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Deceiving Stats with Baltimore

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Nov 28, 2016.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    They have the overall #2 defense, 7th in passing and #1 in rushing. However, the Cowboys and Giants have scorched them in the past month.Giants passed for 400 yards, and ran for 38.
    Cowboys had 417 total yards, 300 passing. The formula is simple. We have to get back a lineman or two. We have to get Parker back. And spread it open and let Tannehill do his thing. I am not saying abandon the run, but the Ravens are vulnerable against the pass
     
  2. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yes, they are a defensive team, they aren't passing the ball well and they're one of the worst running teams in the league and yet they are 9th in ToP and are 6-5, so yeah, they are a defensive team, lol, you've got to have a damn good D to have ToP like that while not being able to run the ball.
     
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  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'm very confused so I looked it up and made a graphic with my uber Microsoft Paint skills-

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    It looks like their offense isn't that good but their defense is legit. Then again, they beat us in every stat except for our rushing on offense and our pass defense.
     
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  4. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Nice uber painting Key!

    Please tell me your not an uber driver...

    jk
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  5. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    LOL, nope...no taxi driver driving for me.

    Microsoft Paint is a state-of the-art 1980's image editing program that is still included in modern versions of Windows for some reason. Old school nerds like me still use it for making a quick walk-thru or something similar, while everyone with any common sense would use Photoshop and make a graphic 1,000x neater. But Paint is easy so it's my weapon of choice. =)
     
  6. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I think it's safe to say, though, that both of those offenses are a little more dynamic than Miami's. Eli always seems to heat up down the stretch. I'd take him over just about any QB in the playoffs.

    I like Miami's chances, nonetheless. Tannehill has to use his legs in the pocket. I just hope he doesn't have one of those moments. It seems like once or twice a game, you ask yourself, "Wtf was he doing there?".
     
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  7. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Hey, if it gets the job done...

    I did burst out laughing though reading the first line of the paragraph, "state-of the-art 1980's image editing program", but please don't get me wrong, I'm not making fun or anything, it's just those words together make me laugh, "state-of the-art 1980's image editing program", lol, I did it again.

    I do remember when it came out, it was big medicine in the cyber world, everyone in computers was very excited when they came out with that.
     
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  8. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I agree, although, we have the framework too, if we can get a lineman back or two and Parker. Dallas has been fortunate they have had no real injuries on that line AND and depth
     
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  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    The Ravens gave up just 118 yards to Dallas, who have the best OL and best run game in the NFL. That's hardly something to be ashamed of.
     
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  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I think at one point they had some injuries on the defensive side of the ball. Don't know if they're fully healthy or not but that could explain the offensive explosions for a few weeks
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I do not think it is deceiving at all. Shows how great the defense is when firing on all cylinders.
     
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  12. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    In a lot of ways, this is our toughest game left on the schedule...and we may well lose this contest. But I think the one redeeming thing is that our stats flat out lie and it is impossible to game-plan for our offense at this point since it changes weekly. After all, do you-

    - Play in tight coverage to shut down Landry?
    - Crash the gaps to stop Ajayi
    - Play zone with two safeties over the top to negate Parker/Stills?
    - Blitz often to keep Tannehill off-balance?

    That's a lot to ask a team to prepare for in 3-4 days total, which I think is a big reason we are still winning. There are just so many ways we can burn a defense and if Parker's healthy, I don't think he's coverable at this point in his career. It all comes down to Gase making the proper calls and exploiting the mis-matches...which has really been the story of the game all 11 weeks.
     
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  13. Limbo

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    Baltimore tends to win these ugly, fluke-y looking games. Very aggressive on defense, especially at home. Their front-7 is excellent, have to stay on-schedule for manageable 3rd downs, which we've been doing. On offense they rely on hitting a few big plays (including Pass Interference on deep balls...it's uncanny how they draw those penalties). But they're wildly inconsistent in terms of putting drives and first downs together. Flacco is erratic and the run game has been awful. I like our chances a lot.
     
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  14. DolPhinPhan7

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    Rams Defence was legit too, ditto with the Jets. Hopefully getting one or two of the Linemen back will help the offence compared to that game against the Rams.

    I hope Parker is back and healthy.
     
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  15. iamtiv

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    I like how Miami really started using misdirection this week. I had been calling for it even when Ajayi was running well. We'd run the stretch plays and we'd get so predictable that teams were just loading up the side we ran towards. If you go misdirection from that than you have a positive imbalance of your guys on one side of center moving away from where most of the defense is.
    Now that we've shown that for 2 weeks, especially this last week, we can really create uncertainty on where the ball is going on any given play.
    The announcer was saying that Tannehill keeps holding the ball on the read-option to diminishing returns. That's OK, because now the defense doesn't know where the ball is going and if they lean towards Tannehill keeping it, the RB will have better holes when Tannehill hands it off, which is the preferable scenario anyway.
    The game Sunday had so many 'teachable moments' for our team and you're way ahead whenever you can win a game with so many 'teachable moments', especially on defense.

