation when you're referencing .01% out there claiming he sucks. Alas, what are we talking about right now? Has his career trajectory completely changed course in 6 games? For all you know, he could **** the bed down the stretch and castrate this whole conversation.
That's wrong, and no, I don't like it. I also don;t like it when people can't admit when they were wrong.
I'm distinguishing between effect of coaching (which includes everything you mentioned) vs. the effect of better players on OL. If you can prove it had nothing to do with Tannehill that would definitely change my mind about the audibling issue.
Why are you trying to distinguish between the two? The last several seasons he had crappy players and bad coaching. This season, even with starters injured, he has beget players AND much better coaching. So, while I'm sure Tannehill has improved, the players and coaching have also improved, and that is reflective in how Tannehill looks.
I don't think you can easily make the case that the talent on paper last several seasons was significantly worse than this season. To me it looks like we finally have a coach that knows how to motivate and use the players (though it's still a bit of a mystery to me why the play calling is sometimes so bad). The game against SF where so many key OL starters were out.. Tannehill played better than he almost ever did before even when Pouncey, Albert and James were healthy. No, I don't think it's the players as much as the coach.
I said "average" and in fact Tannehill had a +100 average rating in the 11 games that the unicorn line had played together prior to this season and has a +100 average rating during the streak this season. Now the line is injured so he could **** the bed as some of his critics may be hoping, but it's pretty obvious that when Tannehill gets decent protection (not great, just decent) he's produced elite level numbers.
"You actually said several times Suh wasn't even top 10 a while ago" I defy you to prove that statement, I said he was one of the best in the league, but not top 3, I was and am of the opinion that he is overrated because people say he's the best, especially when we signed him, he is not. I said that as many times as you said "RT sucks".
You said multiple times he wasn't even top 10 and a lot of people thought it was a joke then, too. You named "9 or 10 DTs" you "would take over Suh" and it was hilarious because half of them weren't even remotely better than him (at the time or in general). But yeah I just pulled that out of my *** and it never happened because i'm not going to weed through almost 2 years of quotes.
so let me get this straight.......those of us who defended tannehill for the last few years, said he was a franchise QB that just needed to have a decent oline, decent coaching and a receiver or two to throw too were wrong because when we said it he sucked. Conversely, the Tannehill critics who watched every one of their criticisms of tanehill's game wither away over the years were right because he sucked back then and its only becuase of Gase that he's playing well...... **** me, I gotta start doing drugs again
Unless you're Fin-O, who's arguing that it's only Tannehill who's playing better this year, and us "defenders" are actually ****ting on Tannehill by saying other players/coaches improved, and this allowed Tannehill to further improve.
I don't have a link, but I distinctly remember Gase himself saying they had to dial back that stuff because the result was Tannehill having to direct everybody in where to position, therefore giving up the advantage of it. The offense in general, except Tannehill, couldn't handle it.
Whatever, what you're saying is completely false, I never said any of those things, I said 4 or 5, not 9 or 10, that is total BS, and yes, you absolutely did pull it out of your ***.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about the numbers, but either way I specifically remember multiple threads of you having this same opinion about Suh and a good handful of "DTs that are better than him" and pretty much the majority of the board disagreed with you, rightfully so. Even your buddy cbrad said you had "zero football knowledge" due to your numerous ridiculous Suh comments back then in one of those threads. Funny stuff. I mean bro you said Signing Suh to his contract is the "BIGGEST MISTAKE a team could EVER MAKE".... But you're also someone who said Moore is better than Tannehill, so it is what it is. We're all wrong sometimes. I value a lot of posters opinions here and they are the reason I continue to come back to this site, However every once in a while i'll read some opinions that are so absolutely ridiculous and mind-numbing they stick with me and it just devalues the posters opinions to me from that point. I don't really block people but I just remember names and things they say.