    One thing to add, though, about San Fran's run defense: I think they accrued those awful stats with Glenn Dorsey out of the lineup. He played against us and I think that immediately made the stats coming in irrelevant. I'd shudder to think how our run defense would look without Suh.
    I think the more Miami can create confusion in Baltimore's defense about where Tannehill is going to throw from, the better off we're gonna be. Without our horses, we can't just stand there and go 'mano y mano', so to speak. I'd love to see Drake get more opportunities in this game. Exploiting mismatches will be our only chance to win.
     
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  16. iamtiv

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    It is frustrating that every time we play Baltimore we're somehow shorthanded. I'd have love to have played them when we had the 'A-train' in full effect.
     
  17. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    You know what's funny on that option deal you mentioned? I thought about that during the game and wondered if those were simply set ups for this Baltimore game. I mean, a few of those were just ugly, but they kept running it even when it was ineffective.

    It'll be interesting to see if this is the case.
     
  18. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I hope they stop with that, RT is gonna get killed they keep doing that, like the announcer said in the game, you can't just throw that in, you either run that type of offense or you don't, because it takes so much synching between the RB and the QB, they have to put in massive reps to get that down.

    RT looked pretty clueless on those plays and got smashed running them.
     
  19. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    That is true, but we barely escaped those games, it took a Drake return to beat the steJ, and the Ravens D is much better than theirs.
     
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  20. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I was focused on the pass
     
  21. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    It was something they were trying for a reason. There's a pass coming out of that, if I had to bet. Just hope it's once and hope it's for a big play, because, you're right, Tanny will get rocked.
     
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  22. Unlucky 13

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    Yeah, I have to think that they were either trying to set something up, or they saw something in what SF was doing that they thought they could exploit for a big play. Those runs by RT right into SF tacklers pretty much killed two different drives, and one of them started in terrific field position. I have to think that a more traditional set of play calls would have been much more effective if there wasn't something bigger up Gase's sleeve.
     
  23. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    That was 118 rushing yards though and on 30 carries. Ravens gave up 300+ yards and 3 TDs passing and atotal of 417 total yards to Dallas' offense.

    ST for both teams only had 3 drives start inside their own 25. Out ST has put us in bad starting situations most of the season. Hope that's not the case come Sunday.
     
  24. bigballa2102

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    Baltimore has the same defensive scheme they always have they over pressure and send 7-9 guys to line on rushing downs, I think a good compliment of ajayi and Williams/drake split back would throw them off wont happen but id like to see it, alotta miss directions and counters will help a lot, I read someone say they held dallas to 118, dallas running game is really simply of dives and sweeps and when those get stymied they really have nothing else to go to because the normal plays work, and we def don't have the line to keep it that simple and be productive so we need to keep them off guard and use a lot of hurry up get them tired and over pursuing and we got them. we are 2-6 in the last 8 meetings against the ravens there defense has changed personnel but the scheme really hasn't. I think this will be a good test but im very unsure Rt can distinguish blitz and audible, if any game he needs it, it will be sunday and he hasn't shown any signs of doing it.
     
  25. Unlucky 13

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    Well, my point was simply that Baltimore is very tough vs opponents ground game. Dallas is excellent at running the ball, and thats all they were able to get. So, I wouldn't recommend that anyone go into this week, no matter who lines up on the OL, expecting us to run wild. Hopefully, we can do enough to move the chains and keep them honest while RT & Co. move the ball as best we can through the air, where they're somewhat more vulnerable.
     
  26. KeyFin

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    That's the scenario where Ajayi has had his biggest games. If you stack in the box and Albert/Tunsil makes a crease, he's gone. It's just a question if we will stick to the run until it happens.
     
  27. Unlucky 13

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    Their LBs are playing excellently though. Everyone knows about Suggs and Mosley, but their other starter at MLB is Zach Orr, whos getting his first opprotunity this season and running with it. Double digit tackles almost every week. Eric Weddle at SS is a thumper as well.
     
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  28. dolphin25

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    BUT, both of those guys are out for this game.
     
  29. Unlucky 13

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    Both practiced today, and could very well play Sunday. Too early to say either way. Pouncey is out though.
     
  30. Mrtree

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    I think Tunsil and Albert will most likely play. Pouncey not so much.
     

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